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Just out of curiosity, why do you have so much interest in this? Also, what are you looking for, fanfiction erotica about old Indy?
I have to admit, I can't understand your post, it makes no sense to me.
I never understood the logic of these movie studios.
First they take something that has a following, like an old classic from the 1980s.
Then they MUTATE IT COMPLETELY to be something absolutely different and separate from the 1980s classic, but still use the NAME to draw in audience.
How can they think they can profit that way?
I mean, if you are going to remake something, it's already problematic, because if you make it too much like the original, it's just going to look like a lame rip-off, a worse version of the original, and no one will like it.
If you make it too different, you alienate the people that loved the original, because it's nothing like that original, so there's nothing to like about it.
I am exaggerating a bit, but I don't get the logic of taking a 'famous name' and then changing it completely, and then expecting people to flock in and like it.
It's almost as if it's not important whether anyone likes it, but that people are DRAWN IN, and that's as far as their thinking goes. So they buy a license, then butcher it completely and wonder what went wrong.
If they want the old fans to like it, obviously the name isn't enough, the movie has to be good in a similar way that the first movie was good. If they want new fans (a bit of an oxymoron, of course) to like it, then they can't just rely on nostalgia and name, so it doesn't even make sense to USE the old name, because it means absolutely nothing to the new audiences (necessarily).
So whom are they trying to please? They can't please the old fans by mutilating their beloved franchise or movie, they can't please anyone new because they don't care about the name. Either way, it makes NO SENSE to just take some popular name from the 1980s and 'remake/reboot/whatever' it into a movie that you'd have to change quite a lot anyway, so you might as well make a completely new movie.
It's also astonishing how MUCH they are willing to sink money into 'woke' crap, but WON'T give new ideas a chance.
"2 If God hates somebody, it's probably the one named satan."
That's a bit of a misconception. 'Satan' was originally 'Lucifer', the ANGEL that 'fell'.
The Creator then gave him the task of TEMPTING people - he still needs people to SIGN THE CONTRACT to sell their soul to him for materialistic gain and hedonistic pleasure, he can't just do evil things all by himself.
This means, even 'satan' works for the Creator, by putting people through TRIALS and initiation of sorts.
The Creator is like the sun - everyone and everything is part of it, therefore, it doesn't hate anyone or any part of the whole, because it'd be just as insane as if you hated your toe and wanted to cut it off. What kind of sense would that make?
Therefore, both your conclusion and the original statement are both proven wrong.
Corporations laying down THEIR laws so they can dictate right and wrong (somehow it's wrong to copy music to poor family so they have at least some spark of hope in their life, because corporate greed isn't then optimally fulfilled..)..
..but it's perfectly OK to pollute the air and oceans, it's perfectly good to make more and more plastic pile up with no way to get rid of it or recycle it effectively, to manufacture more cars to create more noise, pollution, and torn down houses and historical buildings so more highways can be built so more congestion can cause more stress in the madness that exists in wage slaves that have been told their life can only have purpose through corporate toil and they have to buy the right to exist by working very hard..
..while some youtuber becomes rich by nodding her head for a few seconds (I cracked the code on this one, by the way - it's a 'sexual' sight, because it looks like she's being humped, and no power is stronger on this planet than horniness of incels).
Corporations build huge high-rise buildings that scorch people alive because their stupid architects don't understand anything, and people are put to jail for simply making computers copy a few files or using the 'wrong pronouns'.
We live in a surveillance society and police state, it's just a matter of degree at this point. UK is the surveillance, China is the police state, America is the materialistic dumbed-down hamburger (made from the flesh of innocent cows) consumers.
I mean, if big corporations and governments only thought about what's good for the people, everything would be as free as possible, there would be enormous charity events, everyone would be taken care of, and healthcare would be arranged to be as free as possible and yet it wouldn't be called socialism.
Which is better for the people, I ask; that all music and movies are freely copyable to everyone who wants to experience them, or the poor being put to jail for wanting to experience them?
