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That's NOT how it works, even though the show tries very hard to make us believe that.
It's still just 'access to memories' that will 'die', not YOU. There is no personality that will die, there's no soul that will detach the physical body besides the one soul that was always there.
It's the same individual, the only thing that would happen is that you'd forget a lot of stuff. That's it. It would not affect who you are, what you are, how you talk, what you like, what you hate, your personality, your self.. you would still remain exactly as you are.
This show tries to make us believe you can just create a personality out of scratch, and that it's somehow DEATH if that personality ceases to be. However, it's not a personality, it's just YOU experiencing things in a different memory state - if that state will be erased, you still exist, so nothing and no one died.
The thing is, he's not confronting and processing, dealing with his problem, but trying to ESCAPE it, and that never works.
You have to confront your fears, your problems, your hang-ups, not try to run away from them. That only brings more problems.
Besides, isn't the movie 'Memento' telling us the EXACT OPPOSITE? "How am I supposed to heal if I can't feel time"
This guy can FEEL the pain, just not remember the cause, so how is this even helping him?
It's just a flimsy writer's excuse to create a silly premise. Hypnosis would've been SO much more realistic and better anyway, since memory does NOT reside in the physical brain (proven by war veterans that had lost most of their brain and still had all their memories).
No, it wouldn't, because it's not a different 'self'.
You are still the same you all the time, your access to your memories are just selectively restricted. The way they SHOW it in this show is wrong; you absolutely wouldn't just seem to jump from one day's end to next day's beginning - there would be haziness about it, and feeling of time having passed and even memory confusion, because you were JUST thinking about other things that you now forgot.
You would still FEEL as if the time has passed, you just wouldn't remember what OCCURRED.
Also, you would STILL get the leisure activities, you would still get the sleep, you would still get everything to keep your body and mind healthy, so why would you go insane?
Think of it from the perspective of the 'outie' (so stupid that these are supposedly separate people and these names ar even stupider); it's constant holiday without any work. After all, you live BOTH existences, and SOME side of you remembers both (just not at the same time).
You ABSOLUTELY wouldn't be a different personality due to this kind of memory shift.
That's not how it works.
It's not that you BECOME something else - it's just that your memory becomes 'locationally restricted' - you are not able to remember certain things when you are in one location, you are not able to remember other things when you are in another. A silly premise, but that's the way it goes.
You are still BOTH 'innie' and 'outie', it's just that your access to your memories changes selectively.
Don't be so confused, it's an easy premise.
I also wonder about people's personalities, and why they would even change.
Someone that has lived in a palace, being served everything, and had everything done for them by servants, would not be a feisty, resourceful individual, they would expect the same treatment to continue, and when it doesn't, they would be SHOCKED and seek someone to complain to (which explains Karens of the world).
This woman, however, acts and behaves like she has never been in any high position in her life. Just because she doesn't remember something, doesn't change her BEHAVIOUR, she would still have those instincts, for crying out loud.
So just erasing memory doesn't completely CHANGE you - you will still have the same values, you will still have the same desires, likes, hates, and so on. But this show's makers want us to think it does. Look, if you hate injustice, then lose your memory, you won't suddenly love injustice - you will still hate it. This is proven by people losing their memory when they come to this world (kind of this show's premise in a slightly less psychotic, less ridiculous and more cosmic-scale form), and yet retaining their spiritual cultivation level and value system.
It's ridiculous there's no physical security, no security guards, no robots or anything. People still just OBEY, which is so unrealistic I almost shut off the whole thing.
Why would someone as rebellious as the woman is just OBEY when someone says 'get in there' or 'read this'. She says 'I don't want to', but she should've been sayign "FCK YOU!!" while punching the guy very hard in the eye, stealing the security key and escaping the compound with any notes she wants to write herself.
I mean, if all of them just attacked the bosses physically, they would EASILY WIN and conquer everything.
PROVEN by the only scene where anything like this happens - the 'whistleblower woman' uses a baseball bat with the security guy and BAM! now they have a keycard. ALL because of a bit of violence that NO ONE EVER TRIES TO USE when they're being 'handled' and ordered around.
What? Why? The woman is ready to throw the speaker to the protagonist guy's forehead, but she's not willing to do anything more, and always OBEYS when someone says 'come' or 'go in there' or 'read this', and her only objection to 'read this' was a weak 'I don't want to'. She is under no obligation to tell anyone her wants or feelings, just QUESTION that order, you incongruent hag! Ask why should I, or tell him let me out or I will bash your skull in or whatever.
