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No animal should ever be killed for a film


It doesn't matter if it is for shock value or whatever. It is cruel, unnecessary and just sick. Now i know there are a lot of immature people who will respond with 'how cool' it is to see them die, etc. But honestly, it is not. This is just absolutley pathetic and should have never happened and should never happen again.

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Why is it okay to torture an animal "for a meal" or "for a clothing" or "for a sport"? Do you really think the creature who is dying or being tortured gives a *beep* why it is being killed, tortured, abused, etc? Try being coherent in your ethics before spouting off about what other people do or do not put in their movies.

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"It doesn't matter if it is for shock value or whatever. It is cruel, unnecessary and just sick. Now i know there are a lot of immature people who will respond with 'how cool' it is to see them die, etc. But honestly, it is not. This is just absolutley pathetic and should have never happened and should never happen again."

Pretty much summed it all up well.
The abuse, torture, and killing of innocent animals must not be allowed in the so-called modern, civilized era. Just like killing humans is regarded as a criminal act and therefore punished, the same should apply for animals.
The only difference between we, human animals, and non-human animals is the ability of speaking. That aside, we are identical. We are both animals, whether you like it or not. We both suffer, bleed, and die if we are hurt. We both have a soul, a brain, and a heart. We both have fur/hair/whatever you call it.
It's simply hilarious (in a bad way) how people make such a fuss when a man is executed in prison for having raped and killed 10 little girls, but are fine with innocent, unguilty animals getting abused and killed for entertainment, for food, or simply because of gratuitous cruelty and sadism.

Boycott movies that involve real animal violence! (and their directors too)

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LOL @ the OP. Calm the *beep* down. It's a damn good movie, who cares what they did to make it?

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I feel sorry for those people who honestly think that humans are some great masters of this world and have the right to do whatever makes them happy, be it the killing and torturing of defenseless animals for entertainment or performing vivisection on a crying monkey.

No living being should ever be killed for any reason at all. The people writing on the internet do not live in a jungle or a forest, so they do not need meat protein to survive. We have the possibility to buy our foods from a store, we do not have to pretend to be hunters. It is possible to survive on a plant based diet, for there are numerous sources of protein available. There is simply no need for any kinds of animal products, not anymore. We also don't need fur coats or leather shoes or any of that *beep*

We pretend to be so evolved and so smart with our new technology but when it comes to animal issues, we still wanna act like savages. Why is that?

And by the way, not all of us vegans are smelly hippies who preach about their love for cute animals. If you saw me, you would never guess I've been a vegan for many many years...

GO VEGAN.

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Not squeamish at all but i was shocked by the animal killings.Bear Grylls does it today - but somehow it feels a lot worse in the movie.

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this is one of my favourite movies ever... i love it... but i really wish the animal scenes were fake. I have a hard time watching them, to the point i skip those bits now. I'd like to see a version with the animal torture cut... i can sit and watch all the human torture, mutilation and murder (because i know its fake) but i just wish the animal stuff was never in it.

However... if that was never filmed... would it have the atmosphere and cult appeal that i love? : /

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i watched this film in the early 80s didnt realise then the animal killing was real i watched it again recently and i couldnt it just turned my stomach and anyone who gets a kick out of watching it is sick and yes i would watch an animal killing free version

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While I disagree with the notion that filming of animals being killed (and being eaten afterwards) is wrong, I do agree that filming of animals being killed (and not tortured afterwards) and tortured (doesn't matter if they're eaten or not) is wrong.

However, it should be pointed out that humans are capable of great and terrible things, such as the atrocities committed by the Germans and the Japanese during WWII (The Holocaust for the Germans, Unit 731 for the Japanese). I also believe that humans are in fact the true monsters of this world. There may be many animals that are capable of cruel and barbaric acts, such as chimpanzees (cannibalism of infants, rape, etc.), dolphins (rape, killing for fun, etc.), ducks (just plain rape), etc., but humans better at doing them than other species. This is not something to be taken in a positive light. This is just the plain, horrible truth.

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it's no cool when animals are being tortured and killed in movies, even if they not trully dying, i don;t think any animal are paid for his role . Especially if animal is being killed -which screw up all and every movie, cause it's cruel and sick. They don't want to die for entertaining some sick kids. Those who finds scenes of animal killing normal are cause and effect of degradation of morality and humanity

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I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people commenting on this film haven't actually seen it, they've only heard second-hand accounts of it and simply think of it in terms of it's grisly reputation. Now I'm not personally sure why real animal killings were such a consistent trope in Italian cannibal movies; CH certainly wasn't the first movie in the genre to use material like this. But in this film it does actually I think serve a higher purpose - it both successfully blurs the line between 'primitive savage' and 'civilised man', which was the entire point of the narrative, and it also effectively makes the 'found footage' of the humans being raped and killed all the more convincing. The animal killings, which are obviously real, condition the viewer into unconsciously accepting that everything depicted onscreen is a true event. The shaky, deteriorated and erratic nature of this 'found footage' then cleverly underscores that, increasing the sense of drama while making it harder to detect the special effects.

