So...a cat dies in this movie, huh?
Pahahaha.
Sam Raimi is the only person who can pull that off.
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lol, i thought you were gonna be one of those people complaining about the cat dying, and completely ignoring that humans died as well, because obviously a cat is way more important than a human.
oh yeah, they kill a dog as well
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If someone cares about a cat dying in a film that doesn't automatically mean they don't care about humans. You can care about animal welfare AND human welfare at the same time, the two ideas are not mutually exclusive. People like you try to make it sound as if animal welfare advocates don't care about human beings. It's your way of trying to make people who are concerned about animal cruelty look ridiculous. The fact is you probably get a big kick out of watching humans AND animals get killed. That's probably why you watched this movie in the first place. People like you ought to be sent to Iraq. If you got a couple of body parts blown off maybe you wouldn't get such a big kick out of watching it on TV. I had a friend who got a real thrill watching people get butchered in horror movies until he got his leg blown off. Suddenly it wasn't so fun anymore. But people like you don't have the guts to put yourself in real danger. You just watch it on TV.
shareI agree with the first half of what you said. People can care about humans and animals. Just because someone says that they care about the animals doesn't mean that they don't care about the people too.
But I like watching these types of movies. I also like romances, actions, comedies etc. That doesn't make me a bad person. Just because someone likes watching horror movies where people get killed doesn't mean they should get a body part blown off to see what it's like. It's just entertainment. It's not like we're watching real people actually get tortured. No one in these movies is actually hurt. I'm sure the people who like watching torture movies wouldn't want it to actually happen to anyone. It shouldn't matter if someone likes to watch these movies. You're going a little overboard on judging people.
It's human nature to have their heartstrings pulled at the sight of an animal suffering. I can see a multitude of people getting blown away and not even flinch, yet the moment the little furry animal gets hurt, I'm in an uproar and want to see the scum bags punished!
shareI really hope you never breed!
shareLol, also dont forget about the fish their entire home is destroyed and they are left for dead haha :)
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Yes, apparently putting a flaming bucket on a dog's head for two seconds is lethal. I never realized that.
shareUsually the people in these movies are idiots, so you don't care what happens to them. But I don't want to see a cat or dog killed.
"If I'd been a ranch, they would have named me The Bar Nothing"
Anyone who thinks an animal's life is less important than a human's, should get their bodies chopped up in tiny pieces and fed to the animals. The movie would've have been slightly decent, but to kill a cat and a dog for no apparent reason gives me less respect for the film.
That's like saying you can kill a child but not an adult, because an adult is more smarter than a child's; pathetic idiots.
Umm....First off it's a movie. They stopped filming actors killing REAL animals after Cannibal Holocost came out. And " an adult is more smater than a child's" umm where did you go to grammer school?
SIDE NOTE. GREAT cat death on film. "Satan's little Helper" GOTTA watch it with the commentary. So FUNNY =-)
They stopped filming actors killing REAL animals after Cannibal Holocost came out. WRONG. It's been done again and again, way after Cannibal Holocaust's time.
share"WRONG. It's been done again and again, way after Cannibal Holocaust's time."
Like?
didnt Lucio Fulci have to go to court to prove that one of his dog-death sequences in one of his movies wasn't actually real? lol lol lol
i think the best part of this movie is when he threw the dog in the collectors face and he shot it to shreds. it was the only time where you felt really good about the "good" guy getting the upper hand :) but i wish there had been more pain caused to hte collector.
i guess thats for the sequel tho :D
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shareBaaahaha! That comparison cracks me up! Is the life of an ant as valuable as the life of a human?? Unless you are a buddhist - not that, that would make sense either - you really ought to rethink your opinions.. It´s a really sweet thought that all life is equal. But then again; we eat meat don´t we? Why do we only eat pork, beef, chicken etc. and not human flesh?? The life of a chicken is as valuable as yours... Maybe you´re a vegetarian or even a vegan. Does that make the last 99.? % of us savages?
I seriously don´t understand you..!
