Why was his death bigger than the others? - George Floyd Discussion

[–] Crocodile (3129) 4 years ago

Elections

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[–] onemanarmy82 (1764) 4 years ago

^^^^^^^This

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[–] samoanjoes (57047) 4 years ago

Good point.

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[–] ChipDouglas (1607) 4 years ago

how did elections play a role in this?

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[–] TheArgentinian (7108) 4 years ago

Right wing conspiracy theory. Pay no mind.

It was a big deal because it was filmed.

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Many others were filmed too. Some of them much more egregious. It was the elections.

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Yep you can find lots of video of people being killed, often in much more horrible ways. The social media and media are not only censoring what is shown but also over playing other things to try and control the population. Why did the media keep video of muslims pushing gays off the rooftops off away from view? Because they were all working concert to convince the people in the US that Islam is a peaceful religion and you can't very well do that if you've got 24/7 videos going of these "peaceful" muslims killing gays for fun.

With Floyd they wanted to divide the US and showing a white cop killing a black man was great for that purpose. If Floyd had been a white man they wouldn't have shown the video nearly as much if at all, and the odds are if you wanted to find video of a white man killed by police it would be much easier to find than of a black man being killed because there are more than twice as many whites killed by police than blacks.

Now who knows why the media worked to hard to fan the flames of discontent. It may be have been for elections, it may have simply been because creating riots creates opportunities for more news coverage that is easier to get to than a war in the Middle East.... Who the fuck really knows why the media did what they did, but the simple fact is they were making an effort to create the problems.

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[–] jonathan_k80 (6436) 4 years ago

Elections...? Wrong! I don't get your point.

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[–] BeenSavage (642) 3 years ago

"Mic drop"

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[–] B1cKsurN (17484) 3 years ago

This. They did it in 2016 too. Search Alton Sterling, and Philando Castille.

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[–] ColumboKate (5678) 4 years ago

I think because it is such a visual video it upset people of all ethnicities.

I think it resonated around the world because all countries have issues with police and racism, but especially in this case, as he was restrained and then suffocated (rather than shot) means this situation could happen anywhere in the world.

It struck a nerve that people want more from their police forces and less violence from our "protectors" .

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[–] StinkyPoopyPants (3118) 4 years ago

Exactly what I was going to say.

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[–] samoanjoes (57047) 4 years ago

This one did seem a little more obvious than others.

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[–] TheArgentinian (7108) 4 years ago

What do you mean by obvious?

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[–] samoanjoes (57047) 4 years ago

That he was murdered.

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

It was less obvious than many. You can argue it was unintentional killing and simply caused by not paying attention of by using poor judgement... you can't do that when you have a video of a cop shooting an unarmed person or shooting someone in the back... in those cases it is much more obvious that the cop just wanted to kill the person.

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[–] maul (1640) 4 years ago

So the Daniel Shaver video wasn't a "visual video" either? You know, killed in the hallway by the cop in a twisted Simon Says game (with "YOU'RE FUCKED" printed on the cop's gun)?

He was white, so I guess that it didn't matter as much. Couldn't be used for today's leftist narratives. You know, if this whole thing was about police brutality in general, more people would have been on board.

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[–] ColumboKate (5678) 4 years ago

Did you read my post? I specifically said because he wasn't shot. Not every country has guns.

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[–] ccr1633 (1524) 3 years ago

Eric Garner wasn't shot either, yet far more massive coverage than for Daniel Shaver.

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[–] nte1igentwon (957) 3 years ago

Exactly. I would also add the casual callousness and matter of fact disregard displayed by law enforcement juxtaposed with the frantic pleas of concern by the public probably led to the visceral worldwide response.

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[–] OvertonPendulum (4026) 3 years ago

The US police doesn't have an issue with "racism". That is a myth.

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[–] chilone (17913) 3 years ago

Except racism wasn't there.

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[–] bozo_500 (13150) 4 years ago

fb/utube

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[–] JoWilli2 (855) 3 years ago

prontube...

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[–] onemanarmy82 (1764) 4 years ago

Does it really matter? Once his family collects the hood lottery, it’ll be “George Who?”. This whole thing was ALL about the 2020 election.

