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You do not understand fundamental basics. Others have mentioned this to you as well. I said I was done and I am. I am rarely so blunt, but you are hopeless. Your do not understand narrative, in story inferences or logical constructs in a story. I can tell you my various literature instructors, many years ago though they were, would likely fail you.
I've answered most of these. Peter decided to come to the real world. He wants to forget Neverland. His adoptive parents undoubtedly encouraged him to forget.
Most reviewers have no idea how SF and fantasy stories work. You can tell by their comments. This isn't odd. Many people have looked down on speculative fiction for decades as an odd, minor, forgettable genre fit only for children. It is only in the last couple of decades that it has become more respectable. And what a reviewer thought 28 years ago is of even less interest. Reviewers didn't like the Wizard of Oz either.
Memory loss can be selective. Especially when the things remembered are there all the time. Wendy has obviously kept in contact with Peter and he with her. She keeps in touch with all her children. That is made explicit.
Spies were able to find things out long before phones. They still do.
I'm through with this. You have dug yourself so far into a whole of minor nitpicks that are easily explained that you simply cannot acknowledge that your objections are easily explained. You have my sympathy.
No, they do not have to reintroduce things from the books. Those stories are iconic. Most sequels are only going to recap what is necessary. (and this qualifies as a sequel.)
Spielberg may think he messed up. I don't.
Since we see Smee outside the Darling house, we know Hook has them there.
To continue ...
There is nothing in this film that violates the original rules of Neverland.
As for the children, you really don't get how spying works. Yes, Hook had never seen them before. But the pirates who were spying, including Smee, had been there. They had obviously overheard that Peter would be visiting and staying with Wendy with his children. So the pirates were reasonably comfortable assuming the only two children in Wendy's house were Peters.
You know, I don't care a fig what reviewers think. I never have. I do not scan reviews to determine if a movie is worth seeing or not. Most reviewers have their own prejudices and biases. And frankly, most are completely clueless about SF, Fantasy and Horror.
Hook is a favorite of mine. But that is not the point. I would argue the same issues with them about a film I disliked when I see so many mistaken observations about it. These are not issues of like or dislike. Others have said the same things. You have a blind spot. You are so certain these are issues you cannot see the obvious answers to your questions.
" can't understand how somebody conveniently forgot how to fly. Did he also forget how to walk? He didn't forget Wendy and Tootles, but forgets how they met. This is so selective. And you keep saying he's burying his childhood? Why? What is it about his childhood that needs to be buried? "
Memory loss doesn't work that way. He buried it. So yes, he forgot how to fly but not how to walk. Why? Because flying was a fantastic thing from Neverland. He wanted to forget Neverland. Walking is an everyday activity everyone around him is doing. It is normal.
"Movies tell a story. No viewer should have to know the source material beforehand. They're telling me the story, so tell it. Why bother adapting it?"
Generally yes. But Peter Pan is iconic. This story is not an adaptation. It is a projection from the original stories. And there have been many adaptations of the original source material. At least two films and a stage musical. It is reasonable to assume the audience knows the source material.
Wendy and Tootles were in contact with him. This was not the first time he had visited them since he was adopted. So yes, he remembered them. Again, they were part of the normal world, even if Tootles came from Neverland.
"Let's take Jurassic Park as an example (also based on source material made by the same director). They explain in the film the existence of the dinosaurs, who financed them, why they did it, how the public would react to it. If all of a sudden they inexplicably had super powers that dinosaurs never had, you can't chalk that up to " but it's a fantasy/science fiction film". That's the difference between making a smart, classic film that's on IMDb's top 250 and doing Hook that's a 6.8 on IMDb and also a 26% or RottenTomatoes. Spielberg himself even apologized for it. But yeah, it's just me that doesn't "get it.""
Your example is just what I said. You set the rules in the film. You do not have to state them. There is nothing in this film that violates ....
You are really into denial on this. You can't understand people burying their memories of childhood, even though it happens. It doesn't require a dramatic trauma to occur.
Fantasy tropes are there for a reason. Many fantasy stories use them. In this case, especially, the tropes are established from the source material. You don't have to reiterate them or explain them when they already exist. Neverland and its relationships to the real world are already established.
Even if they weren't, the fact that they happen establishes the rules. That is the common method in any speculative fiction: fantasy, sf or horror. Its is only a plot hole if someone in the story says something cannot be done and then it occurs. By your logic we would need some explanation on how X-wing fighters and battleships and light sabers work in Star Wars.
As for the stake out mission, Hook wanted revenge. We don't know if he was staking them out in America. But they knew Wendy came from London. If they are trying to find Peter, spying on her and her home is logical.
And while Hook is flamboyant, that doesn't mean he can't lay long term plans. He HATES Peter Pan. Taking years to find him, including spying on Wendy, is completely in character.
You seem to be collating fantasy world with not real. Within the story Neverland is a fantasy land and it is real. Just as in the Wizard of Oz stories Oz is a fantasy land but it is real. (the musical not-withstanding). And as I said previously, its not the first to do so. The John Carter stories are presented as John Carter telling the stories to Edgar Rice Burroughs.
This is completely you. You don't understand how fantasy/sf/horror stories work; you don't understand the common tropes of them; and you cannot see that some of these tropes happen in non-genre fiction.
This story works on all its levels. Some like it and some don't but its parts fit together. It is your mind that is scattered.
I believed it. It was simple. This is what you were not getting. All the things you have issues with are common story elements, often used and easily understood. Many apply to non-fantasy films.
