Chappie Vs Ex machina - Chappie (2015) Discussion

[–] donpadilla 10 years ago

I made a similar thread. I liked Chappie better as well. It was a fun and entertaining movie. I didn't think Ex Machina was that entertaining as a movie.

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[–] thepotatoHasEyes 10 years ago

Both good movies , but i loved chappie , while i just enjoyed ExMachina... I have watched chappie four times now.... ex machina , i couldnt get through the second viewing. maybe later.... chappie 9/10 ex machina 4.5/10

NOW JUST START THE MOVIE

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[–] Silver_Centurion 10 years ago

Same here, I thought this movie would be bad just like many reviewers said. I watched it and i liked it . It's suprising LOL, couse most of the times i tend to agree with these reviewers.

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[–] Ichi-San 9 years ago

Is it better than Elysium? I thought Elysium was kinda boring...

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[–] Egobot 9 years ago

Way better than Elysium.

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[–] rahm 8 years ago

Yah, ignore the (bad) reviews for this movie on Rotten Tomatoes. This was way better than Elysium (and not really comparable), and although Ex Machina was worth watching once and had some good points, was very slow and different in nature. This made the points Ex Machina was trying to make without the AI LOOKING like a person, which made it's actions that much more important. Also, Chappie was way more entertaining, and there's certainly room for a sequel (as there was in Ex Machina). Difference is, I'd actually pay money to see the Chappie sequel.

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[–] Egobot 8 years ago

What points?

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[–] rahm 8 years ago

Whether the AI is sentient and should be treated as such (i.e. have rights, etc..)

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[–] DarkestPurity 10 years ago

Both great movies, but Chappie was the better of the two. A 9/10 indeed, while Ex-Machina would be a 7 or maybe 7.5

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[–] Unterschiedlich 10 years ago

Watched both movies back to back tonight... Ex Machina got a 10 from me.. Chappie got a 2 .. So fkn disappointed in this movie...

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[–] Mark-InTheUK 10 years ago

What kind of idiot calls someone an idiot because they have a different point of view on the merits or otherwise of a movie.
My opinion on the two movies follows the general public: Exmachina was the better movie. However, if you want mindless action over intelligent thoughtful movie going, then of course you'll prefer Chappie.

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[–] jjjjjj-18 10 years ago

A movie doesn't become good just because the topic it discusses in "higly intelligent'....By that token a movie that discusses quantum mechanics or theory of relativity should be the best movie.....NO.....a movie with a very simple story can also be good....it can be the best too....The point is the presentation, how much they convey ....and not how much they do not convey......or how much they makers leave it up to the audience....No beauty of a film depends upon how much happiness that it can provide.....

It is not necessary that in order to bring happiness a film has to be a comedy....No it can be awar film a tragedy or a mystery thriller....the visual experince is what gives us happiness....seeing how a mystery unravels itself

On the other hand a very convoluted mystery may not give that happiness....an intelligent filmmaker knows what the audience will appreciate...

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[–] Filler_Killer 9 years ago

Though the poster above you really makes it tempting to reply in the same manner, there's no need to insult other people as that makes the threads decay.

However I do agree with you, I think "mindless" would be an apt word to describe Chappie, but I would also add "gaudy" to it. On the other hand, even though Ex Machina has its flaws and explores a concept already probed on other films, I fell Ex Machina is in contrast "thought provoking" and "subtle", which in my book work better as definitions for a good movie. In any case, it's always good to read sober posts here on IMDb.
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[–] AnnHailey 10 years ago

Why would you say it's a 2?

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[–] SkyfireX 10 years ago

Because this movie is ridiculously idiotic.

Dev Patel tells Chappie - "We don't know what conscience is, so we can not move it". This gotta be the stupidest dialogue in a movie. A developer who developed a conscience AI, coded the system that stores conscience and memory, installed it in a robotic body doesn't know what is it? How did he even manage to code it then?

