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yes may definition of what is "womanly" is contingent on social pressures and constructs. which vary culture to culture, time and place.
that's exactly what the spartan example shows. how "manliness" also varied in what it was epitomized by based off the culture.
what's that African culture that weaves stinger ants into a basket and the boy has to go through a ceremony and endure it to become a "man". are you not a man unless you endure this ceremony? that would be called a social construct and how they mark genders.
also in sparta it was teen boys. but do go on you are a fountain of information.
im not talking about morality. you are now trying to change the subject because you don't know anything.e
so for the 15th time you constantly try and conflate sex and gender.
ill simplify it since you are as sharp as a spoon
Sex: all those spartan men were biologically male
Gender: what defined social roles was defined by the culture. women stayed home. men went to war, buttfucked boys and combed each others hair. that was the epitome of "manliness". not "maleness", although they did overlap. they were male whether or not the met these standards (being born male). but what society deemed "manly" they could meet or not
the evidence is literally a basic understanding of anything.
my own picture I sent you proved it. it showed how socialists and communists were both mapped on different places on the "left spectrum"
are you retarded by chance?
"this thing we didn't know ended up being true so therefore I can now say any conspiracy theory is true"
that's retard logic
yes they are the ones complaining. they are the ones who voted for and supported minimum wage increases. how out of touch are you?
that joke may play well in the seniors home and get a good har har but it just comes off as cringe.
thank you for not addressing anything I said
so as usual you divert from the points. you have lost the argument as you always do
no it clearly shows socialism is on the left. just like communism is. just like progressivism. ti doesn't mean everyone on the left is therefore a socialist.
logic tard.
who says you can't define subjective things? can you show me a tome where womanly things are written in stone?
answer this! why is it manly things from ancient Sparta differ and are even contrary to what we say are manly today?
I showed you manly things. if you want I can lookup historical "womanly" things and how they contrast with social norms we have today?
I just did 10 times............
the retardation is strong with you
where did I say they were women? and kind of "what society feels". more the social norms a society naturally creates as it evolves.
yes its subjective. gender isn't really a hard science like sex. It's human society. it's like saying liberalism or conservatives is a hard science. its social constructs.
again the mostly manly things men did in Sparta was what we would consider feminine or weird.
and if we talked to a spartan they say "what?!? you arent a man you don't comb your bros hair and buttfuck them"
I feel like you know I have a point. but you won't admit it
yes gender is subjective or at least fluid. it varies massively. it has throughout history as my Sparta example shows. gender was objective we would consider the same things "manly" now as they did then! in fact many of the things they considered the most manly we would say is feminine or not manly.
am I not correct in that?
believe me despite being on the left im no fan of transgenderism. but that also doesn't mean I won't deny the obvious reality that born sex (male vs female) is completely different that gender. which as I showed has massively varied over time.
look if male gender norms were identical today as they were in the past id say you are correct. there is no difference. gender and sex are 100% non mutually exclusive events.
but as ive shown from the huge variance between what was considered manly in the past vs now. its pretty clear that social pressures and constructs plays a massive role.
and that's not a left wing conspiracy. its a fact. Sparta vs now shows it
no the graphs shows that socialism is on the left. this doesn't mean all leftists are socialists, idiot.
it also shows communism too.
your brain is half functioning huh?
I just did... they would be the social constructs that are associated with each gender which have massively changed over time.
ive explained this 5 times now at least.
Mainly things in sparta
-having sex with boys
-going to war
-wearing red
-combing your bros hair
-only visiting your wife to procreate
-cowardlyprojectiles like arrows seen as
manly things in modern American society
-driving a truck
-the color blue
-at most giving your buddy a hug, not buttufcking them
-wearing jeans
-projectiles (ie guns) no longer seen as a cowards weapon
yes a biological man is one with the sex of male. a female is born female.
sex vs gender. how are you not getting this.
I did. it's literally right there.... you either blind or dumb or both.
manly spartan men went to war, butt fucked boys and combed each others hair. wore red. wore thongs. that was gender norms
now manly men drive trucks, know trades, like blue, wear jeans etc.
both these groups were biological men. but had very different gender norms
I don't even need Sparta as an example but its an extreme one so it proves the point more clearly.
look at modern American men vs Saudi men. there are some clear different gender norms
-in saudi men kiss on the cheek
-in saudi a man beats his wife and keeps her in line.
it varies culture to culture.
"manly things" in ancient Sparta was going to war, but also buttfucking boys and combing your lovers and friends hair"
now that's completely different.
and women comb each others hair.
ive given you 3 or four sources. the fact you are too lazy to read them isn't my fault
no what it DOES mean is that what we say "men" and "women" are/do, varies massively. its not set in stone, its not decided at birth.
the fact the most badass "manly men" in Sparta were butt fucking hair combers. who wore a cape. where now a man stereotypically drives a truck and knows carpentry.
just shows how much gender social constructs vary and they are not a clear thing.
yes if you identify with being a woman and what we call "womanly things" then sure.
ive given you four sources on what gender and social constructs are.
if you can't be bothered to read them that's on you
so again just because im on the left doesn't mean im a socialist. just because you are on the right doesn't mean you are an archo capitalist. how are you this stupid?