Cannibal Holocaust is one of the very few exploitation films that really has a lot to say about the human condition, and the decision to stray into 'mondo' territory is maybe questionable, but this aspect of the movie is one that really seems to overshadow any appreciation of it's artistic qualities. And, as I've outlined above, it's not difficult to see how the animal deaths could be seen as artistically justified, in the context of the movie as a whole. Notice I'm using the word 'artistically' and not 'morally', as these are distinct and separate concepts. There will always be art that some, if not the majority of people will find offensive. It is just as hard to come to a consensus on how morality integrates with art, as it is to define what constitutes 'Art' in the first place.

There is a lot of talk on these message boards about the 'torture' of the animals involved; actually the deaths shown are fairly humane, at least in keeping with traditional or 'primitve' customs. They are not as sophisticated or efficient as modern slaughterhouse techniques, but then neither should we expect them to be. The death of the turtle provokes the most extreme reaction because it is the most visceral, but the animal is beheaded quickly and is certainly not tortured to death. All these animals were subsequently eaten by the cast and crew, so you can't really talk about them being 'needlessly' killed if you yourself are happy to eat meat. And this is fundamentally the most important thing to remember: unless you're a hardline vegan or you make every effort to ensure that the meat (and any animal products) you eat is organic, humanely reared and slaughtered, then you've very likely participated in something that is equally bad, if not worse. If you've ever eaten at KFC, or had a low-rent ommelette at some place like Denny's or an Egg-McMuffin, then you've eaten chicken or eggs that were produced in 'boilerhouse' conditions that are much more inhumane and cruel than anything you'll see in this film. If more people witnessed the conditions that most animals are reared in, had to watch them being slaughtered or even had to do it themselves, then far less of them would eat meat at all. Yet these same people are undoubtably rushing to condemn this movie outright. Get some perspective.

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Interesting how long this debate has gone on. Personally, am I a vegan, and I this movie is what showed me the hypocrisy of eating meat! (OK, not really, I stopped a few years after watching this.) The animal killing scenes do make this hard for me to re-watch, but so do the violence on human scenes (even knowing they're simulated). I guess it depends on the reason you are condemning the violence. Is it because you don't believe it should happen now/in the future? There are laws against this, so what would be the purpose of condemning a film from 30 years ago? Is it because any exposure to viewing such cruelty makes one more desensitized to real cruelty? That's one of those tricky arguments that applies to many horror movies (with real or simulated violence), so there's no easy answer to that.

Maybe Deodato shouldn't have been so exploitative to either animals or his human actors (he was controlling, sadistic, and didn't fairly compensate everyone). But the film is made, does his immoral practices in making it mean we shouldn't watch it? I'm not saying the animal killings are justified, just that they're not a reason to ban, or not watch it out of moral indignation. If it makes you uncomfortable, then don't watch it. Condemning it won't do any good because it's already done.

On the other hand, the "for art's sake" doesn't justify the killings either. They could have been simulated and had the same effect. Obviously the fact that some have thought the human violence in the film is real shows just how blurred the line is between what is real and what is simulated. And I don't buy the argument that if the animal killings weren't real, the rest of the film wouldn't be as believable. We can't "undo" the film to know simulated killings wouldn't have had the same effect.

Also, the bull about animals being killed on reality shows doesn't hold up either. Those shows are just as bad, and for reasons beyond just the killing of animals during filming.

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They kill animals all the time on those survivor shows on the discovery channel. Dual Survival, Man vs. Wild, and Survivorman all feature the killing of animals. How was this any different?

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^exactly!

Nobody cares about the hundreds of bugs that die on I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here during every trial. Why? I guess because a maggot isn't as cute as a monkey. Have you ever killed a spider in your bathtube OP??? Or swatted a moschito? Double standards no???

There's a show here in the UK called Bear Grills: Born Survior - he literally catches a frog and bites it's head off on camera. He was not starving, he was simply showing us how you would survive in that situation. Is that also wrong? I don't think so...

Obviously it's no longer necessary to physically kill an animal for a movie, what with modern CGI, but this movie was made 30 years ago ferchrisake!! Get over it.

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