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Animals are not innocent and I don't know how this myth started.


We keep hearing how humans are terrible and how animals are better than us. I call shenanigans. They can just be as evil as humans. Bears have an instinct to kill. Lions maul you if you are within their vicinity. Cats claw you for no reason. Dogs attack you for no reason. Snakes bite. Sharks will tear your limbs off. Animals kill other animals for food. Let's stop this myth and call animals what they really are: murderers.

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Bunny rabbits?

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You should see the link in the comment atomicgirl put.

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And they treat their women like sh!t!

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Even on international women's day.

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ok that reply made me laugh good job bud

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đŸ˜±đŸ˜  Oh no they dint!

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After reading this thread I feel like I’ve went down the rabbit hole and landed on Thumper...or is it Humper...đŸ€” Hmm? Anyhoo, the drakes and the ducks/hens do take their “Brood of Ducklings to Work Day”. The hens let out a soft “quack quack” after mating (actually after being raped!). The drakes do a whistle while thinking “Got me some!” Damn drakes!

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Those hens need some little whips to put those drakes in their place!

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You got that right! Also, I wonder if red stilettos are available for webbed feet? After all the quit smoking turkey in the tv ads goes fishing, sight seeing, ice skating, camping, seems to do everything. I know turkeys don’t have webbed feet, but it was just a thought. After all they are both fowl.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/Z6rr/chantix-ice-skating-turkey

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Male bears will kill the cubs of female bears, then the female bear gets instantly horny and will mate with the male that just killed their cubs.

Cute!

The reality is that animals are neither good nor evil.

They don't have ethical concepts and so they can't be either. The definition of courage is to do something positive even though you are afraid. Animals can't be courageous because they can't form concepts about the future.

Animals are basically robots and some have some basic emotions and probably feeling based "ideas" for lack of a better word. Dogs are clearly like that, but a dog doesn't have enough intelligence to know it is hurting you by tearing up the couch or that it is being fun and giving you a reason to live because you are lonely.

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Exactly. I don't like when people make animals sound so innocent even though they can be just as evil as humans whether they intend to or not.

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To commit a crime you have to have intent. Intent means planning and I'm not sure animals can plan to do negative things.

Animals are like I've said, robots.

The cruelty come from the bizarre happenstance of evolution.

It is weird that humans do a lot of things that animals do.

I have noticed that in many baby murders, it will be a guy who is a boyfriend of the mother and the baby isn't his. There are many animals who will kill babies then try to mate with the female.

The cuckoo bird is an interesting example.

The female will find a nest of other type birds, kick out the eggs, then lay her eggs in the nest, then leave. The other species birds then have to raise the cuckoo baby, who tends to eat a lot. So, the female cuckoo does not have to expend energy raising her baby while other birds do.

There are TONS of human females who do this. It is a "ghetto woman" thing to do. She will leave her babies with someone else while she goes and parties.

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I agree. Since animals don't have a human sense of morals, it's unfair to call them "evil".

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Yes, even the smartest animals probably have no clear intentions.

On an interesting note, I used to live in Denver Co. They have big Fox Squirrels and I love squirrels. I had a back porch and they used to come up to me because I'd feed them.

I had a big bowl out and I'd fill it with nuts.

The woman I was living with didn't like animals and enjoyed trying to control me, so she said, no more nuts. So, I stopped filling the bowl. When squirrels would come I would throw them a handful of nuts.

One day, one of the top squirrels, lol, showed up. She refused to eat the nuts I threw. She kept looking at me, then the bowl, and back and forth. Then, she walked to the bowl, put her paws on it, and bounced up and down showing me, I want the bowl filled!

That made me feel terrible and I said I couldn't, for real. Then, she ate the nuts I threw.

Squirrels are one of the 10 smartest animals and that was really amazing to me. It was CLEARLY telling me it wanted food in the bowl.

Human babies have this thing called Object Permanence where if you show them a ball then hide it behind your hand, they think it disappeared. That goes away as abstract reasoning forms. It was obvious to me that squirrels knew what the bowl was for and how it was different when the food was gone AND what it could be if food was in it. And, they knew who put food in it, which was me.