There should either be security, or people should PHYSICALLY REBEL, the situation, as it is, without hypnosis or any proper mind control, is ridiculous, because there's also no bodily physical control.
WHY DO PEOPLE OBEY SO EASILY?!
(I know there are books about 'Compliance', but come on.. the woman hadn't even read those books)
In my opinion, the premise is a bit silly, because you can't REALLY work effectively if you forget everything about the outside world. You would have to be TAUGHT many basic concepts, like 'weight' or 'mass', 'atoms', 'protons' and so on.
The only reason why something that would ever be a thing that I can figure out, is 'sensitive information', but all these people do is some insignifigant number tossing, that somehow scares them (not explained how this works, though.. how can NUMBERS SCARE YOU?!).
It makes no sense. Only the corporation would really benefit for something so stupid.. also, treating people as 'different personalities' just because their memory functions differently based on their location (which means the flip/switch CAN be automated somehow, so no need for Dylan to hang onto badly designed security keys/levers/whatever).
Then again, even the corporation wouldn't really benefit from it.
If they really have no memory, why even let them ever become their 'normal' selves? The corporation could just keep them inside indefinitely, and they wouldn't know any different. They wouldn't know that any other world even exists, they wouldn't know about 'countries' or 'parents' or anything.
Wouldn't HYPNOSIS be a more effective, less harmful and more plausible way to do this anyway? Installing a stupid CHIP into your skull being normalized is just insane, probably partially why they made this show.
Using hypnosis would be not only more effective, the corporation could do ANYTHING they want with it, not just some memory thing. They could increase loyalty, brainwash the people, and doing this every time they come to work .. heck, WHY LET THEM EVER GO HOME or even HAVE a life outside the corporation?
They could just keep them under heavy hypnosis, make them sleep eight hours every night, and wake them up with gentle hypnosis, work as effectively as they can, etc.
I mean, it's all about control, but there's basically no security .. nothing physical anyway.
Plus, the pixel sizes seem to change and fluctuate, and the 'animations' (which there wouldn't have been on a char-based 1970s computer system that those things look like) are way too smooth and fluid.
Also, if the systems CAN use color (and clearly, they can), there's no reason for the monochromatic graphics (not that there was much in the way of graphics anyway).
This movie can't seem to COMPLETELY make up its mind whether these people are BRAINWASHED, or SYNTHETIC PERSONALITIES (that don't match with the original), or just MEMORY-RESTRICTED people. It seems to fluctuate inbetween, and I think it's a bit ridiculous that they talk about 'waking up' or 'being awake' meaning the MORE MEMORY-RESTRICTED version of their minds. How is it not just as much 'waking up' when they switch to their more normal mode, where they can more freely remember their whole history?
I guess this movie is trying to make us guess which is real - the original personality that remembers their childhood, or the 'erased memory' version that only remembers work stuff.
And Delaware, for some reason..
My point is, who decides WHAT of the outside world they can remember and based on what criteria? They seem to know what a 'pie' is, but they are never fed anything that healthy in the workplace, so why do they know that word? Is language also affected, or do they remember and somehow understand all the english language they normally would, but without understanding the CONTEXT of words of things they have no memory of?
Would they understand cultural references, for example? Would they recognize Mickey Mouse, if they have no memory of it? Would they only recognize it visually but not know what the name is, and would they be able to conjure up a visual if they heard those words?
I mean, you can't REALLY do much corporate work effectively if you can't know anything about the outside world - can you even use language properly? Idioms? Jokes? Metaphors? Famous sayings, quotes, anecdotes, lyrics?
..getting to see what happened with the ridiculously old 'happy couple' (that G-word means 'happy' originally), and so on.
A couple of ridiculous things.. how come the old geezer knows not only that cars need keys, what car keys look like, what traffic is, how to drive a car, what certain model of car is supposed to look like AND SO ON - how come he can operate a map and then utilize it while driving, which 'that personality' has never done? Maybe there's some muscle memory and such, but he should be ABSOLUTELY terrified even attempting to drive a car. He shouldn't even know what car driving is or that it's possible, or what cars look like and so on.
He should be COMPLETELY disoriented by the sudden 'moving world' around the car, and not be able to relate his position in three-dimensional reality when it comes to driving.