If you don;t know how something works, you can not create it. If you created it, you know how it works. I deducted 2 stars, just for this dumbass dialogue.

What do you expect to find down here? ...My juggling balls?

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[–] freakyashik 10 years ago

A simple program can be evolved to give such complex results that sometimes it's very hard to keep track of all what's happening in the process, for the programmer himself. Speaking as a programmer.

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[–] SkyfireX 10 years ago

Oh you are a programmer?! And yet you speak like someone who never had any real world programming experience. What programs did you code? Those school assignments in visual basic?

No program "evolves" to give "such complex results" that it is impossible to keep track of. A program is written to achieve defined objective within given parameters. When you write the program, you must be able to track and diagnose every step it takes in the process, otherwise you have written a crap program which fails QA.

When a programer says - "Oh I have written this program, but I don't know how it works, and I have no idea how to copy the data on another identical system", know that he isn't a programmer but a fraud and possibly an idiot.

What do you expect to find down here? ...My juggling balls?

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[–] paulo_crz13 10 years ago

Are you trying to bring real world examples and theories into a sci-fi movie?

It's perfectly plausible that Chappie evolved in such a way that it isn't anymore composed of code as we - and Deon - are capable of understanding.

You should watch more AI related movies.

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[–] SkyfireX 10 years ago

Are you trying to bring real world examples and theories into a sci-fi movie?

That's a lame excuse - "Oh well this is a sci-fi movie, so this can be deprived of all senses and logic."

Programming is not a sci-fi concept, may be for idiots, but for not for rest of the world anyway. So basic rules of programming still apply.

I can only code what you know. You can not code a concept that you have no idea about. If you coded something and claim to not understand how it works, you are a fraud, who must have stolen it from someone else.

It's perfectly plausible that Chappie evolved in such a way that it isn't anymore composed of code as we - and Deon - are capable of understanding.

Yeah, his hardware mutated, right? His interface "evolved" from mech-CHAPPiE to mech-IDIoTA.

And Deon knew all of this without looking or trying because he was the "Creator" in the most literal sense.. All-knowing God!

What do you expect to find down here? ...My juggling balls?

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[–] Tiablo 10 years ago

So a programmer of an AI should know what action and choice and AI would do under any given circumstance? That's a program and not an AI, and you are an idiot.

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[–] darkreign2021 10 years ago

Deon didn't create a program for consciousness. He wrote an algorithm that, when executed correctly, would replicate and expand upon itself, which is how the program develops the ability to learn. All Deon's program did was allow it to know when it was receiving information and how to retain it. Every time Chappie would learn something, let's say what the color blue is, a countless number of lines of code would be produced to account for the existence of the color blue, the awareness of items that are blue, how the color blue makes Chappie feel emotionally, etc... the number of times this program would replicate itself would be innumerable. And to be fair, you can't really argue that this isn't it works because, lets face it, nobody's ever created an AI as far as we know. The technology is still beyond our capability at the moment. We can't even release a videogame without being bug ridden and full of glitches.

Realistically, the most unrealistic part of this movie is that these machines could never handle the level of computing information that it would take to store an entire human consciousness. They might be okay starting out in their infant stage, but they would very quickly think themselves to death.

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[–] DaliParton 10 years ago

That's a lame excuse - "Oh well this is a sci-fi movie, so this can be deprived of all senses and logic."

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
- Arthur C. Clarke

Yeah, his hardware mutated, right? His interface "evolved" from mech-CHAPPiE to mech-IDIoTA.

We have no idea what kind of technology was inside chappie's chassis. For example, why would that neural helmet even work at all on regular old silicon chips and circuit boards? You have two answers to choose from - it wouldn't, or the hardware inside chappie is something else. And since the movie wouldn't happen with the first answer, the second one is the only one.

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[–] caulkins69 10 years ago

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
- Arthur C. Clarke

I am so sick of seeing that quote used to justify bad science-fiction writing. Do you really think Clarke intended it to be taken as license to ignore known principles?