There's police exactly when someone needs to 'get in trouble' by going to jail (Robby, Kreese), there's police, exactly when the villain needs to use the system to outsmart the heroes (sorry, that's what this show became - there are now clear villains and heroes, sadly).
There's police 'in theory', when someone THREATENS to call them, but never do.
That's about it.. no patrols, no one getting in trouble for assaults, property destruction, stealing, fraud, and so on and so forth. Someone burns your car? Nah, too small a crook for cops to handle. Someone trashes your Doujou (on your property)? Why should THAT be something police would be interested in?
Someone beats up your daugher/son/nephew/etc.? Who ever heard of calling a police in a situation like that? These things are best handled with karate!
Yeah, the show gets to be so ridiculous in this aspect, it's hard to suspend your disbelief. for long.
Also, no one ever, EVER thinks of bringing a gun on the table, except Miguel's dad. Sorry if I spoiled a completely USELESS segment (of a story that goes nowhere) for ya.
I mean, I legitimately thought the strip mall owner guy that made a deal with LaRusso family, well, Amanda, would have gone to the COPS, whose job it is to evict Kreese anyway, if he has no legitimate / lawful right to stay in the building he owns.. but he turns to a couple of fat goons instead. Then he stays there and gets beaten up.
WHAT?
Since when do these rich bastards handle these things themselves anyway? This guy is PARANOID, he doesn't even trust car salesmen, and yet he goes to confront a karate madman by himself, just because he brought a couple of fat nephews with him?
WHAT WHAT?
It should've been his LAWYER, with ACTUAL COPS showing up, giving Kreese the bitter truth and evicted him, and if Kreese does anything, he ends up in jail for obstruction and assaulting a police officer.
Even after Kreese beats them all up, he could still go to the cops and tell what happened.. sigh.
"Its absolutely intentional and that's the whole point."
Not all of it, and I don't think that can ever be the WHOLE point - perhaps a partial point, or small piece of the point, but the WHOLE point? What?
Look, it was 'cute', when it was done at first, since this show was pretty much unique from the get-go.
However, as it went along, it became tired, and they went way overboard with it, repeating it ad nauseum while beating the audience on the head with it until the show just became a mockery of itself. It's one thing to be 'intentionally campy' if you do it with style (Batman 1966, anyone?), it's another thing to just keep pointing at things and winking at the audience constantly.. "Get it? GET IT? I am being INTENTIONAL about this? Laugh already, damnit!!1"
That's what this show is becoming. It was done more skillfully in the beginning, but seasons 4 and 5 are nothing but a cartoony mess, the original brilliance is long gone, now there are just 'evil villains vs. our noble heroes', when before, it was a big grey area, where it wasn't clear at all who the 'bad guy' was, or even if there was such a thing.
Intentional or not, when you jump the shark and become a mockery of yourself, you become the joke instead of the comedian. This happened to The Simpsons, too - when you overstay your welcome, there's nowhere to go but down.
"You keep spouting this shit (informative sources) millsey "
I have someone you'd probably like to meet - their name is 'The Oxford Comma'. Ever heard of them? They run a successful enterprise called 'preventing misunderstandings by using english correctly'.
How can people just ignore the english rules so blatantly? Also, 'Millsey72' is a name (you forgot to write part of it, by the way), so you should capitalize it, although I know it's a stupid trend to not capitalize names these days for some reason.
It's also crass and unbecoming to use profanity in discussion boards. I know they use it in the show, but as civilized human beings, we should by now be able to express even our disdain for someone's inability to write coherent and informative, interesting, poignant or useful posts in a more elevated and less insulting and juvenile way, shouldn't we?
In any case, Millsey72-san is only doing what the best of their particular ability allows, we should not be attacking them for wanting to take part in a conversation usually engaged in by more developed minds (although bearing in mind your particular grammatical skill level, I am willing to reconsider my previous assessment regarding aforementioned description of the present interlocutors).
Your sense of humor is on par with the wisdom and intelligence your posts have shown you to possess, I bow to your consistency - I'm never disappointed..