It was a high quality moment.

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Animals can be smart in their own say. :)

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Yep, that was my point.

They just never get to our level of contemplating and planning.

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Pavlov and his dogs say woof.

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For meat.

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Ring My Bell

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Blame Disney for that. Mickey Mouse is why.

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But can we admit that humans are also terrible? The difference between isn't innocence, but instinct. Humans are supposed to be able to fight theirs, whereas animals we know have a much harder time. And animals don't claim that they're innocent.

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As I said, animals can be just as evil as humans.

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Okay, fair.

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Cats are malicious little devils. I love them!!

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The human animal is the only one to kill for sport...unless it’s dog fights or rooster fights. But then, it’s the human’s involvement which cause the fights.

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^ This. Dog and cock fights may occasionally occur naturally as a battle for territory, but it's only humans who create these fights, for our "entertainment." No other species does that.

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Have you ever seen a cat toy with a wounded animal and keep it alive for the fun of it? Is it killer whales that flip wounded sea lions over and over before the kill? Im pretty sure there are others.

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It’s instinct. Not evil. Other than humans animals are not evil; they have no soul. See the following from a very informative article. It explained why domesticated cats do what you questioned.

https://www.cuteness.com/blog/content/why-do-cats-torture-their-prey

That Uncertain Feeling
Uncertainty is another reason why your cat may seem to like torturing it's quarry. If your cat feels its prey isn't a hundred percent dead, kitty may continue to toy with it to be certain it can't come back and retaliate. It's sort of a feline self-defense!
Cuddly..But Cruel?
Yes, an indoor cat that catches a mouse and tortures it may be doing it for play (and, in a way, for pleasure)—but this doesn't necessarily translate into cruelty as we humans define it. Remember that a domestic cat who's never resided outside and learned how to kill from its mother doesn't have an innate desire to kill their prey, but they are instilled at birth with the desire to chase things and play with them (in order to learn how to kill) even after their prey is mutilated or dead. So, yes, Mother Nature saw fit to give a cat a sense of "pleasure" whenever they engage in hunting and wearing out (a.k.a. toying with) their victims. It's a toy and a game to the domestic cat, and, for the wild cat, survival.

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No soul?? Wait when I go to heaven im not going to be able to pet any kitty’s??

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I’m with you on that point. I hope my beloved Mom is waiting with my fur babies at Rainbow Bridge. How glorious that would be! The age old question as to whether our beloved pets go to heaven since they have no soul, but they do love. They love us unconditionally which is not the case with most humans.

Being a Christian I once asked a fellow Christian your question. Her answer gave me comfort as I was so deep into grief over the death of my Sweet Missy Girl. I had shut myself off from everyone sobbing constantly. I couldn’t eat. I couldn’t sleep. This was 24/7. After 3 weeks of deep mourning and guilt I went to see her. She asked me “Do you believe Jesus is your closest friend?” I replied with a yes. “Well then, wouldn’t your closest friend want you to be happy in heaven surrounded by those you dearly loved?”

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That was a wonderfully heartfelt reply. Your friends advice is indeed comforting.

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Thanks, it’s been over 20 years and I still choke up when telling someone about My Sweet Missy Girl. Maybe I love my fur babies too much which some would say is unhealthy.

I recall many, many years ago while at work one of my co-workers arrived with a red face and swollen eyes. She explained she had just put down her little dog. “She was the only one who loved me unconditionally. The only one who was so happy to see me come home. It didn’t matter if I had scolded her...her love for me never wavered.” I didn’t have a pet at the time. I had empathy for my co-worker, but it wasn’t until I lost one did I fully understand her words and her grief.

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Not to to point out the obvious, but we humans are also animals.

Cats don't claw or dogs attack for no reason. It's that we humans, being a different species, don't understand why they claw or attack. Same as they, being a different species, don't understand why we do what we do.

Most other species don't kill, or harm, for sport, as we humans do. If you consider killing another for food to be murder, or protecting territory, we're all guilty of that. If you consider killing for sport murder, it's pretty much only humans who do that.

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