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My favorite part of this thread is people asking "Can't we just watch the movie?" Humanity is truly doomed.
I guess I see it differently. I don't mind if they goof on a movie I like. Probably because I'm doing it too. For example the original Star Wars trilogy I've loved my whole life, but I will always add bits of dialog or make snarky comments while watching. Just because we like a movie doesn't mean we have pretend its flawless. This Island Earth for example. Sure its a great 50's sci/fi movie, but we can still notice the absurdity of the guys foreheads, and laugh when Crow says "He goes through a lot of Brill cream."
Is it useless and pointless discussion to wonder how and why a president was killed? Was it just a crazy loner who wanted attention and got lucky? And if so, how could there be so many lapses in security by the secret service? And if it wasn't just a lone gunmen, why was the government so insistent on telling us that, and who really did it and why?
Hoffa DID show interest in her when they were playing mini-golf. And instead of candy he bought ice cream sundaes for just the two of them, (and not anyone else, including her siblings). Sure he didn't try to win her over with jokes or by flattering her, but that was because he didn't have too. She already thought the world of him. She did think Russ was creepy, but telling jokes or offering candy was the least of the reasons. She was creeped out by him because she knew what guy he was, and wanted nothing to do with him.
I'm not arguing. Just simply pointing out the factual mistakes you're making when you're trying to tell people their opinions are wrong.
The grocery beatdown was at 28:30. The bowling alley was 43:20 and Christmas was 1:01:15. People are allowed to have different opinions, but facts remain the same.
Of course I was aware that you were asking about Russ, which is why I sufficiently answered that question first. I merely mentioned her relationship with Hoffa to show the contrast between how she viewed the two men. Hoffa DID care about how she felt about him, and DID cater to her (the special ice cream just for the two of them) and her joyful response to it and him were the responses that Russ was trying to buy his way to. This is relevant because it shows that she wasn't just a shy girl who was scared of men. It was just men like her father and Russ.
I did enjoy the movie. But it wasn't without its flaws. The length didn't bother me, but it could have been under 3 hours. The aging would have worked better if the movie was made 25 years ago when the guys were closer to the age of their characters. But if you're willing to over look the age of the guys (especially the grocery beat down, ughhh) then the movie is very enjoyable. But I've never told anybody they were wrong for not liking it. That's the thing about opinions. As long as their truthful, their not wrong.
It did ok at the box office, especially for a March release. But it was a major come down from the previous two movies, including the 2nd movie which was a summer release. Perhaps people were just over the Naked Gun movies.
However this movie didn't get any where near the VHS/DVD sales or the run on cable because 3 months after it was released OJ Simpson became persona non grata. Since it didn't get that second life like most movies, its been mostly forgotten.
The first movie avoided this because we already had 6 years of history with that film so even with OJ it was already engrained in our memories. And OJ was only in 3 scenes.
He seemed a lot older because he had been such a huge public figure with significant power for so long.
Actually, not only was his answer to your question accurate, but it was made pretty clear by the movie. The girl had seen what her father did the grocery store owner who pushed her, and had a pretty good sense of what he now did for a living. Now this Russ guy was hanging around, who obviously has a lot of money, but its not clear what exactly he does for a living. He was just trying to get her to stop giving him that knowing look, and treat him like a favorite uncle. Also, Russ and his wife couldn't have children of their own so they probably loved getting affection from the kids of his associates, and it bothered him that this one girl wouldn't take the bait of all the gifts and money.
Adding to this was her immediate admiration and affection for Hoffa. In her eyes not only did he have a legitimate job, but he was dedicated to helping working class guys like her father used to be. She might have been a little naïve not to realize that if Hoffa was doing business with known gangsters like Russ and her father, then he's probably doing unsavory things as well, but she was willing to overlook that.
The de-aging/ageing effects throughout the movie were good enough that I could over look it, except for that scene. That's the only time they couldn't make DeNiro look like a young man.