You don't need to Capitalize Every Single Word You Use In the Topic.
It's distracting and annoying.
Also, I thought your post was going to be sarcastic, because they have brought every single cockroach's buttocks hair they found from the grainy footage of any of the movies already, there's no one that should've shown up that they haven't brought in - it's more the case of the opposite; they brought SO many side characters back, it's like a cartoony rodeo now instead of anything believable anymore.
Instead of cultivating, developing and growing the most beloved core characters, they keep adding more and more 'hey, remember THIS guy from the back of the bar where Daniel broke the ice? He was there for almost one full frame in one of the movies, you'll love his old, mangled face saying something funny, ha ha, aren't we geniuses?'-characters into the mix, and at some point, you just can't help groaning.
Instead of Terry Silver and Miguel's useless father, they could have just moved the story in some interesting direction with the already existing characters. Even bringing Ali / Alli (whatever her name was) back was a bit of a gimmicky stretch that seemed unnecessary.
They should've stopped bringing more and more characters into the show.. the 'karate's bad boy' in NO WAY needed to be part of this story, but there he is, because he was in one of the movies that no one wants to consider canon!
"I must have missed that scene. Was it in the Vietnam flashbacks regarding the bazooka shots? Who fired at who?"
It's remarkable how consistent the understanding your posts always show you to have is. Applauds.
If someone uses an exaggeration to depict how ridiculous things have become, even mentioning it's a 'cartoon/TV formula', you take it to literally mean that actual depiction happened in the show..?
Riiiight.
"No-one DIES on this show!"
You don't use hyphen with 'no one'. It's just 'no one'. One, that is a 'no'. Why did you think you need a hyphen?
Do people use punctuation RANDOMLY instead of how it's supposed to be used, or is there some grammatical Kreese teaching you kids all the wrong things?
In any case, Johnny should've died from internal bleeding, blood loss, broken bones and who knows what else SEVERAL times in this show. I agree about Chouzen, his wounds would've been pretty much fatal, but Kreese's death was just staged so he could escape, it was some kind of jelly instead of actual blood (I saw it coming, though, so it wasn't very surprising).
"As for Chozen, even in real life, it’s possible to survive getting cut."
Chouzen / Chōzen / Choozen .. Heck, I'll take 'Cho-zen' at this point, who am I to say katakana conventions can't be used in Rōmaji..?
Anyway, take a pick, I gave you FOUR (4) correct ways of spelling that name, so you have no excuse in misspelling it ever again.
Now, of course it's POSSIBLE to 'survive' (but how, and what would be the permanent injury implications of such survival if your muscles have been cut? They might never be the same, especially for an older body, if they heal properly at all) 'getting cut', but when you look at the size of the cuts, that clearly go relatively deep into the muscle, the blood loss alone would've been dangerous, not to mention infection from the water and all.
We can keep shoving this unrealistic 'sword cut is no big deal'-crap into people's faces, like they did in the 'Kill Bill' movies (there's no way the 'bride' would've survived EVERYTHING that her body went through from all the fights, punches, kicks (remember, a block still HURTS the blocker!), without very good medical treatment after every 'event' - rock salt shot from a double-barreled SHOTGUN at short range into the chest, sword cuts (we can all the 'twirling ball with sharp edges' a sword in this case) into the flesh, carbon dioxide poisoning (from the cascet - it's not JUST a matter of 'enough air', you know, the air quality could not have been healthy, plus all the dust in the lungs after the digging)...
I mean, her wounds would've been infected the very least - she didn't even have shoes in the desert, and somehow didn't get wounds, injuries, etc. on her feet from the hot desert rocks, sand and all..?
Yeah, it's possible to survive a fall from third or fourth floor, but realistically, you'd be a mess, and the probability is not on your side. Also, I would NOT recommend it any more than 'getting cut' (you make it sound like a pleasure.. you GET to do something..)
"The teen drama and cheesy acting was too over the top. But, plenty of people really like it, so I'm happy for them. "
I could live with that, if the story was good, character growth actually happened, the story actually WENT somewhere, but this show has been running in place for years, and the last good stuff happened in season three.