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[–] DALenard 9 years ago

Girls.... you're both pretty. Let's move on.

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[–] paulo_crz13 9 years ago

Yeah, his hardware mutated, right?

Isn´t code (and programming) basically software?

Programming is not a sci-fi concept

Everything can be a sci-fi concept. Sci-fi movies have defied current known physics. Is it prohibited to go beyond the current known concepts about programming?

Of course not.

Ok, you are a programmer of some kind. Congratulations. Now take your head out of your butt, it´s hurting your back.

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[–] thepotatoHasEyes 10 years ago

this guy is either a troll or just a D-bag idiot. deon was trying to explain A-I to basically a fourth grader, at that time,

if you haven't been to the ex machina mssg board, it is full of these pompous , pseudo-intellectuals, talking about alternate sci fi realities as if every sci fi movie is suppose to be real.

no one on that board has even touched on the fact that in the movie -ex

machina, the viewer is not let into the secret that ava whispers(probably just a

simple servant command) to the other A-I. , they just assume that the other A-I

became secretly sentient. that is the logic that you are arguing with.

i have went through all the ways that chappie is a Much better movie,point

by point ... the retort i got was .... ex machina is better, chappie is a far

superior movie to ex machina .... just on pure entertainment value alone

one movie is action packed (chappie) and one movie(ex machina) is a

plodding bore filmed entirely in one location, aside from intro 2 mins and

outro 2 mins, which contains only one "action sequence" and even that is

literally slow... robot walks through the action sequence....

yyyaaaawwwwnnnnnnnn. just watch, in ten years, everyone will be talking about

Chappie as a "bladerunner" or a RoboCop"---- it will stand the test of time .

NOW JUST START THE MOVIE

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[–] slazev 10 years ago

filmed entirely in one location, aside from intro 2 mins and outro 2 mins, which contains only one "action sequence" and even that is literally slow.

This was your problem. Expecting an action movie. Did you even see a trailer for this.
Don't worry. Michael Bay should have a movie coming out soon.

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[–] lordDEMAXUS 9 years ago

please dont listen to him. guy has been insulting me very vulgarly in another thread so dont take him seriously.

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[–] odikpahn 9 years ago

You are so wrong. You know, when I was around 20 I used to love action flicks and bullet time, I still do love bullet time tho ( Eventho they only got it right in Dredd lately ) but the older I get the more I prefer "realistic" alternatives with alot of deep dialouge and more or less a take on, what would you do? How would you think. etc.

Chappie, will in 10 years be outplayed by VFX and Mograph while movies that tend to focus on less VFX and a more evolving story keeps a higher standard years after its realese.

Just look at the movie Matrix now, the effects is getting outdated, but the story is still absolutely amazing.

Dont get me wrong, chappie is a good movie, but neaither the critics or lovers got this movie right.

Chappie is around 7.5 out of 10, and so is Ex Machina

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[–] DurakSuka 10 years ago

As per your logic, there should be no bugs because QA should be able to catch them all. You are a *beep* retard, and by your own measure, you probably do your "coding" in VB. In any non-trivial program, it is not possible to predict all the paths of execution and interaction, you dumb *beep*

Hama cheez ba-Beer behtar meshawad!

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[–] arksun1 9 years ago

Um yeah, SkirfireX you have no idea what you're talking about.

You should see whats going on in neural networks, there's the type of straight forward what you put in-what comes out programming that you're referring to, then there's a whole other world that you quite clearly do not understand.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/18/google-image-recognition-neural-network-androids-dream-electric-sheep

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[–] Neuronhead 9 years ago

No program "evolves" to give "such complex results" that it is impossible to keep track of

As you speak there are programs programmed to rewrite their own code. You don't understand what you're talking about.

I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe

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[–] Tiablo 10 years ago

And Ex Machina was even more ridiculously idiotic.

They create an AI and acknowledge it's the greatest achievement in human history yet they treat it like creating a sex doll. Presumably to please the teenage virgin geek boys.