I think it was pretty clear that he was being ordered to do the hit. The conversation with Russ at the dinner the morning of, before he got on the plane, made it very clear that they felt as though they had exhausted all other options with Hoffa. And it would have to be someone they trusted to do it, and someone that he trusted, so that his guard would be down. And the fact that Tony Jack and Angelo weren't in the house and Hoffa and Frank walked in made it clear what was intended to happen.
To difficult to predicts wins yet, but for Oscar nominees:
For Sure:
Best Picture
Best Supporting Actor (Pesci)
Adapted Screen Play.
Possibly:
Director
Best Actor for DeNiro and Pacino. I think they'll put Pacino in the lead category since he did dominate most of the middle of the movie.
It might not have been exactly like that, but it was definitely something close to that. Hoffa was on his way to a meeting with known gangsters whom he was becoming more and more nervous of. They were never proven to be anywhere near the house or restaurant. Some most likely it was someone who Hoffa trusted pulled the trigger, it a scene reminiscent of Goodfellas.
It took me two sittings to finish it, but I didn't mind the length. It could have been shorter but ultimately it wasn't hurt by the length. And this is one of the benefits of doing it for Netflix. Directors can make the movie without having to make cuts that they wouldn't otherwise want to do, and people can watch the movie at their own pace and leisure.
It's very loosely based on true events, and one possible (and likely) explanation of what happened to Hoffa. Just take it for what its worth and enjoy the show.
Having killed people during the war probably desensitized him to it.
He also did a terrible job diagnosing Sarah. Just consider the parts he knew for fact:
There was a man who was going thru the phone book killing women named Sarah Conner.
That man did attack her at a night club.
He also went to her house and killed her roommate and her roommates boyfriend.
Later we find out that her mother was also killed, presumably by the same man. So pretty much everyone she cared about is dead.
Then while in police custody, this man drove his car thru the entrance and killed 14 police officers while trying to find her.
And the only reason she survived this was because another crazy man who claimed to be from the future, kidnapped her, and impregnated her before being killed himself.
Obviously most reasonable people would not have believed that Arnold was a cyborg from the future and Kyle was sent back to protect Sarah and her unborn child. So just based on the things that are known, wouldn't he have said Sarah was suffering from extreme PTSD which has caused to lose any grip with reality and cause her to resort to violence.
20 years. Same as Tony B., Angelo, and Feech. The news cast called them "The Class of '84" because there was a major crack down on mob activities and having RICO's attached to them, sending them away for 20 years.
The Xmas special came after the first one.
I think people misunderstood the original question. Of course the original Star Wars was a stand alone movie that most people thought would bomb. After it had unprecedented success, a sequel was all but guaranteed, especially with the main villain having survived.
I would compare this trilogy to the Matrix movies. After the successes of the first movies, two sequels were guaranteed for both, regardless to how the second movie would be received. In both cases there was such hype and demand for the sequel that was a given that it would bring in huge box office regardless if people liked it or not. For Star Wars, people loved ESB, so ROTJ was a given to be a hit as well. The second Matrix movie was seen as a let down from the original (even though I think its actually very good, just didn't live up to the impossible expectations) so the third movie pretty much bombed and has been forgotten.
Just curious if the same people who are upset that they changed the ending to a less Ewok-centric ending, are the same people who hate the Ewoks and claim they ruined this movie? That would be a very interesting venn-diagram.
I prefer Victory Celebration. Aside from being less annoying, it shows the scope of the Rebel's victory, and how much what happened on this remote, mostly unsettled moon will impact the entire galaxy. And aside from the music, there are noticeable differences in the shots of the party on Endor. The original tends to linger on a shot for longer. For example, when Luke arrives we see him hug Leia for longer, then walk over to hug Han. In the newer version, we see him hug Leia, then there's a cut to Lando regaling Chewie with how got out of the Death Star, then to Luke hugging Han. By moving quicker between shots, we get more scenes of the celebration and more interactions between main and minor characters. Not only do we see Wedge with Luke and Chewie, Lando's first mate is there as well as Admiral Ackbar.
The really think the only reason anyone would prefere Yub Nub, is out of nostalgia, or hatred of any updates Lucas may have done, even ones that were ok.