Much like Michael Corleone, Walt does what he must in order to survive and protect his family.
To those who condemn Walt and Michael, what would you have done in exactly the same circumstances?
"Much like Michael Corleone, Walt does what he must in order to survive and protect his family..."
Walt did the opposite of protect his family. He put them in danger to satiate his ego.
"If I hear you say you did it for this family one more time...." The show could not have made it more obvious that this line of reasoning is complete horeshit. Walt didn't care about his family. He did it for himself, he did it for the thrill, he did it for his ego. He only gave money to his family to prove to himself that he could. To be the big man. But in reality, Walt's behavior was the exact opposite of being a man. He risked his family's life because he couldn't deal with his crippling insecurity.
Walt even admits it at the end.
Also, Michael did become a criminal to protect his family, but after his father died and the Corleone family climbed the ranks, he was decidedly in it for himself. That's why him and Walt ultimately lost their family.
lol this. One of the key turning points was of that finale was Walt finally admitted and confirmed that.
shareSo you don’t believe that Walt wanted to pay for his treatment and leave his family a nest egg?
shareDrug dealing is pretty villainous.
shareWhat would you have done in Walt’s circumstances?
shareI wouldn’t have walked away from a start up that would have made me a millionaire.
shareYou have to make the decision from the circumstances Walt was presented with. His decision to make drugs was after he’d walked away from the startup.
shareOk, then at that part I would seek employment elsewhere. In the show, his old business partners even offered to help him out. He had plenty of opportunities that did not involve selling drugs.
shareHow would you have paid for your cancer treatment and left a nest egg for your wife and kid, in Walt’s position?
shareI pretty much just explained that.
shareHe was offered a lower level job at his old firm. That would not raise enough money in enough time to pay for his treatment for leave a nest egg for his family.
shareHow do you know this? It certainly wasn’t the reason Walt turned down the job on the show.
shareBecause he had late stage cancer and had to make a quick fortune to pay for it, and leave something significant behind for his wife and kid.
shareHis goal was ego-driven and his family came second. That is why he did not take the job.
shareYou’re imposing that motive on him. The job would not have fulfilled his goal of making a quick fortune to pay for his treatment and leave his family a significant sum.
shareI’m not imposing anything. In the final episode, he admitted that he did it all for himself. Also, once again, why do you think the job would not meet his goals?
shareWalt’s pride is a factor, but early on he clearly wanted to pay for his treatment to survive and leave a nest egg for his family. The job wouldn’t meet his goals because it wouldn’t make enough money fast enough to a) fund his treatment before he dies nor b) leave a sufficient nest egg.
shareNailed it!
shareThe problem there is Michael's family all left him. Those who survived being shot at least.
shareKay left but that was pretty harsh. She even aborted his third child because she hated ‘this Sicilian thing!’ Michael kept his two kids though.
The rest of his family died. Michael killed Fredo, of course, but he had it coming for betraying Michael.
Kay took the kids with her.
shareI recall a scene where he keeps them and closes the door on her.
shareVery good. Now can you recall anybody actually agreeing with you in this thread?
shareWhy would I care about people agreeing with me? Most people are braindead sheep. I’m more interested in watching how they avoid the simple question of what they would have done in Walt and Michael’s circumstances, and seeing how they react to being wrong - as you were about how ‘Kay took the kids with her’.
shareOnly a full year to respond, so your reaction time is improving.
>Why would I care about people agreeing with me?
It's called feedback. This way you know if you're an idiot or not.
Notice how, after humiliating yourself by being wrong with ‘Kay took the kids with her’ you’ve now stooped to personal jabs about my response time. Very weak, and also amusing that you think I have any obligation to reply to you within a time frame you find convenient 🤣
Your post reveals the basic difference between you and I. As a sheep, you base your worth on the approval of others, whereas I couldn’t care less what others think of me (most people are braindead sheep) and I only care about telling the truth and being accurate.
Galileo was ridiculed and persecuted for stating that the earth orbits the sun, but he was right. You would have been one of the braindead masses, hiding behind the mob, happy to be wrong so long as you’re in lockstep with the ignorant majority.