"Is the life of an ant as valuable as the life of a human??"
yes, because there is no way of measuring that. what is valuable? the human maybe grows up to kill a bunch of people and bring nothing good to the world at all. maybe the ant grows up to fall in someones drink, which makes them bow their head at the exact time a bullet goes right where their head was. maybe that person then goes on to cure cancer. then whos life was more worth saving? but thats not even the point.
the point is that obnoxious mentality of thinking that you/your race/your species/anything is more important than any other... its not good. its counter-progressive.
you folks better hope i dont snap one day. i could derive a huge sense of satisfaction from stuffing you into dingy cages and eventualy eating you. and i know you wouldnt complain because, that kind of thing is ok, right? :)
"Ca quit fait mal, ce mal li we"
He who does evil, evil he shall see
I love your posts. The "my life form is superior to your life form" way of thinking is disgusting. Your posts are perfect on this topic.
share@; Chaoslaw8
This all sounds really very cool and all.. But wouldn´t it be better if that guy who ducked his head just as he was about to get shot, because of the tragic incident where the ant fell in his drink, would convinse the world not to use ant traps and pesticides. That way a whole lot more individuals would be saved, than the cure to cancer would. - HOORAY!
Seriously though.. Kill a man whose family who loves him, and values him. Or kill a kitten.. Who is it gonna affect more? Are the cat "family" gonna mourn the loss of their dead kitten? If so - which they probably whouldn´t have any idea how to do, or what sorrow is - would they mourn as much as the humans? Is the sorrow gonna affect them equally? No, of course not.
Oh well, go ahead and eat your salat. And while you´re at it. Turn off your computer, that would be much better for the environment.
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You are an idiot. Animals have feelings. Say you step on a cat's tail...do they not make a noise. They cry out in pain, just like if I punched you in the nuts. Animals do mourn for other animals. I have a couple cats and dogs, and when something happens to one of them, they check on each other.
Cancer and other human diseases are population control, if there was a cure, then the world would be over ran with human, who are destroying the earth.
I am not saying I am against eating animals, but there is a difference between using the animal after killing it for something and doing it for fun. There is also a difference between killing them in a humane way and torturing them.
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no one said an animal's life is less important. If anything the fact that the animals also died puts them at an equal plain with humans(also technicaly animals). The only other point i have is that the dog died becaus it was attacking arkin. thats a good enough reason for me.
shareThank You! the dog had been trained to kill, and had already killed the cop.
the bucket/fire combo was a defence against the dog that was going to savage him and the girl.
The cat was just dumb, and got caught in a trap intended for a human.
Animals wouldn't have a second thought about killing a human for food, to survive, so animal testing (on drugs not cosmetics) is technically the same thing, a species prolonging their lives.
I wonder that if an animal activist had a son or daughter who had terminal cancer, would they be so against finding a cure, by testing the drugs that could save their own child on an animal.
Whilst our species might not be the highest form of life, we are certainly the most intelligent, hence our evolution.
At the end of the day, the animal in the movie didn't have the choice to be in it or not, but i'll bet they were the best treated actors on set.
Also, the close ups of the cat in the sticky acid, were of a puppet, and i'm pretty sure they didn't actually use a real dog when they used the fire bucket.
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No one ever said an animal's life is less important than a human's. if anything killing the animals put them on the same level as the humans in this film. every one dies equally. and the cat died to stop arkin from dieing in the window, the dog died becaus it was attacking him. both sound like good reasont to me.
"an adult is more smarter than a child's"
way to prove were you fall on the spectrum
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"You need to stop being so sentimental and get with the program. I fully support animal testing if it produces results that can help HUMANS. Do you think animals care about us?"
Uhh... well I know that my cats love me.
@sjwright76, People like you make me sick. There is very little point in even arguing with a person who advocates animal testing. You are the type of people who only care about themselves and nobody else. Bottomline, you don't value life.
The point is nobody's life is any less precious than others. Humans and animals alike both have the right to live. For your information, animals kill each other in the wild, not for fun but to survive. Carnivores kill because they need meat to survive. You don't see herbivores going around and killing other animals for fun. There is a huge difference right there.
What animal right activists and animal lovers in general are against is that animals shouldn't killed for no reason and certainly not for testing purposes and other BS reasons sick people like you come up with.
You should feel sorry for yourself bucko.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither ~ B. Franklinshare
sjwright76--"Look at what animals do to each other in the wild. They rip each other up."
