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the fact that putting his hand on Pam's leg is the "most unlikeable" for Toby suggests it's a very short list to choose from. And arguably karma for Jim making a move on Pam while she was still engaged to Roy.
I'd argue that siding with Ryan when Jim's getting disciplined was his worst moment, as that did seem to be out of spite for him being with Pam, something he practically confirmed in the talking head about the incident.
To defend Ryan in this instance, I think there's another thread on here suggesting that Jim was a slacker in the office, Ryan had first hand experience of this and was right to call him out on it. And he wasn't threatening to fire him, just giving him a warning to try harder. Unfortunately, with this and the Charles Minor episodes, the person unhappy with Jim is always portrayed on the show as the bad guy and Jim the victim. The fact that his performance warning is considered some sort of revenge for being with Pam sadly proves the point. Especially since Ryan only half-heartedly asked her to a part-date/part-business dinner once and showed no interest in her before or since.
actually that was one of the more tragic things about this story - that Derek's got all these qualities - academically good, great at basketball, streetwise, leadership skills, public speaking/oratory - Ed Norton himself when discussing this movie says that Derek could be an army general or something with all the gifts he has - and yet he's so consumed by anger that he throws it all away, or worse still, uses these talents for something negative and to seek what he sees as revenge on those who killed his father.
Without all that hate and rage, he probably would have gotten himself and his family out of that area. Even with his skinhead ways, according to Danny he had a good job (although we're never told what that is)
once you get past the coma episodes, I really liked it. The soap opera with Vito, AJ's continuing deterioration until Tony, without Carmela around to talk him out of it, gets him the job on the building site, and "The Ride" is one of my favourite episodes of the show. Also the faux-happy-ending until the grim reality of 6B sets in.
and Carlo's testimony
I thought 4 was great too, once you got past the first four episodes.
I'd say season 5 - until this point, the actors had all been relative unknowns, but for 5 they bring in Frank Vincent and Steve Buscemi - great actors but already well known for other things and it just kind of took me out of the show a little and took away some of the escapism. Also didn't like a lot of the storylines.
Unlike the other responders, I thought season one was great and I could also make a point that season 2 suffers early on from having to undo the end of the first series (contriving to get Dr Melfi to let Tony return as a patient, Uncle Junior getting out of prison so quickly, etc). Then again season 5 suffers from the same because the whole story of Tony and Carmela getting back together drags like crazy.
Season 3 was arguably a rehash of season 2 in parts, with Jackie Jr (& his friend Dino maybe?) replacing Matt & Sean, & Ralphie replacing Richie Aprile (even to the point of dating Janice!)
If you consider the two parts of Season 6 to be separate (as I do), I'd say the "final 9" were very hit and miss. But when it hit it was still great.
Short answer, season 5 was the worst.
if true, imagine how much worse Tony's financial state would have been if the show had carried on a couple more seasons, given what happened to the economy in 2008
It's possible though that her shock and snap decision to run away upon seeing his ID wasn't because she found out that he was only 17/18, it was the fact that it was his "Vernon Academy" ID, meaning that he went to the same school and was in the same year (and therefore probably in the same classes) as her son.
it's quite funny that he chases after him to continue the fight (after being punched outside the school), but quickly realises that he's completely out-muscled by Skip, so has to run away instead. The ear-bite you refer to is a desperate move stop the attack, and also to buy himself some time to get away. Same with throwing the rock and the fire extinguisher at him.
It accomplished what he wanted though, in making Skip finally get it out of his system. Not just for the sake of their friendship, for Skip's own sanity too
film came out in 83 so would have been set in the autumn of 82 and winter of late 82/early 83. Possibly filmed during this period too.
So he'd have been 17 when proceedings start, and turned 18 during the course of the movie (in the autumn of 82) - I guess they didn't show his birthday party, but you just know Skip would have made it a good one
actually that's with Tuesday Weld's character (Carol?), not Deborah
they even parody the scene at the end of Titanic, when Chris' jock friends are on that plank but one of them can't hold on
Agreed - to counter IMDB_Vitt's response, Ashley's first appearance, when that stoner guy falls off his skateboard, she smiles and asks him if he's OK and hands his book back to him. Moments later, she's also nice, not to mention quick-witted, to Brian/Ryan when he bumps into her, causes her to mess up her lipstick and can only say "sorry about your mouth" - I considered this niceness and humour to be part of her appeal and the reason he fell for her. I also got the impression she was getting on well with Marla Sokoloff's character during their double date.
It's completely at odds with the person we see later in the movie, being horrible to the waitress and actually to everyone outside her clique that she considers beneath her, and, as stated in the OP, generally acting like a dumb bimbo.
While Chris was a jerk from the beginning, he also came across much more intelligent and cunning initially than he appeared to be later in the movie. His motive for Marla seemed contradictory too, as at first it seems like he's intrigued by her BECAUSE she's not interested in him, and that if he were to win her over, he'd want to do so for good and not just for one night - his "nail and bail" approach just doesn't go with the time and effort he takes chasing her.