They give the AI a sex, completely stupid.
They give the AI a body, completely stupid(in Chappie it makes sense because their main aim was creating robot servants and not a true AI, that was a side project).
The super secure facility doesn't even have two stage verification and all you need to get full access is a pass card. No bio scan, no password. Ridiculous. I've been in college labs with higher security.

Chappie had it fair share of stupid moments, but overall it's a less stupid movie than Ex Machina.

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[–] jivaro1138 10 years ago

You have a lot of good points about Ex Machina, and ordinarily I would agree with you (at times I even thought similar things while watching it).

The "reality" of it all is the movie mostly makes sense; when you look at it - not objectively; but from the character's point of view.

He was a bit of a nutjob...either because of all his own sequestering or from delusions of grandeur. He did not try to think of things as a rational person or as a company because I think in his mind he was foolproof and always in control.

Obviously he had his own God complex. He wanted to be top of the pyramid and have everyone else below him. He just wanted to live alone and live out his fantasies of creating his own world.

I doubt he even wanted the accolades as much as being the one in the history books cited as creating the next generation of AI, or whatnot. He is already a legend in his own mind and never really cared for what people thought of him...only to confirm what he already thinks of himself.

If you haven't seen Foxcatcher, you might really see how I can draw such an opinion. Two people basking in the glow of their own manufactured "awesomeness" so to speak.

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[–] chilone (17913) 7 years ago

Lol. Tetravaal appeared to have no security whatsoever!!

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[–] IMDb_cat 9 years ago

Sounds like someone completely missed the point of the movie and would rather watch a blatant wank fest like Ex Machina than a film with many levels that actually provokes some reaction.

Each to their own!

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[–] konstantinos-81-669703 10 years ago

I feel sorry for you.

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[–] Thought_Criminal_J62377 10 years ago

You're not an idiot, Chappie is garbage. Ex Machina was 10 times better, period!

Yea, Tho I Walk Thru The Valley Of The Shadow Of Political Correctness...🇺🇸

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[–] dreamarena 10 years ago

They're both average at best. With loads of flaws

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[–] Thought_Criminal_J62377 10 years ago

I hated everything about Chappie and I agree that Ex Machina wasn't perfect, but the atmosphere early on, appealed to me. Seems alot of times, movies can't deliver on the intrigue they generate at the beginning, but Ex Machina was easy to watch from start to finish, without feeling like a chore.

Yea, Tho I Walk Thru The Valley Of The Shadow Of Political Correctness...🇺🇸

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[–] chunkiefroth 9 years ago

Ex Machina is for those who can understand what kind of god complex Nathan had and the A.I he created was in a way he thought he could control them...like an overbearing father...

I'm sure nobody misunderstood Ex Machina. . . it was a very simple concept. In the end it was another in a long list of cautionary AI tales. Nothing new, just wrapped in a new package. Alex Garland's story telling and the cast performances kept the film from being generic.

it had far better performances than Chappie

LOL, who cares about that. . . I love Ex Machina, but popularity has nothing to do with my opinion of it. . .

. . .and didn't have to rely on explosions....

That's lazy dude. Sure, Chappie fully relied on the 3 or 4 explosions in the entire film. There are only two action scenes, maybe 2 and a half. . . you're really reaching, Sunshine.

Chappie was The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel meets Short Circuit for fans of Michael Bay films..

Fail. . .repeating drivel you read in other hate rants does not make it relevant. I dare you to explain that description without making anything up. If you can support that claim without coming off like a retarded "D"-bag, I'll change my user name from chunkiefroth to "versace14's_lil_ByTcH". I'm not even Joking. . .I'll do it. . .

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[–] narva24 9 years ago

Although neither film was all that deep - Chappie was made for people in their teens and younger (Oh, I know there was coarse language and all, but as far as plot and characters are concerned...), while Ex Machina made at least some attempt at having some sort of maturity (not a whole lot though).

