I hope this is explained at some point but I highly doubt it ever will be.
How was Arya able to get past all of those wight walkers? Did she wear a wight walker face magic disguise? Did Bran use the pack if ravens to air drop Arya into the circle of walkers?
And then once getting past them, how was she able to leap in the air so high that she was coming down on an angle to stab the night king?
She couldn't have jumped from the tree because it was on the other side of where she jumped.
It was already unrealistic to have her penetrate the circle of walkers undetected, but that super high and long jump puts it in an entirely different realm of retarded.
I dont care how much training she did over the course of the entire series, you cant jump like that. She has never done a jump like that. She could have used that magic jump a bunch of times during the episode and it would have saved her life.
For instance in the library room when she was trapped she could have done a flying leap on top of a bookshelf.
8 seasons of build up to the night king showdown and he was defeated by such a ridiculous method. I dont care that it was Arya who delivered the final blow, it actually makes sense now that they brought up the blue eyes thing from season 3 again. But the way she did it was utterly unbelievable and is sloppy writing that will be a sore spot on the series forever.
Yeah I agree. They could have had it a bit more of a struggle for Arya to get the job done, than just jump out of nowhere and stab him.
I think some background on the white walkers and their motives would have been nice too, after all the slow, steady build up. Wouldn't have been against seeing a scene going back near the start of their origins, perhaps one in which Bran is visiting as the Three Eyed Raven, and it serving a purpose as to how to defeat the Night King.
It would be awesome if Bran could go back and see where the Night King came from, like if he was a human and something happened or someone did something to make him a ice demon. That would have been very helpful in this episode.
The wight walkers could hear her blood drops on the floor but 100s of them couldnt hear her running and leaping through the forest at their king?
That scene backfired if they hoped to show how sneaky she was...
my point is that they are super sensitive to the smallest sound yet they didnt hear her approach when there were many more of them?
doesnt really matter if she was still dripping blood when she did an impossibly high and long jump in the air.
They were super sensitive to the smallest sound in a quiet stone library where everything echoes. You would be too. Their senses aren't any sharper than a living person's. And she was a white walker as far as anyone out there in the forest could tell. Why would another of their compatriots joining them cause any suspicion?
Vladimír Furdík, who plays the Night King, is 6′ 1″ (1.85 m) in height. Maisie Williams is 5′ 1″ (1.55 m), one foot shorter. So Arya's jump was hardly extraordinary. They tend to film the Night King using low camera angles and other techniques to make him look taller than he is. The first shot was below his face looking up, making Arya appear to be doing a Matrix style leap. If you look at the second shot though she was coming in at a shallow angle. She never got much higher than head level.
Her training. How could Jaqen H'ghar, one of her mentors, sneak up on people and assassinate them with ninja like silence and speed, with no one even noticing that he was there in the first place?
For the same reason why she can wear people's faces. She was trained by very skilled people and, in this world, some abilities are supernatural.
She is not Brienne. She can't lift a broadsword and knock down an oak tree with it. Her diminutive size, dexterity and training by masters assassins make it possible for her to be in the same room with you as another person entirely, or to sneak up on someone silently, get close and kill.
And keep this in mind: even with those skills... she almost failed! The Night King caught her almost took her out. She made a last split second move by dropping her blade into her free hand and stabbing him. The Night King did not anticipate this and died. But it almost went another way for all involved.
thats the problem, I should know squat about training after seeing every episode of the last 8 seasons.
So I should be privy to her being able to do a flying leap over a bunch of white walkers but I never seen her do that before or train to do it so it doesn't make sense.
Exactly! Fans are desperately trying to retcon such a rediculous moment but it simply hasn’t been explained or even hinted at throughout the entire series. I wish they would have been more forthcoming that GoT is just another superhero movie
As the previous poster mentioned, some of the Faceless Men’s assassination skills are obviously magical / supernatural.
Although it was executed a little ineffectively (and we’d never seen her do something like it previously), Arya basically leapt over the shoulders of the Walkers and towards the Night King at super speed.