Of course this forces the viewer to watch everything with a more critical eye, when the redeeming qualities diminish. The teen drama was always annoying, but what they did in seasons 4 and 5, is just too much.
This should've always been Johnny and Daniel's story, but they kept adding characters and teen drama and took us away from the 'juicy parts' too much, so it eventually became boring, and even the Daniel/Johnny-scenes just become gimmicks, reminders, useless nostalgia and pointers to the movies and such.
It's ridiculous that Daniel shows Johnny the 'paint the fence'-stuff, when that was CLEARLY meant for a clueless beginner as a shortcut to installing some kind of muscle memory. Johnny has already so much muscle memory, he could have started from the movements themselves. It makes no sense..
They were almost openly mocking 'wokeness' in the beginning, but then they started slipping more and more towards it. What's this black token character we're supposed to sympathize with, although he's a bully and turns out to be amazing at Karate even without much training..?
I am glad they show black people as evil sometimes, as the prison scenes show as well, but they kinda stopped mocking the 'woke PC culture' and started conforming towards it more and more. They always have to have black token characters (why is it never an Eskimo or Australian Aboriginal (Aborigine?)), women almost never take a punch or kick from a man, and even if they do, the woman always wins the fight - heck, even the fat 'nerdy' black woman, although completely untrained, kicked Miguel's more trained buttockses immediately after Miguel kicked her -once-. Tori can kick a much bigger, muscular man's buttockses with ease, and white, heterosexual man's sexuality is, of course, vilified at every turn. Unless he wants to marry someone and reproduce, then it's good.
When you watch this show more carefully, you start seeing the political correctness seeping in, while the show tries to superficially still be an 'evil donkey' when it comes to that stuff. A rich white male just HAS to scoff at 'equal pay' (although it's been unlawful to have unequal pay based on gender for decades - DECADES!), and so on. The carwash-scene still grinds my gears - why would a MAN be washing the cars anyway, and why would anyone be so clueless as to NOT KNOW it's exactly the female dirty pillows that rake in the money? How does this show expect us to believe ANY character would be that stupid? NO ONE PAYS A FAT MALE 20 BUCKS TO SEE THEIR DISGUSTING MANBOOBS!
But gender, of course, is a social construction, so what can you do..
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..and directed it reluctantly towards the 'normal TV show', where stories need a 100% evil cartoon villain, where story arcs require some rich maniac to constantly bring in more and more characters, whose names you can't remember, and so on. Why so many characters instead of developing the characters we already know and love? (Heck, even Daniel-san's son was unnecessary from the start in my opinion)
Season 1 was pretty brilliant, but it couldn't yet tell the story, it was held back by all the character introductions and starting of the storylines and bringing us all the potential of what could happen and how.
They waited too long to bring Ali (or was it Alli?) back, and that ended up going exactly nowhere, after seeming it could be so dramatic.
The story started to branch into all kinds of useless tangents, like the Mexican trip. Miguel's hairstyle became a mess, his demeanor became soft, unexcited and boring (with his eyes closed most of the time now..for reasons?) and to be honest, he started looking more fat every time. Comparing Season 5 Miguel to Season 1 Miguel you can see a really unappealing change in so many levels.
Tori is another unredeemable character that got her 'sympathy episodes' too late - another case of too little, too late. Reese can't be redeemed, Terry can't be redeemed, the whole japanese cartoon char crew can't be redeemed, even though they have no personalities beyond 'hey, I wear a masonic eyepatch'.
I knew this show was too good to be true.. seasons 4 and 5 prove it.
At least we'll always have season 1 with all the promise that was never delivered, and season 3 with some great Japan-scenes that are powerful and evocative. Besides some good music and jokes, that's about all this show can offer you, besides a paper-thin 'story' (such as it is).
They were at the top of their game in season one, then they messed it up, but picked up things in season three, then the show became a mockery of itself, and I am not interested in seeing more.
