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or Little Women!
I've also recently learned that, in real life, Chaplin met one of his wives when she was just 12.
Only commenting on the first point here - it's not so much that Sonny revealed what he was thinking, it's more that he indicated an interest in the deal after Vito had made clear to Solozzo that he wasn't interested, that it would be bad for business etc
The family needed to present a united front here and Sonny's question about the Tattaglias guaranteeing security ruined it all, and, as others on this thread have already said, it proved to be a very bad move on Sonny's part because Solozzo's knowledge that Sonny was "hot for" the deal led to the attempt on Vito and the subsequent warring between the families.
There's a similar situation much later when Fredo fails to show solidarity with the new Don's stance against Moe Greene. Michael is a lot more direct and clear in his wording here though, so there's no confusion.
Put it another way - if Sonny had expressed a personal opinion against Solozzo - if he'd said something like "we dont give a rat's ass who's guaranteeing what, we're not interested", i doubt Vito would have minded
I only opened this thread because i thought it would be the revelation that the homeless man is played by the guy who'd go on to play Carcetti's running mate, Norman, in The Wire.
Which just shows what quality actors this movie had, even for the bit parts. No wonder it did so well and still holds up now
Rosie clearly didn't watch Baywatch!
Good spot - i remember one of Bodhi's gang saying it, but didn't realise it was Rosie. Interesting that it was him - like maybe he didn't trust Utah from the beginning, even while all his friends were warming to him
Oh yeah. Set in Spain? I could just google it!
Also Jordy going from fearsome prison guard who helped Carroll access the internet in prison to cultivate The Following, and later escape, and then successfully carry out and then get away from a killing spree of his own, to weak and inept liability to The Following in the space of a few minutes.
The way he's portrayed after this, it's a wonder he even became a prison guard, never mind one on death row
From the pilot (and seqsequent episides) alone, I'd say red flags not flying for any of the authorities about the fact that several military age men were making regular visits to a celebrity serial killer in prison, despite not being related to are having any other previous association with him. I guess they can't stop visitors from coming, but a quick background check would tell them that two of them are living next door to Carroll's last and only surviving victim, and another one is married to a wantes serial killer.
And if that's a realistic portrayal, then I'm calling the authorities boneheaded!
I've only watched the first few episodes and completely agree with this one. Especially after what happened at Sarah's house. To then have the same protection arrangement for claire in the next episode, and later, megan (when they thought she was innocent and that her husband might come back to kill her) was beyond dumb.
The cops and federal agents on this show were straight out of a lifetime movie
There was Miami, LA, then Hollywood 7? What was the 4th? Vaguely remember a back in time thing but after over 20 years it's kinda hazy!
From what i remember of his appearance near the end of season 2, he came across as a bad wannabe gangster then, speaking above his station - hence Tony's " those who want respect show respect".
So in that sense i wouldn't say he was retconned. In series 3, Ralph takes over Richie Aprile as his mentor. With male role models like that, the guy never stood a chance!
I always saw his appearance with near the end of season 2 as a window into season 3. They certainly set it up well.
They did similar at the end of 3, with Adrianna being befriended by "Danielle" and Paulie being tempted to Johnny Sack's side, both brilliantly setting up season 4.
There's probably other examples that i can't think of right now
The more of the recent episodes i watched, the more i wondered if they had different writers for different episodes, and if they didn't like what had occured in the previous one, they'd just undo it. Especially in the last one, in which - SPOILER - they contrived a way for Cobra Kai to be re-admitted, after it such a big deal that they were eliminated in the previous episode.
And all completely pointless because CK could have just been watching the finals with all the other dojos and just joined in the royal rumble at the end like everyone else.
I thought the writing had been getting progressively worse throughout and that really took the biscuit
Oh how dozy am i?! I always thought when Alec Baldwin says "2 weeks with pay" he's referring to taking a leave of absence. I didn't even think about it being for his notice period until i just read your reply. That does make more sense that way.
And technically he would be serving this notice period when Sullivan tells Costigan that Dignam's taken a leave of absence.
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Just to add to the earlier answer about insisting on a public place being a ruse for the gun to be planted in advance - asking for a reasonable condition like that (somewhere Michael would feel safe) also makes it more convincing that the Corleones were going along with the truce talks.
If they'd just agreed to the meeting without question, it might have made the enemy more suspicious that they were up to something or planning something.
Just gotta hope he was better at that than he was at kissing
This post cracks me up. Getting her off on a rollercoaster is mentioned first, as if that's by far the worst thing he does in the film, like almost killing her family is just an afterthought.
Sorry - I guess it was written that way to keep with the chronology of the events of the movie, but it just tickles me!
I always thought he had and admitted to it when Tony pressed him.
Maybe I've remembered wrong, or that i interpreted the part where he shouts "who cares" as an admission - if nothing else, he'd stopped denying it when he said this.
Anyway, what i was going to add in this thread is that, earlier in Season 4, Tony was present when Ralph speaks to Johnny Sack and attempts to deny that he'd made the joke about his wife.
(1) similarly, when he says "if that's what it takes" (re apologizing for the comment), Tony damn near face-palms as he knows Johnny will take this as an admission of guilt. Which it is.
(2) and more crucially, Tony had seen and heard first hand Ralph lying and denying something he's really done, so knows what 'tells' to look and listen out for when he confronts him about the horse.
In addition to the earlier answers, there also seems to be someone in the room passing messages between Tattaglia and Barzini (one of them whispers something to this messanger, who then goes and whispers to the other one). The camera shows Vito as his eyes follow the messenger, or flick between the 2 mob bosses like he's at a tennis match.
I think there's also a moment where Tattaglia looks to Barzini before agreeing to something, and only when Barzini nods does Tattaglia agree to this. The camera then cuts to Vito, who has picked up on this but has to hide his reaction at the time.
Plus, as Redban says above, Barzini seemed to control the meeting and was doing a lot of Tattaglia's negotiations for him.
Most people in that meeting might not have noticed this as they'd only be focussed on what was being said and what deals were reached. As Bourbonking says earlier in this thread, it shows how perceptive Vito is that, even in his recovery state and getting out of his sickbed to attend this meeting, he's able to read the situation so well.
Vegas got to Nicky. Maybe it got to all of us.
The T-1000 only had to shoot him once. The old Nicky, it woulda had to shoot him 3 times before he went down
Yeah. I get that it was done for suspense (making tony late with the phone call and swann nearly leaving because of it etc), likewise margot saying "hello" about 15 times when she answers is a bit unrealistic but again adds to the suspense
Ha ha yeah and the conversation immediately before it with Bodie's crew
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