I may be wrong, but I recall one of the white walkers perhaps being alerted to hser nearby presence. A few seconds before Arya pops up they focus on one of the walkers turning his head as if he felt someone near.
I think she was hiding out there for a while without Theon’s group seeing her. Which would mean she watched them die in order to wait for the NK to get close...
We see Arya zipping in and the breeze she makes as she passes, the same way she zipped out from under the table when the wight crouched down to look for her. Barely in the nick of time to save Bran. This is clearly one of the abilities she picked up from the Faceless Men.
Look at the height on the second shot. The guy who plays the Night King is only a foot taller than Maisie Williams, and she comes in at a shallow angle. She could easily make that jump. They filmed the actual scene with her in harnesses because being snatched out of the air by your throat could break your neck. But the jump looks higher and more impressive than it really was because of the camera angles used, low to the ground looking upward.
they at least explain the faceless men shape shifting abilities arya has. They never once show us arya has super speed and leaping ability.
And now that we have seen episode 5 she could have used some of that speed to escape the crumbling city rather than almost die a bunch of times under rubble.
They did preview her stealthy speed for us when she managed to zip away from that wight in the time it took him to bend down and look under the table. We haven't seen the Faceless Men walk through walls though. Solid matter is solid. The press of bodies was Arya's main problem in the city; well that, and not knowing which way to run, Dani kept coming in from different directions so going one way versus another wasn't a clear choice.
As I pointed out before the actor who played the Night King stands only a foot higher than Maisie. You wouldn't need to be in especially good shape to jump that high on someone a foot taller than you. They used those low camera angles, and not showing the ground itself, to make it look more impressive, like she was Matrix leaping. They used those kinds of camera techniques a lot with the Night King actually, so he'd appear taller than he is (just average height).
the wight walkers hair moved as she jumped by him so its not just the night kings height but also the length of the jump over the other walkers. No matter how you spin it, it was a really badly written moment in the series. And this season there has been many of those moments.
She didn't jump over the white walker, she zipped past him. He looked to the side, like "What was that?" but she was already gone.
For myself I would've preferred to see Jon kill the Night King, and Arya kill Cersei (perhaps wearing Jaime's face after he was killed defending Winterfell) but you can't have everything. They had built up the power of the walkers and their army to the point where cutting off the snake's head and having the body die was really the only way they could win. I'm not one of those people who'd think it was clever, or gutsy, to have the living wiped out by the dead and end the show that way.
I've seen this happen when a person just walks by someone with long hair, or opens or closes a door and kicks up a little breeze. Cold winter weather with static electricity helps too. :)
We haven't actually seen her put on a burst of speed before. That's why they went out of their way to show us how quickly she got from under that table to behind the bookshelf (in the time it took the wight to bend over) so we'd get the idea - zipping across short distances really fast is a skill she's learned. With some of the things Melisandre could do, or Dany's imperviousness to fire, or Bran's mental abilities, or even the face wearing talent of the Faceless Men, you choose to have a problem with this bit of magic? You can easily picture Jaquen getting into a place he doesn't belong by blowing past a couple of guards so quickly they're not sure if they actually saw something or just imagined it.
Arya zipped past the perimeter of wights and walkers, then launched herself at the Night King. Maybe you don't like that ending. I probably would've done things differently myself. That doesn't mean it was inconsistent or that the scene was poorly written (although there were definitely flaws in the episode as a whole, a sizable list of them).
you are really reaching with your explanations, but you actually explain things better than the show! The only problem is, the show is supposed to tell the story not some rando on a forum board.
I also didnt find her slick move in the library as fast as whatever it was that she did outside near the tree. It is highly improbable none of them heard her coming when they can hear a blood droplet on the floor in that same library scene.
The jump itself is also ridiculously high despite your explanation of the camera angles and the night kings height. She actually jumped off a table in a green screen so they could get her jumping really high, so in the show they wanted her to obviously look like she did a matrix jump which was corny.