If they wanted to quit while they were ahead (which, I think, is the saying you are trying to remember), they should've done it before season 2 started, or at least at the end of season 3.
Now they just dragged it for so long, they had to conform to the usual TV tropes; suddenly there are cartoony, 100% evil villains, suddenly massive fights erupt all over the place all the time, doujous (long 'o' should be signified somehow, even if english pronunciation makes the 'o' long anyway) are being attacked, everyone's property is being destroyed... it's just a ridiculous mess after what they did previously.
There was a brilliant, delicate balance of 'no one is the good/bad guy', but now there CLEARLY are bad guys and good guys. It's no longer 'an interesting perspective that makes you root for a bully', now it's just another super thin story about cartoon heroes and villains in the most unrealistic settings and situations, where no one ever REALLY grows up as a character, human being or adult..
Daniel never stops being a hothead picking fights everywhere (even in season 3, he's fearful and anticipates an attack when Chouzen enters the picture, when he at least COULD be friendly and welcoming, even if Chouzen is going to attack him.. if he already feeds him bad energies, what does he expect to happen? LEARN TO BE FRIENDLY ALREADY, DAMN HOTHEAD!)..
Johnny never stops being a 'funny bum from the 1980s that's 100% out of touch with modern world in all possible ways', having so much hatred and grudge instead of wisdom that he should already have from everything he has learned and gone through so far...
This show didn't go to where it naturally should've gone, or 'wanted to go' from season 1. It's like someone stopped it from becoming the most amazing thing..
Season 3 is basically 'peak', because it actually takes the story somewhere, and starts building upon what was previously established. It tones down the craziness that started to seep in previously, it tones down the ridiculousness and balances out things - it brings balm to the wounds, gives us delicate, beautiful scenes in Japan, now the show is REALLY showing (no pun intended) what it can really do. Marvellous! Chouzen's character is great in Season 3 (and season 3 alone).
What they do after season 3 is so disappointing, because it goes further away from the brilliant balance of 'no one is neither the good nor the bad guy', into the 'I thought we were the good guys' territory. I am not sure in which season that was said, but it's a clear marker to bring the old, tired dichotomy of 'good guys vs. bad guys' back. Sigh.
Can you imagine this show without Kreese or Silver or any of the 'let's bring EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER from the movies back'-mentality? If they focused on the story more, and these kind of gimmicks less?
The first season has so much potential the season 2 doesn't reach, the season 3 heals what season 2 caused, but doesn't truly give us anything that innovative - it basically erases the damage season 2 caused, and thus has no time to give us a proper personality of its own, although it gives the potential and showcases how it could be done.
Because season 3 is so good, it's such a disappointment that season 4 is basically a gimmick with a cartoon villain, and season 5 just almost robotically follows what has become before. The show was stuck in mud and started running in place.
At first, the show was a man (yes, a man) digging a ditch with a shovel. A lot of progress could be seen.
Then it became a woman (yes, I know how to define this) play-digging in the mud with a tiny spoon instead of a proper shovel. Lots of motion and tears, mud flinging all over the place, but there's no progress.
They should've let the patient die gracefully.
But it seems like the river has run its course, the story has been told, and there is no more.
You can reheat the same meal over and over again, but it won't be the same, and will only taste more and more stale every time.
It's probably time to bury the nostalgia and go home. It was a wild ride, there were amazing performances, wonderful moments, great and respectful storytelling, but it looks like it's pretty much over. I don't even care what Kreese's original plan was, it took too long to materialize.
I mean, Kreese might be out of prison, but it's not the same as being actually free - the cops will be looking for him, it's not like he can just lead Cobra Kai again, and with the scandals, surely the whole thing will be shut down by now.
In the first season, there was the hopeful feeling that Johnny becoming sensei would fix his life, make him see what's important, realize to become the adult he didn't know he could be, and just enjoy life from thereon, without holding grudges, being happy with Daniel's success and move on. But instead, it became this mess of screaming to kids and making them do ridiculous things in the name of self-improvement, while remaining partially juvenile himself.