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[–] samoanjoes (57047) 4 years ago

I can't believe he got $27 million. The victims of his crimes got nothing except for his jail time.

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[–] onemanarmy82 (1764) 4 years ago

“$27 million”? Why is it these assholes’ families get more money than they wouldn’t have earned if they lived to be 10 million? George Floyd wasn’t worth the hair in the crack of Derek Chauvin’s ass!

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6138) 4 years ago

Well the court did not see it that way. Chauvin will be rotting in jail.

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[–] onemanarmy82 (1764) 4 years ago

And Floyd in hell...

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6138) 4 years ago

Doesn't take away that your boy is done. It's been decided The people have spoken.

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[–] onemanarmy82 (1764) 4 years ago

Appeals.... Nothing is over yet. Maxine and the rest of the ghetto trash in Congress ran their stupid mouths talking about inciting violence....

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6138) 4 years ago

Biden is your president and they are your leaders. If Biden succeeds America succeeds. If you don't like what's going on I suggest you leave the country.

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[–] onemanarmy82 (1764) 4 years ago

Corn Pop Joe with the hairy legs?🤣

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6138) 4 years ago

Lol I don't even like Biden. I just like rubbing it in that he won to blind far right wing bigots like you.

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[–] onemanarmy82 (1764) 4 years ago

I don't support the same bleeding heart causes that you do, that makes someone a "bigot"?

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6138) 4 years ago

Nope going off things you have said here bud. Your brain is so biased you aren't credible. You view cops as infallible. You will side with an officer first rather than be fair and judge it based on whether if it is right or wrong. There is corruption everywhere remember that.

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[–] onemanarmy82 (1764) 4 years ago

Have you ever worked/lived in a rough neighborhood? My guess is no. Try working/living in a blue city, and THEN tell me you don't respect the police! btw: Coming from a Democrat, the word "bigot" doesn't mean jack shit.

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6138) 4 years ago

Yep I have! I grew up with a single mom and two younger siblings. Living off of ramen noodles and hamburger helper. Living in areas where crime was frequent. I respect good police but like anything there are bad ones as well. Not all cops are bad but not all cops are good either.

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[–] onemanarmy82 (1764) 4 years ago

Have you ever committed a crime?

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6138) 4 years ago

Nope not once.

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[–] onemanarmy82 (1764) 4 years ago

Great! So, why the negative outlook on police? If you never committed a crime then, you’re fine. You ever notice that cops arrest people like George, Eric Garner, Michael Brown... And the media won’t release toxicity reports, rap sheets... There’s only pictures of high school graduations, church choirs, sitting with their baby mamas....
Why is that????

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6138) 4 years ago

See and this is a fundamental flaw with your thought process. You don't have the right to treat someone like garbage or commit police brutality just because they are committing a crime. You realize people have been locked up for over 20 years simply for smoking weed right? They are law enforcement officers not judge jury and executioners. See that attitude is so disconnected from reality. Well I don't have that problem so meh.

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[–] onemanarmy82 (1764) 4 years ago

I have my violin, any requests?

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6138) 4 years ago

Here is a quote for you. Read, listen and learn it might help you.

"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are."

Ben Franklin.

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[–] onemanarmy82 (1764) 4 years ago

Save it. I learned enough working in the hood. I’ve heard, seen and been the victim of racism/anti-Semitism.

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6138) 4 years ago

So have I. Difference is I am not a bigot like you.

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[–] onemanarmy82 (1764) 4 years ago

Being called a “bigot” by a liberal doesn’t mean too much. Look at your politicians and tell me who the REAL “bigots” are!

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6138) 4 years ago

Where did I say I supported any politicians? I didn't support Biden or Trump. Your strawman is noted and dismissed.

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[–] triplea (3577) 3 years ago

Just like poc...

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[–] TimMC (9143) 4 years ago

They built up a lie.

They = the insanely vile media.

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[–] ManToTrust (1660) 4 years ago

Bingo

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[–] samoanjoes (57047) 4 years ago

I don't trust any media. It doesn't matter if it's liberal or conservative.