The best thing about this thread is how revealing it is of character.
I love trick questions.
Let's see . . "why do people consider Walt a villain?" . . . ah . . because he broke the law?
As in . . . creating a more addictive -- and illegal -- drug that destroys lives and brings more wealth to the absolute worst elements in society.
The "Walt does what he must in order to survive and protect his family" defense. Ah yes, if everyone could use that excuse we wouldn't need laws or punishments at all would we? Everything anyone does could be justified with the "survival" escus--er, reason.
What would you have done differently in Walt’s position?
shareWalt is an anarchist that preys on others for his own sake. There are plenty of people who do what he did, we call them criminals. The guy who is late on rent and smashes grandma's head with a hammer to steal $200, is the same as Walter White. No, I don't do that, I carry my own water.
shareAll crimes are not equally immoral. Shoplifting is not morally equal to mass murder.
Smashing an old woman’s head with a hammer to steal $200 is not morally equivalent to cooking crystal meth to make a quick fortune to pay for your cancer treatment.
What would you have done differently in Walt’s position?
Local guy a few years back, stabbed his grandma to death for $30 to buy drugs. He asked for money, she said no, he asked for a glass of water and when she turned away he stabbed her to death. I met a girl whose brother had smashed an old lady's head with a hammer, desperate for drug money he broke in and beat her to death with a claw hammer, went to prison for life just to get on more high. Sure druggies are responsible for their own actions, but they are part of a drug culture created by degens like Walter.
What would I do? I would do what I have done my whole life, pay my bills. And if I couldn't, I would die. In the end, Walter died after destroying everything valuable in his life. If you believe he sold meth because he was desperate, you badly misunderstand the story of Walter White.
Having a beer the other day and the bartender was talking up about how if he had lived 200 years ago he would have been a pirate. Finally, I said, you could be a pirate now and chose to be a bartender, so 200 years ago you wouldn't have been a pirate either, it's not in your nature. He just stared at me and said finally, I guess you're right.
At least you’ve answered the question, most dodge it. So to be clear, you’d choose to die and leave your wife and disabled child nothing instead of Walt’s course of action?
shareYes. Do you find that hard to believe? Walter was a self-destructive narcissist. He destroyed his life, his wife's, his sister and bro in law, damaged his son's life, and destroyed his image and memory. His pattern of self-destruction began years earlier when he threw away a promising career. Why, what would you have done? How many grandma's brains have you smashed out to pay the rent or get a buzz?
shareNone of those consequences were intended, his goal was to pay for his cancer treatment and provide a nest egg for his family.
Yeah, I’d certainly contemplate making something illegally to pay for cancer treatment and provide for my family, people grow weed all the time, it’s not a huge step.
If you believe he sold meth because he was desperate, you badly misunderstand the story of Walter White.
leave your wife and disabled child nothing
To be honest I've never understood why life insurance exists, and pays off your hour house and showers you in cash when your loved ones die.
Everyone is supposed to pull their own weight and support themselves , so it shouldnt make a difference if one member of the team disappears , especially if is soon replaced
ok , small children cant do that, and women (usually) cant work as much when raising a child, but the principle and point still stands.
Single parent families learn to be more flexible.
Insurance is a for-profit business, that's why it exists. And they scammed banks and the govt into requiring it.
shareWow! 203 replys (now 204) to this thread? This is Old IMDB-level of user participation!
But to the question at hand: No Walt isn't a "villian" in the traditional sense, though he does do some horrendous things under the pretense of "providing for his family", but as he admits in the end he did it for himself.
Walt is not a villain in the traditional sense?
shareNo.
shareYes.
shareYour saying so is irrelevant, Walt isn’t a ‘traditional villain’ at all, he isn’t even a villain. Hugo Drax is a villain - he tries to exterminate every living human on earth. Walter White is dying of cancer and tries to make some money to pay for treatment and leave a nest egg for his family. To put them in the same category is insanity.
shareHe genuinely wanted to pay for his cancer treatment and provide for his family.
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