I was hoping Johnny and Daniel would bury the hatchet and realize adult life has so much to offer if they join forces and understand each other's perspective as to what happened, that they could become good friends and just have fun in life, or possibly combine their styles, learn from each other, and teach karate in a harmonious spirit, and everyone will be happy.
I mean, some of that did happen (yay!), but a bit later than I hoped, and not quite as happily as I hoped, and of course for the wrong motivations - to 'defeat an enemy'.. does everyone really need a villain to join forces? Can't they just join forces because they SEE how good that would be?
Seasons 4 and 5 feel like lukewarm re-hash, whereas season 3 was still brilliant and poignant.
It feels less of a new type of food, or even a fresh meal, but more of lukewarm leftovers from two days ago.
The problem is that we are not shown much that we haven't seen before. There are storylines that go exactly nowhere. It's cool that they finally realized that old enemies can become friends, but making everyone constantly a friend and enemy and whatnot, becomes a bit tiresome. The teen soap is as boring as it ever was, who cares if Sam and Miguel become a couple or not? Sam seems more likable in 3, 4 and 5, though, and she seems to have lost weight, too.
It's remarkable how little cops are really involved in anything, although buildings are set on fire, places are constantly invaded (why is it so easy to invade Daniel's home and Miyagi-Dou? Can't Daniel afford some kind of security system with fences, cameras, alarms, etc.? Huh?), cars are burned up, people thrown through windows, .. I mean, holy cow, what do the police do in this valley?
Not to mention the constant, incessant fights in all kinds of places, people's faces and hands are broken and blood flows all the time, yet cops are almost never to be seen.
I get it, it's a TV show, but some moments kind of kill the immersion.
The overly-coreographed mass-fights are also a bit of a headache and confusing to watch; sometimes it's even hard to know who to root for, because everyone keeps changing sides and switching loyalties and whatnot, not to mention how hard it's to keep up with what's even happening with the shaky cam and such.
Five years is a long time, I guess the vision was drained out, someone just wanted to show how fun it would be to show Johnny and Daniel as 'adults' (of sorts), and what happened after the movies, and yet make the audience root for the 'bad guy' and show Daniel for the bully-instigator that he truly was in the movies (Daniel REALLY didn't need to hose Johnny, or cause those traffic accidents, now did he? DID HE? He would've been FINE if HE hadn't instigated!)
Silver is a bit of a disappointment as well in any case, he could've made for a really cool villain, if he had remained subtle.
What I mean is, on the outside/surface, he could be the cleanest individual ever, friendly, happy, sharing his wealth and having wonderful garden parties, while in the shadows, behind the veil, he would, in a very SUBTLE way, manipulate things, events and people to his favor.
Remember Daniel being really sneaky about trying to get rents raised in the strip mall? That's the kind of thing I mean, but even a bit more subtle. The way Silver was 'disrupting Daniel's marriage' is sort of perfect in my opinion. That was a masterful manipulation - or really good writing of such a thing, that's when I said 'brilliant' out loud, I think.
Then he becomes a cartoon villain that just beats up everyone. HOW BORING!
This show showed us so much promise, then it never QUITE filled that promise. It gave us hope, and yet stayed one inch away from filling that hope, then took it away.
Then did it again... I mean, the same beats happen pretty much in every season, and who can even keep up with all the things that went on with Robby's story arc?
This show truly feels like there were too many chefs ruining the soup; some were absolutely brilliant gourmet ones, others were used to make soup from literal garbage in some dark alley in a third world-country (I don't know if that's the term anymore, it used to be non-developed, underdeveloped, developing, and so on)..
It's a real shame, because there are genuinely funny moments, wonderful screen charisma, and it's amazing what these old geezers are able to do in front of a camera for a TV show, I could never imagine doing that at their age!
It's also great to see the same actors playing the same roles, even karate's bad boy is pretty darn amazing on the screen (sorry, I am bad with names).
Something is missing in season 4 and 5, though. It doesn't feel as genuine, as soulful, as interesting, as novel..