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[–] TimMC (9143) 4 years ago

Exactly!!!

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[–] TheArgentinian (7108) 4 years ago

DaE meDiA.

This would have been a big scandal even if the media didn't cover it.

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[–] HelpMeRhonda (1158) 4 years ago

Oh it's a scandal all right.

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[–] chilone (17913) 3 years ago

No it wouldn't hundreds of these cases get no attention, at all.

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[–] horrorfan000 (2317) 4 years ago

Identity politics.The value of a victims worth is judged by the pigmentation of their skin.Let me ask you this.Do you think there would have been nearly this much national and political attention if Floyd had been a white guy.

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[–] redban (6318) 4 years ago

Really came down to race — people saw the incident as an act of racism

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[–] samoanjoes (57047) 4 years ago

That has been the case with so many of these cases.

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[–] jonathan_k80 (6436) 4 years ago

It was the fact that the killing was clearly captured on video. Past incidents had to rely on eyewitness accounts, which can be unreliable. Or on police body-cam footage. There have been too many times where an officer "forgot to turn on the body-cam." I've seen the Minneapolis police body-cam videos and you don't get a wide panoramic view. In the body-cam footage of George Floyd, whether or not the officer put a knee to his neck was inconclusive.

The bystander video made everything clear. In previous cases of police brutality, nothing could be proven to the point where there was no doubt. The accusations were brushed off as hypotheses or the result of biased witnesses.

The camera revealed the truth in all its ugliness. There was no question as to what happened.

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[–] TheArgentinian (7108) 4 years ago

This. But they don't want to hear it. It's all about some liberal conspiracy.
OP wants to have his belief validated.

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[–] samoanjoes (57047) 4 years ago

What belief? There was nothing that I said in my original post that was opinion. No other death by someone who died by police received this much attention.

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6138) 4 years ago

Bingo. You hit the nail on the head.

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[–] samoanjoes (57047) 4 years ago

I think the Eric Garner one (the original "I can't breathe" guy) was obvious as well. He was being choked and 6 cops were charged.

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[–] redban (6318) 4 years ago

The officer was not indicted for the Garner case ... the Staten Island grand jury declined to prosecute. Federal officials also decided not to file charges

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[–] samoanjoes (57047) 4 years ago

I don't remember if any were found guilty, but I remember 6 were charged. 3 of them weren't white and people stopped saying that it was racist cops who killed him.

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[–] redban (6318) 4 years ago

You might be thinking of another incident? Garner’s death didn’t involve 6 officers getting charged. It was one - Officer Pantaleo. The Staten Island DA tried to bring charges against Pantaleo, but the grand jury decline to prosecute, based on insufficient evidence. So Pantaleo walked. He got fired from his job though.

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[–] samoanjoes (57047) 4 years ago

Maybe 6 officers were involved, but none were charged other than the one you mentioned.

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[–] Otter (24464) 4 years ago

The fact that it was all clearly caught on video, *and* the fact that it wasn't the usual split-second crisis.

Most police killings happen in a few seconds, where things are moving fast and confusedly and the officer doesn't necessarily intend to kill, like the recent episode where there was a melee and the girl who'd originally called for help was killed. This was slooowww. Chauvin was kneeling on Floyd's neck for EIGHT OR NINE MINUTES, long enough that his leg muscles must have been cramping, 500-odd seconds ticking by, and in every one of those seconds or the billions of microseconds that went by, Chauvin could have decided that Floyd was no longer a threat and he'd better get up before he committed murder... but he decided to spend that second or microsecond sitting on a man's neck knowing damn well it could kill. I mean, try holding your breath for nine minutes, and see how long that really is!

The slowness of it all made it obvious that this was a deliberate killing, and it's pretty clear that many police killings are not deliberate. Chauvin could have elected to stop at any moment, it was his legal professional duty to stop and it would have been more physically comfortable as well, but he didn't. He chose, minute by minute and second by second, to keep choking a man knowing full well it was likely to kill.

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[–] jonathan_k80 (6436) 4 years ago

Yes, it was deliberate. The video captured the smug look on his face. That's what I found the most infuriating.

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