Other threads have commented on the lack of continuity in other areas of this movie, and it's a shame. I guess they had to change Ashley's personality in order for Brian/Ryan to fall out of love with her and thus set up the triangle with Marla's character.
I think they took enough liberties with this movie already, especially with the ending (and when I say "ending", I mean the final scene featuring both Joe/Donnie & Lefty).
In reality, both Joe and another undercover agent (might have been Richie , might have been someone else, it's been a while since I read the book) were told in advance that after the upcoming weekend, they were getting taken out of the program.
Consequently, both agents (Richie was every bit as competent and cunning as Joe, despite how the movie sometimes portrays him) spent the weekend being unusually nosey and asking questions that they'd normally avoid so as not to arouse suspicion - with them being out of it in a couple of days, there wouldn't be time for the people they'd infiltrated to even discuss their suspicions, never mind act on them, and so with nothing to lose they figured they may as well get as much information as they could (a) while they still could, and (b) while they no longer had to worry about seeming a bit too curious when asking questions.
Contrast that with the dramatic climax to Joe's tenure as Donnie in the movie. Like I said at the start of this post, I think they took enough liberties already
I guess they think it'll never happen to them. Another movie about the sub-prime crisis, The Big Short, actually has the line that people underestimate the possibility of bad things happening.
They've probably been told/reassured by lawyers or bank staff or whoever they've spoken to recently about their situation not to worry, that it wouldn't come to that, or that there'd be a whole lot more time and legal process to go through before it came to that.
The whole "30 days to appeal" thing was quite misleading too, makes them think they're good for that period of time and longer while the appeal's being considered after being filed.
The first guy Nash evicts even thinks that the people at their door can't do anything while they're waiting for their lawyer to call them back!
In short, they underestimate the likelihood of it happening and overestimate their rights. Possibly filled with hot air by people in the industry who's judgement they trust that reaffirms this.
glad someone else has said this - this actually feels more like a sequel to Wall Street than the actual sequel to Wall Street!
one word - inertia. Nash and in particular his mum displayed plenty of it - the tunnel vision about wanting to buy their old house back being the biggest example.
From what we see on their first night in the motel, when there's music blasting outside (or from one of the other rooms) that the child is somehow sleeping through, we're given the impression that staying there was untenable. One of them even says "we CAN'T stay here".
After a few days though, it seems they get used to their new situation and comfortable at the motel, his mum in particular with her new friends there, and so they just kinda settle for staying there if they can't get their own house back, and so don't even consider that there could be other options now that Dennis is making money.
as Aupple says underneath, Carver's concern was that if Greene won his appeal, others might follow. I never understood how Carver came to this conclusion, because the situation with the missing document was a one-off, and, as others have said below, would only have delayed the eviction anyway, so I can't see that others would follow.
Furthermore, it's made clear throughout the movie that there are countless other foreclosed homes in the area, so if Greene had been successful, and, say, another 10 or even another 25 people decided to appeal theirs with the same legal team and somehow won, they could easily have replaced them with other homes for Vesco's portfolio.
I personally think it was to do with Carver always wanting to win, rather than being about the money. Even if Greene's home was of little significance to him, and could easily be replaced, he just didn't want to lose in court. It ties in with what he said to Nash earlier about how "America bails out the winners, it doesn't bail out the losers". He wanted to stay a winner.
And, to end on a petty note, Vesco wanted 100 homes, so he was actually risking the profit on 99 homes for 1 home - hence the title of the movie. Actually if you want to take it further, he was risking his licence, his reputation, his freedom, everything, for 1 home. But like I say, he'd gotten so used to winning and was obsessed with always making the maximum profit and not missing an opportunity to capitalise, it's what had gotten him where he was when he made the deal with Vesco. He wasn't going to suddenly change his personality and accept defeat and write off 1 home. He lived and died by his opportunism.
I'd just add also that his son had to change schools anyway and was hardly going to see his friends from the old neighbourhood anymore (think one's at his birthday party at the motel but i get the impression that's only after they'd revisited their old house and were in the process of moving back in)
i wouldn't say every eviction victim was sympathetic. There's the guy who pulls the gun on Nash for one thing. I'm sure there's also a couple who aggressively refuse to leave and the police officers he has on standby have to intervene.
And although off-screen, there's also whoever's house it is that none of Carver's crew want to go into because the tenants have deliberately and literally caused a stink
just to also add having watched it again, I get that it's done for dramatic purposes and for the mother/grandma to find out that Dennis has been working for Rick Carver, but I find it hard to believe that ginger beard would recognise Nash as instantly as he does. In casual clothes, wearing a baseball cap and with his back turned before ginger beard's even looked out of his car window.
Also, during that montage of evictions that Nash does, you'd think they'd have shown ginger beard's family being one of them, just so the viewer will think "uh-oh" at the same time as Dennis when their car pulls into the motel.
Or better still, have Dennis not even see that family arrive and bump into ginger beard in the walkway of the motel one morning - ginger beard would create enough of a scene and enough noise that Dennis' mum would hear and find out what had been going on.