It takes a LONG time to learn how to drive a car, but this guy is INSTANT expert. Then how come he can't remember other things? Why is the memory so SELECTIVE?
Why would he have CONVENIENTLY located Burt with a big X on a map anyway? How come he INSTANTLY knows where to look for for that information? What happened to the computers, internet maps and search engines, why paper map?
Why can an old, 8-bit-looking computer display REALTIME VOXEL graphics and animations that would've taken MEGABYTES of memory to display? Not to mention the crystal-clear SAMPLES..
Is this movie taking place in the seventies or is it 2022? I mean, you see the irresistible rectangular minicomputers (because OF COURSE you have to pander to smartphone zombies and women's baby rabies in every single story ever, I am just surprised there wasn't a marriage (or could've been, I skip over that stuff)), but then they work on really inefficient-looking systems straight from the seventies (not that THOSE ever really existed, but whatever).
I always thought the screen display looks just SO wrong. The pixels are wrong size for the monitor, it's not a honest resolution..
So this guy takes this demanding office job that seems to have no meaning..
(and we STILL don't know what that corporation does, which is just complete CHEATING.. you can't create a mystery like that and then just drag it for 9 episodes, never revealing it! The last episode should at least tell us everything we want to know, EVEN if there's a second season coming - this is just unfair to the viewer, dangling a carrot and never letting us closer to it)..
..just to get over the wife, who ALSO took a job in the same corporation (somehow?), without her EVER knowing that HE also works in the corporation, or that they work together, and so on.
Erasing memory doesn't erase emotions (even according to this movie), so why would it even work? Why would the protagonist think it's helping him?
Why did Petey (or whatever his name was) escape from his own doctor and not follow her post-op instructions? What happened there anyway? Why are the maps completely useless, but we spend SO much time showing that they might be important?
Petey seemed like a typical 'wise man with information' you see in shows, but then she just turns out to be a crazy old man that dies. What the .. why?
On one hand, this show subverts your expectations in an unsatisfying way (Petey could've been such a wonderful character with his inside knowledge, but I guess not), and THEN it uses clichés instead of something original, which is also unsatisfying. It's like it uses clichés when it's not good, but never when it would be good.
The ending I have seen in SO many movies, stories, TV shows, etc. that it's kind of boring already. Watch Charlie Sheen's 'The Arrival' and then the newer movie 'Moon', and TELL me the endings are not pretty much exactly the same.
I really was hoping to see more at the end; getting to know what happened with the 'wife that didn't die in car crash but the husband for some reason believes she did, and who never contacted her husband to tell him she's alive'..
Lilly James is not a Leo, but she IS a sign of fire, like Leo is (Aries), so ok..
Isn't there enough blasphemy in this very satanic-masonic movie without your topic having to include some?
She's not GORGEOUS, she is a typical Leo.
Leos are often 'mediocre-looking' or 'lower-than-mediocre-looking', BUT then they radiate incredible charm and charisma that make you almost fall in love with them.
It's like they have expressive personality that turns the 'almost meh'-face into something that FEELS good and charming, so powerfully that if you don't stop and think about it, you might THINK she's beautiful and gorgeous, when the reality is that technically, she isn't, but she just seduced you with her Leo-typical femininity.
Leo-men are similarly masculine as well.
Not all Leos, of course, but every time this kind of effect has hit me, I have predicted 'she must be a Leo', and look - she is!
Britt Lower has EXACTLY this Leo-charm-effect that kinda drew me in, too, so I knew she must be Leo before I checked, and yep.. I was right.
Young Abe Natsumi, Erika Toda, Mila Kunis and Debra Messing are good examples of this effect. The (relatively) cute neighbour-girl that doesn't seem that extraordinary on first sight, but who can charm your socks off if you let them move, speak and express themselves for awhile in various ways, like acting.
It's an amazing effect, and every time it hits me, it turns out to be a Leo, so I have to think there's something to this.
By the way, please learn to use the Oxford Comma.
"What Lorraine?" would mean "Which of all these Lorraines are we talking about", "What is this thing called Lorraine?", or "Why are you talking about some Lorraine, when nothing like that exists here?", or something like that.
"What Lorraine" is talking ABOUT 'Lorraine', and asking the question "what" about 'Lorraine'.
Without Oxford Comma, it doesn't have the meaning you seem to think it does. George NEVER says "What Lorraine", he says "What, Lorraine.. what?"
It's also not "What, Lorraine? ... What?"