She should have used her lightning speed to escape the crumbling city in episode 5 and maybe even her super leaps to avoid the falling rubble. No consistency in the writing this season.
That shot was choreographed so she'd be coming in at an angle consistent with an ordinary jump. Harnesses were used so the Night King could snatch her out of the air by her throat and hold her up there, applying the squeeze, without Maisie's neck actually getting broken. Apparently it took quite a lot of takes to get exactly right.
She couldn't use her speed in the packed streets. Arya has shown no indication of being able to pass through solid matter, walk through walls (or people), that sort of thing. She couldn't go streaking all the way out of the city in a blur like The Flash even if the way was clear, or make it to Winterfell in ten minutes. I think it only works in short bursts. And doing it too many times would probably tire her out, I'm guessing.
There was nothing ordinary about that jump. Harnesses were used so she could get higher than a normal jump so it would look cool for TV. My entire problem with this scene is how unrealistic and unordinary it looked. I dont think anyone but you looked at that scene and said wow thats a really normal sized jump and I am totally okay with how it looked and how this scene played out.
What I'm saying is, Maisie could run at the actor who plays the Night King and jump that high on him. You're talking about how the jump looks with that low camera angle and not showing the ground. I'm saying look at the relative positioning - if you could see the ground, her legs would only be two feet or so above it for her to be at the height we see her on a guy who's only a foot taller than she is. Just look at how much of her body is actually over the Night King's head. It's not much.
For comparison, the current world record in the women's high jump is 6' 10¼''. Vladimir Furdik is only 6'1''. And remember: a high jumper has to get their entire body above the bar. No points for smacking into it at shoulder level. There are women in real life who could run toward Mr. Furdik, leap half a foot over his head and land behind him.
Yeah, I saw the same footage. Wires can't be put just anywhere. The only part of her jump that matters as far as the episode is concerned is the part they filmed. And she could easily duplicate that part without help. It's just a matter of being caught, then held in the air, by her throat. For safety her weight had to be supported mostly by the wires. It's also unlikely Mr. Furdik is strong enough in real life to hold Maisie up effortlessly with one hand.
Just average height? I’m sorry but 6’1” is not average height! Average is 5’9”! A foot difference in height is a huge advantage. But you guys are going off the course here attempting to explain this and that when the reality of it is that this is just another example of them trying to shove down our throats that women are as or more capable than men! Most of the episode regarding Arya was just making her seem more powerful than the Night King (a man), the Hound (a man), Gentry (a man), Ser Davos (a man), and many others. A clear example is when we see the Hound all scared and Beric Dondarrion shames him by pointing out to him what Arya is doing by not giving up and using her to inspire him to get back out there. We all know this is fantasy but IF it were real there is no way in hell that Arya could’ve defeated all the dead that she fought off which by the way you could only see them coming at her one at a time allowing her to display excellent form using a spear where as others had a fuckin’ tsunami coming at them. Then, the library scene where we see her avoid detection by the dead which I still don’t know what the dead use or how they are able to find people. They must be able to smell them at least. Then we have her running trying to escape the dead freely at every turn in the dark hallways while injured without encountering the dead that had already entered Winterfell. We then come to the scene where she’s fighting off like 20 dead that cause the door to come down and still they’re on top of her and she survives that because of the Hound and Beric. Poor Beric gives up his life for her and all three end up in a room where the Red Witch chick is in who also seems to have managed to live through what went down in the room assuming she was in there when it went down. Anyways, she manages to give her a pep talk while everyone else is dying in WinterHell (by now it’s Hell because it Fell).
Arya acquired supernatural abilities by training with the Faceless Men. Before she was simply a good fighter, for a girl her age. Afterward she had a strength and speed that was more than human. I think the wights find people by sight and sound - the same as the living. In a building with walls and floors of stone, small noises do tend to carry.