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[–] Fashionably_Straight 9 years ago

Pretty much where i'm at too. Ex Machina was a fine film. Alex Garland is a promising director/writer. Chappie was nonsense and it sucked. Hoping Blomkamp can rebound.

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[–] AA-Wild 10 years ago

You cant really compare these movies with eachother other then the fact that they're both about AI.

Chappie was supposed to be a fun action packed movie and thats exactly what it is.
But Ex-machina is a more dark, slow, psychological thriller movie without humor or explosions or gun fights.

It's more a movie for the thinkers among us wich is probably why Ex-machina has a higher rating and thats also probably the reason why alot of people disagree with both ratings.
I enjoyed chappie very much but gave it a low rating because it was incredibly predictable, and a little uninspired in my opinion. When I was done watching the movie I was like, wow that was really fun but I've seen soo many movies exactly like that. And Im not talking about the story, Im talking about the whole setup of the good guy and the bad guy etc. etc. its was all so annoyingly obvious.

But Ex-machina was really something new for me and it had a very nice captivating ending in my opinion. Thats why I gave Ex-machina a high rating.

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[–] trainspotting 10 years ago

Have seen both movies and I would have to say Ex Machina is the far superior movie. Chappie is a joke a silly little movie about an idiot of a programmer who develops AI and throws it out into the world without as much as a second thought and no kill switch. The gangster storyline with Mommy and Daddy is ridiculous and we are supposed to believe that a machine that just became sentient discovered how to create a program that you can download consciousness onto a thumb drive. If this were the case Chappie should be wiped off the face of the earth because within a year the human race would either be enslaved or wiped off the face of the planet by a far more intelligent creature

Ex Machina puts forth a far more intelligent argument about the development, testing and proof that AI can actually created. It is more of cerebral challenge put forth by the character who has developed AI and the person he brought in to test it.

I gave Ex Machina a 7.

I gave Chappie the piece of crapie a 4.

In closing if we as a race develop full fledged AI it will probably lead our downfall as the top dogs on this planet.

For further reading look what Hawking and Gates think about AI.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-barrat/hawking-gates-artificial-intelligence_b_7008706.html

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[–] mr_zetor 10 years ago

@trainspotting
I watched Ex Machina and gave it an 8, but I was rather wasted so I'll have to see it again. Could get downgraded to a 7.

I was considering watching Chappie, but had a feeling it was going to be *beep* gay as *beep* Thanks to your comment, I'll steer away from this turd. Thanks for saving two hours of my time, dude! :)

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[–] trainspotting 10 years ago

Have seen both movies and I would have to say Ex Machina is the far superior movie. Chappie is a joke a silly little movie about an idiot of a programmer who develops AI and throws it out into the world without as much as a second thought and no kill switch. The gangster storyline with Mommy and Daddy is ridiculous and we are supposed to believe that a machine that just became sentient discovered how to create a program that you can download consciousness onto a thumb drive. If this were the case Chappie should be wiped off the face of the earth because within a year the human race would either be enslaved or wiped off the face of the planet by a far more intelligent creature

Ex Machina puts forth a far more intelligent argument about the development, testing and proof that AI can actually created. It is more of cerebral challenge put forth by the character who has developed AI and the person he brought in to test it.

I gave Ex Machina a 7.

I gave Chappie the piece of crapie a 4.

In closing if we as a race develop full fledged AI it will probably lead our downfall as the top dogs on this planet.

For further reading look what Hawking and Gates think about AI.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-barrat/hawking-gates-artificial-intelligence_b_7008706.html

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[–] mmq1 10 years ago

A 7.2? I gave this 10 minutes and rate it a 3.

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[–] mmq1 10 years ago

First of all, that gay disco music drum beat near the beginning was enough to tip me off that this movie was intended for imbeciles.

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[–] dreamarena 10 years ago

What a flawed perspective... I don't like the music therefore the movie must be bad.

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[–] chilone (17913) 7 years ago

Not really. I watched the whole movie and thought it was alright but the (non)music was very off-putting.

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