You can't have punctuation, even with a few dots after some other punctuation, just randomly inbetween words that way. The CORRECT way to write this would be something like:
"What, Lorraine...what?"
George is not finished with his sentence, so you don't put the question mark after her name, he continues it, which even your own dots imply. You don't need two question marks, as George only asks one question, he just repeats it for clarity.
These discussions would be so much more fun (not to mention clearer), if people actually used the english language instead of something they made up.
You forgot the 'Damnit, Jim!'
But anyway, it's a philosophical difference.
A fighter learns how to DESTROY and INJURE someone, maybe even MURDER. A fighter becomes efficient in disabling someone's body's normal function. A crazy thing, but it's what it is. A fighter's job/mission is to stop the opponent's body's normal function enough that they can't be a threat to him, while keeping his own body's functionality as good and normal as possible.
A doctor learns how to HEAL and SAVE someone, maybe even bring back to LIFE. A doctor becomes efficient in restoring someone's body's ..
Well, you get the idea.
A fighter STOPS life in a body, a doctor is like a polar OPPOSITE, being a healer.
So of course a healer doesn't fight efficiently, because he doesn't want to become the opposite of what he has chosen as his life path and philosophy - he respects and helps life, a fighter would disrespect and disrupt life, possibly bring death.
The healer is on the side of life, the fighter is in the side of death, to oversimplify it.
Of course a healer is going to be as good a figher as a fighter is going to be a healer. Not very.
A couple of thoughts..
1) Could it be possible he lost his arm while doing his duty of securing something? Hence, being promoted to the head of security due to bravery and such.
2) How good can he be if he can't even secure the security of his own body, and ends up losing part of it?
In this forum, has it ever happened that someone trying to make a convoluted point out of their obviously drugged brain's ridiculous mindflow, has typed a lot of nonsense that amounts to exactly nothing due to their sub-par command of the english language, especially when they try to express aforementioned mindflow with their lousy grammar, ending up using words wrong, and then selecting the wrong words, like in your post?
Anyone know? Thanks.
This is not a 'popcorn flick'.
It's a CAREFULLY designed and planned movie that commits two atrocities in one blow;
1) It whitewashes the history of ACTUAL 'Men in Black', so people would have a POSITIVE connotation with that term. (They were ruthless thugs trying to prevent witnesses from exposing their sensitive information to the masses - and they succeeded)
2) It destroys and mutilates a repetitive one-hit wonder from the early 1980s to boost Will's career and reputation as a genius musician, when all he can do is rip off others and at best, create simplistic non-music.
The emperor's clothes are shiny and beautiful, though, aren't they? Sigh.
Yeah, that's not his composition. I mean, it's a very simplistic 'song', I wouldn't consider it music, but it isn't originally a Will Smith 'song' - he ripped it off.
Research Patrice Rushen's "Forget Me Nots" (as grammatically incorrect as that is) and tell me Will didn't rip off that for 'his' song.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forget_Me_Nots
This song was created in 1982, so it's kinda hard to imagine anyone would think it's Will Smith's original song. A COMPLETE RIP-OFF!! Shame on you for not knowing this and for thinking it's Will's creation and shame on Will for ripping it off!
Also, if people here knew ANYTHING about the original 'Men in Black', maybe they wouldn't so readily celebrate the 'here coming' of 'Men in Black'..
I wondered about the same thing - I still don't get the point of this whole movie, besides the two things that are obvious: 1) This is a vehicle for Robin (though it fails at that) 2) Military always wants to make war movies and push war agendas and show 'troops' (camouflage-dressed murderers that have historically destroyed the lives of millions of innocent people for no good reason) as some kind of normal guys and 'good people', even 'heroic'.
So Robin + Military agenda = this movie with so many 'Vietnam war movie tropes' you could drown in them.
I just wish the comedy bits were at least funny, though.
"The problem with this movie was that it was billed as a comedy, and with Robin Williams as the star, that was the expectation. That's why we had dumb lines like what RW said above. "
I think it's the opposite.
Because this movie was SUPPOSED to be a comedy, but audiences expect the 'eternal Vietnam war movie tropes', it _HAD_ to be injected with "sad and dramatic scenes", which really drags a comedy down.
In defence of the movie, the comedy isn't funny anyway, so this movie can fully bask in its 'dramatic trope crap' all it wants and not lose anything. That line wasn't funny, so it fits this movie perfectly.