As far as her attack on the Night King, like I said earlier in this thread Maisie Williams would only have to jump a foot or two in the air to get as high on Vladimir Furdik as we see her in that shot. They used harnesses and wires to film the scene for two reasons. First, Mr. Furdik isn't strong enough to lift Maisie one handed. Second, even if he was that strong holding someone off the ground (much less snatching them out of the air mid-jump) by the throat can break their neck! Her weight had to be supported mostly by the wires, for the sake of safety. That jump was made to look more impressive than it is by shooting from a low angle.
the teleporting has been an issue on more than just this occasion, for instance when jon snow and the main character army were surrounded on an iceberg north of the wall.
But at least nobody in the vale did a flying leap from outside of the battleground to land a fatal blow on ramsey. So this is not a fair comparison.
Couldn't agree more. If she's this good against the walkers how does Cersai even stand a chance? In fact forget a battle for King's Landing, just send Arya to sneak her way into Cersai's chambers and kill her.
Arya has been one of my favourite characters but this just made her ridiculous, she's now an overpowered superhero. This was Jon's fight and they undermined his whole arc here. What was he brought back for, to have incest with his Aunt? To yell at an undead dragon? I know there's still 3 episodes left but I can't take this sloppy writing anymore, we waited 2 years for this and it's absolutely disappointing.
I have a theory that Arya will be one to kill Cersai. Qyburn is killed and Arya uses his face to get close to Cersai. She won't need a Valerian Dagger, Needle will do just fine.
I'm fine with Arya delivering the killing blow, but the Night King should have had a crazy mano-o-mano fight with Jon beforehand. I would have loved it so much better, they've been hyping it up since Hardhome. Do you know how long people have waited? It's like an itch that can't be scratched now. D&D are fucking, useles hacks who can't write for shit.
You’re 100% right Alex! When I saw Jon make his way to the Night King I thought to myself “Now this guy is bad ass!” Like you I was expecting a big fight, the crucial confrontation, maybe a Azor Ahai reveal moment.
What happened? The Night King turns around & he does that “resurrect” thing & brings back all the fallen dead so they surround Jon & cut him off.
Was like “what cowardly bullshit is this?” Bad, BAD writing! Useless, utterly useless, & WhereIsRent is right. WTF? Why’d you even go that route with Jon’s story arc these past few seasons if you were going to
1: Wimp out on the fight scene between him & the NK? & 2: Just abandon everything that you were building up towards anyway?
Really shitty writing. D&D must be terrible at jigsaw puzzles because the pieces here just don’t fit.
If you are ok with Arya killing the NK but would like to have seen Jon and the NK fighting... well, that would have meant that Arya would have had to safe Jon... I‘m sure that people would have complained about that as well.
Per shows cannon now it was just Arya OP teleporting and instakilling bullshit. If Night King was fighting Jon it would at least explain why he was so distracted when Arya sneaks up on him. It would also prove that no man/woman can take Night King out all by himself/herself. In the end it would have been awesome if the Starks did it together, a.k.a "Lone wolf dies but the pack survives", it could be elevated by all this. But the opportunity was missed, in every aspect.
the Night King should have had a crazy mano-o-mano fight with Jon beforehand.
YES. THIS. And not just because it would have been awesome to see. The Others do things the Old Way -- one on one in single combat. This is pointed out right in the very first episode when the Nights Watch get caught by the White Walkers. Waymar (I think it's Waymar) is SURROUNDED by Walkers (you can see at least 4 or 5 of them), but only ever faces off with one of them. In the book, it's more obvious -- Waymar actually gets a couple of parries in before he's defeated. So for the Night King NOT to do anything mano-a-mano, either with Jon or anyone else, kinda fails the narrative a little.
Also -- a big one on one fight would be a validation of the actor's abilities. If they were just going to have the Night King simply walk around staidly without saying anything, they could have had anyone play the guy. But instead, they got a majorly awesome kick ass stunt dude and had him....throw a stick at an x on a green screen? It seems like a huge underappreciation of Vladimir Furdik's abilities.