Um you know what moron,HUMANS kill each other everyday too! HUMANS kill mainly for evil purposes. Animals have to kill for necessity and survival!!! Just because you are some type of scumbag who hates animals does not make your so-called babbling and insults towards animal-lovers warranted or appreciated. People like you make me sick. You just had to be one of those creeps who just refuses to be a decent human being. I love animals and I am not a fan of any type of animal cruelty on any level regardless to whether it's real or simulated in films. The director can still get his/or her point across without having an animal victimized in the story and by simply sticking to what the killer's true motivation is and that is killing PEOPLE!!! I hope you are allergic to animal dander and once you have inhaled any fragments your trachea swells shut and YOU die!!! Guess what? I won't be shedding a tear for you buddy, I'll be doing cartwheels!!!
You're right they are equally worthless. We just don't kill humans not to go to jail or to be executed.
Losing respect for a film because an animal dies,but not caring about the dying humans in it is pretty dumb, pathetic idiot.
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Fallout1997.....I just want to clarify. I do not nor have EVER thought killing ANIMALS WERE COOL. ( I AM A MEAT EATING, LEATHER WEARING ADULT ) It just makes me scratch my head alil when people are ohh so worried about the animals they just watched in a film where 10 actors were dismembered. " Ohh, do you think they really stepped on the worm" ?
shareFOR ME IF ANIMALS ARE KILLED IN THE MOVIE AND IT S ONLY fx it s allright, the thing that i don t like is when movies show real killing of animals such as holocaust cannibal, le temps du loup, hable con ella etc.
the movie is really good
sjwright76 THANK YOU!
"Who built your computer" was the perfect one.
He's not talking about a lion, a hyena, or a buffalo roaming the Sahara feasting on each others rear ends. He's talking about DOMESTICATED animals (see; cats and dogs) innocent creatures that rely on you to feed and shelter them. How are you this much of an ignorant fool?
Get a dog or a cat, realize how much they care for their owner before running your uneducated mouth.
teknetic, Thank you!
sharelike the woman who had half her face ripped off by her dog and was the recipient of the first face transplant?
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/12/2/214539.shtml
or the pregnant woman attacked by this dog at her own baby shower.
http://www.wkrg.com/alabama/article/pregnant_woman_attacked_by_dog_at_own_baby_shower/24457/Mar-15-2009_1-13-pm/
or this baby, who was mauled by the two family dogs. and killed.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Baby-Mauled-To-Death-By-Family-Dogs-In-Ystrad-Mynach-In-South-Wales/Article/200902115218549
Now I'm not posting this because I hate animals. Far from it. I have 3 cats and a dog. I love animals. All my animals have been strays, give aways, or adopted from the humane society. I'd never personally think of harming any animal. Unless it was to save a human. Fact is, as much as I love them and trust them as my companions, they are animals. I do not put their life above that of a human.
These are domesticated animals, that rely on us to feed and shelter them. Those animal instincts are not gone though. Did you know a housecat is one of the few creatures on this planet that kills for fun? I'm sure animals have affection or respect for us, possibly even love, regardless they're animals and can revert and act like an animal at the drop of a hat. As much as I love my dog, if it ever killed a baby I'd put it down myself.
Spare me your "think of the children" dross.
If it came down to saving you or saving my dog. ......See ya .
You're an idiot. You can't even properly address an issue, you just blindly resort to personal attacks. Like most animal activists types, your intelligence level shows why you identify so well with animals. You're as base, stupid, and predictable as an animal. Feel free to save your dog over a person's life, fact is, if animals were so well known for saving human's lives every single person would have a pet.
shareHere's a thought.
Maybe, people who can't care for animals shouldn't be allowed to have children.
Oh, and "if animals were so well known for saving human's lives" - Where did you get that gem from ? I could hazard a guess !
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"If it came down to saving you or saving my dog. ......See ya . "
I feel the same way!
Actully the first pet animals, well actually dogs, were not only companions but served as food if their masters were caught in bad conditions and couldn't get to another food source. If the early man didn't eat his own dog, the dog would eventually turn on him and eat him to survive. If a domesticated dog today went without food, after a while, it would attempt to eat it's master. It's in all creatures'nature to survive. Just a point so that you can be more educated as well. And what if we were talking about a lion or buffalo roaming in the Sahara (where buffalo don't roam but anyway?) What gives a house dog or cat more right to a wonderful life than a lion, buffalo, cow, chicken, salmon or any other animal? Who says house dogs, cats, and birds are off limits to anything. Many people already do own pets, myself included, and I don't agree with excessive animal cruelty, but many people have also had their pets turn on them. Not really picking a side here but you should check your facts before you call someone uneducated.
Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them. I don't give a *beep* how crazy they are!
This is an issue that is more important to people who own pets. I can't stand to see animals hurt, injured or killed in movies or even on tv (animal planet is like torture to me)but I am a meat-eating person and I understand that human life comes first and foremost over animal life. But, I think people who are raised with dogs or cats there whole lives and are taught to take care of and be responsible for them, feel a lot more unease at seeing them brutalized on screen. As someone above mentioned, pets are often akin to someone's child in a way. Personally, I think of my dogs as part of my family and the thought of them being hurt in any way makes me sick to my stomach, so seeing them killed in movies (although I KNOW it is fake!) just turns my stomach and almost ruins the movie experience for me. I never wind up wanting to rewatch the film again because of the scenes.
Especially such a disgusting, horrible scene as the cat-death in this film...and I am not even a cat-person. I am actually super-allergic and don't really like them...but, watching a cat burning alive in acid and then chopped in half is not cool.
WesternEyes05
Go watch " Satan's Little Helper" with the commentary. You will just love it.
OK, I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a minute...
I love animals. To tell you the truth, I'd have a much easier time hurting a human than a living animal. So I understand all of the hippie's points about animal cruelty and what not, but the fact is that this is a movie. They did not burn a cat with acid and cut him in half in REAL LIFE. It is a movie.
Typically, if these sorts of things are in movies, they are there for a reason. If you ever saw "Equilibreum", they mas murdered a bunch of cute dogs, but it was to create an emotional response from you for a movie about not being allowed to have emotion. Other movies take a different route to killing animals for comedy's sake, which doesn't end up working often because it's not funny, but take "Booondock Saints"... guy slams his hands on the table and accidentally blows the cat away with a shotgun and after the characters in the scene, as well as the viewers, are freaked out, you here "Is it dead!?" Admit it, you laughed at the scene... we all did.
This movie came very close to being unacceptable with the cat-death I'm not agreeing with a lot of the *beep* in here are saying, but its fairly obvious that a couple people in here are really 14 year old kids who shoot birds with bb guns and then dissect them while they are still alive. I cringed during the scene, I really didn't care for it and could have done without it. You have to understand that they filmmaker is thinking that if you are watching this gory movie, then you are a sick freak and will love that scene, or you like blood and guts and won't be horrible offended if it a little bit comes from a cat.
Fact is, the scene was uncalled for, but to whoever says that it ruined the entire movie for them, that's pretty lame. Get over it. Grind your teeth through the scene and enjoy the rest of the film, because it wasn't half bad.
I hate seeing animals hurt and killed, but if it is in a movie, I just close my eyes and someone tells me when it is over. I don't like having scenes like that in movies, but I am not going to disregard the rest of the movie. Regardless of the cat and dog scene, I still thought the movie was pretty good. Maybe not the plot itself, but the gore parts were good. After all, that is the point of watching horror movies. If you think an animal being killed is going to ruin the movie, then I suggest not watching horror movies period.
sharefirstly, define "highest life form". we have potential, but mostly we are destroying our own environment and therefore ourselves. highest, really?
and you support animal testing, because you think animals dont care about us? you dont get it. babies dont care about us either but im sure even u can understand that they need our love and support regardless of that. you dont realise it but you are the irrational one. true that rights are a human concept, but you know, even before we had invented "rights" there was still such a thing as good intentions. i feel sorry for people like you, because you are blinded by your own self righteousness. i think u fail to see the bigger picture because you think u are already seeing it.
too bad its not u who is being coldly manhandled and painfully tested on in an incomprehensible alien environment, since its ok according to u.
i have faith that sooner or later u will understand, but im guessing for u it will be... later.
have a nice trip!
chaoslaw8 - I agree.
People are forgetting that they, too, are animals. I won't get into all the ignorance spouted by some posters on here that think nonhuman animals are polar opposites of human animals. It's a waste of my time. So, I'll just say I despise animal cruelty in films because the human actors actually AUDITIONED for their roles, no matter how grisly a death/torture scene it is, whereas nonhuman animals have no choice and were placed there by a human.
Not to mention, humans do grisly things to nonhuman animals every day for thrills. Torture and killing for fun and/or profit, not survival, is pretty much exclusive to humans. See animal-abuse.com if you think people are so freaking superior.
I've already seen the worst movie ever made, so it can only be uphill from there.