Hook is a movie that people either love or hate. Those who hate it, or just dislike it, have issues that I disagree with, but can understand. I've never seen anyone bring up these issues. This would indicate to me that most people understand and believe them.
You are not required to like the film. Everyone's taste is different and no one can say your taste is wrong. But you should understand that just because you can't see past these items does not imply that most other people cannot. Since I've not seen those issues mentioned before, I would say most do not have a problem with these items.
And I apologize. I shouldn't have said that. But you seem to be deliberating failing to understand. All of these issues are common tropes.
You also seem to think every dot and jingle needs to be specifically explained, with a scene all its own. Explaining everything is a mark of bad writing. The audience needs to be able to fill in the details on its own.
I'm sorry. You're hopeless. All these issues are standard tropes in fantasy. Some are things that actually happen in real life. That you don't accept them does not invalidate them. I would suggest you study the genre in some detail.
From 4. Okay I see your confusion. The ship never docked anywhere, except at the house. The ship can fly.
From 6. It is certainly not the first story to do this.
From 1. If you don't want to remember, you won't remember. Even if your memory gets jogged, you would likely supress it.
From 2. You may not know what your neighbor is doing, but other people do. And if you send someone specifically to spy, they are going to pay attention.
From 7. You try telling frantic parents to calm down after their children have been kidnapped and to not call the police. Unless the KIDNAPPERS left a note to not call the police, they are going to call. I would. And I would ignore anyone who tried to stop me.
"7. If Wendy and Tootles knew Captain Hook kidnapped the kids after reading the note he left, why did they call the cops? We're they really thinking the cops were going to believe Neverland existed? "
Because Peter called them. Or insisted Wendy do so. They obviously did not tell the police what they believed because they new the police would never believe it. The police likely did believe that someone who was obsessed with the book planned the kidnapping and left the note. That would not be odd.
You do, sometimes, have to read between the lines. Ponderously spelling everything out specifically is a mark of bad writing.
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1. How could Peter not know he was once Peter Pan? He really doesn't remember flying? Neverland? Captain Hook? Pirates? The lost boys? It was never brought up in conversation?"
It is not unusual for a child to block out memories. He decided he wanted to come back into the world. So he blocked out the memories of his childhood. His foster parents likely encouraged him to forget. Wendy likely didn't tell them he was Peter Pan. So any stories he told would seem like fantasies. As he grew he forgot.
"2. How did Captain Hook know that Peter was going to be in England for Christmas?"
If Hook has been planning his revenge for long he undoubtedly had spies in place. The people of Neverland, especially the higher ranked ones, would know about our world.
"3. How did Tinkerbell know that Peter was in England?"
Most likely, she got wind of Hook's plans and followed him. She didn't need to know the details to decide to do that.
"4. When the kids are kidnapped by Captain Hook and the pirates, how did they manage to get there? They travelled by ship. When they docked, did they hail a cab? How did they even know the address of where they were staying?"
I'm not sure what you are trying to ask here. How did who manage to get where? Hook? He had a ship. It could fly between the worlds. The children? Hook put them on the ship. Hailed a cab where? Hook kept them imprisoned on his ship.
"5. There is no way for someone to consistently think of happy thoughts while simultaneously doing something else. In this case it was flying."
You don't know that. And it is established in the mythology that is one of the keys to flying.
"6. How does Peter Pan (the book) exist in this world? Also, it never jogged Peter's memory."
Because Wendy told her story to J. M. Barrie. Everyone assumes it was fiction. It's likely Peter is only vaguely aware of the book because his foster parents did not encourage it and he wanted to forget.
See next post for 7.
It can easily be inferred that Archer completed his term. Trumbull won an election and is now president. Not at all an unusual situation. Especially since Archer likely had a immense amount of sympathy from the two previous "has fallen" films. Trumbull also likely enjoyed a great amount of sympathy and support from his actions during those crises.
That might explain it. And you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
De Gustibus non disputandem est.
Agreed.
I try. I don't always succeed, but I try.
Why are they any "sillier" than the winged fairies. They are obviously connected to fauns and/or puck. I think they are very well designed. It would have been obvious and easy to have the horns designed liked cattle or antelope, sharp and out-thrusting. The curled horns are more subtle and contained.
Any story involving fae are going to have a large range of creatures of wide-ranging physiology. As they should.
But they didn't destroy the universe when Thanos destroyed them.
The answer to the question is they can't change the timeline. (yes, there are contradictions to that in the film. I'm only answering this specific question.) To avoid that the plan is to obtain the stones from the past, and then return them to the precise moment they were taken. This would allow the timeline to play out. Thanos would obtain the stones and snap his fingers wiping out half of all life. Which is returned when Hulk snaps with the stones harvested from the timeline. They were supposed to go back immediately, but Thanos came through the time unit and the final battle occurred.
After that battle, Cap returns the stones (and Mjolnir) to the timeline at the moments they were taken.
Oh, yes. There is no other genre currently being produced. Every show is a super hero show. No comedies, dramas, SF or fantasy. Not a doctor, police officer, lawyer or fireman to be seen. No political dramas need apply. Yep.
In other words no. Super heroes are hot right now. So there are a lot of super hero shows. But there are a lot of other shows running as well.
Why are you assuming Thanos' plan made any sense?
Thanos said that he was eliminating half of all life in the universe, not just intelligent life. So yes, plants and animals as well.