This has been bugging me, i've watched the ninth gate but i don't get who the girl is. i wondered if she was the whore of babylon or something cos she was with some beast on the picture, like in the book of revelations. is she a demon? i'm so confused. it's quite obvious that she isn't human. and where does the ninth gate lead to? heaven? hell? I remember someone mentioning hell on the boards but why would any human voluntarily go to hell?
Well, the green eyes do suggest that she is a cat. Did you notice that they change color during the fornication scene? Anyhow, this next clip suggests that she is a witch. I think witches are human, but the girl could be a 'familiar', which would make her a demon.
Here's more evidence. The following clip shows Corso and the girl fighting off an unknown assailant. Notice, that the girl gets a bloody nose. It's only an accident. Corso hit her with his elbow while he was trying to punch the villain. However, it does imply that the girl is human, albeit demonic possession can't be ruled out altogether.
I suppose you should ask why should the Devil's son should be allowed to go there? Because Satan is an excellent lawyer. Sure, Corso committed adultery more than once in the film, but whose fault was it? In both cases he was the one who got 'jumped'.
One of many minions whose guidance allows the First Angel to reenter God's Heavenly Light?
I imagine that it isn't easy to arrange passage to heaven, if your a sinner. Recall that the girl fornicates with Corso, not long before she shows him how to open the 9th gate.
Perhaps we are to imagine that Corso was somehow raped, in which case he may be acquitted in Heaven's eyes. Nevertheless, it's hard to imagine why the sacrament of adultery would prepare Corso in any way for a spiritual life. So, I presume that Satan has evil plans for Corso. Perhaps once Corso enters Heaven, Satan will be able to corrupt more souls.
But, screwing isn't a sin sending you to hell. Some cultures..it's a pathway to heaven?
Well, sex is good if your a pagan. Some might even consider it sacred. But, I assume they are talking about consensual sex. Judging from what we see in the film, we get the impression that Corso was seduced. She bewitches him with her eyes and then takes him. And, the grimaces on her face during copulation don't give the impression that it's a sentimental love affair. You can bet that a producer like Polanski knows the difference. He wanted the scene to look like lust, and that's what I presume most of us saw.
Besides, a story about the Devil is more closely tied to Christian theology. And there is no doubt that fornication is a sin by biblical standards. In fact, even thinking about the act (lust) is a sin. IMO, Gnosticism is the best fit. If I am not mistaken, the grandfather of the whole Gnostic movement is a heretic by the name of Marcion de Sinope.
Marcion believed in two gods. The one in the Old Testament is evil, and Jesus Christ is good. He presented his views to a council of prominent spiritual leaders, and they promptly excommunicated him. All his writings were destroyed, but many of his contemporaries made reference to his theology in their own works.
The Roman Catholic church declared them to be heretics, and, for decades, Catholics systematically hunted down and burned all the Cathars at the stake. I'm wondering if there is a connection to Balkan, who was baptized by fire inside a Cathar castle.
Anyhow, a long time ago, Satan made his way into Heaven, corrupted a bunch of souls and imprisoned them in this world, which, for all practical purposes, is Hell. Heaven is spiritual light and incarnate freedom, while Hell is materialism, the Kingdom of Shadows, and Donald Chump.
When we die, our souls are simply re-incarnated and we return to the same Hell that we have been living for countless generations. Unless, of course, we can find a way to liberate our souls, by breaking all ties to the material world. For the average Cathar, that means a life of abstinence, sanctifying rituals, and fasting before we die, etc. Corso, on the other hand, was granted direct passage to Heaven via the 9th Gate.
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Dude, Lucifer comes from latin word lux, lucis, which means light
so, NO, the light in the end is not heavenly.
This is Satan's point of view, he goes toward the light, toards the secret knowledge, that is, Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden because they acquired knowledge
Dude, Lucifer comes from latin word lux, lucis, which means light
Agreed. In the following clip, you will see Corso sitting down reading. Initially, the desk lamp is off. Then, he says the magic words 'Sic Luceat Lux', and immediately afterwards the lamp is on. Very subtle isn't it?
My interpretation: Corso has spiritual power, but doesn't even know it. At this stage in his life, he is still very much a materialist, and money is his main interest. Notice at the end of the clip that he is somehow able to see the girl with his glasses off, but, as soon as he puts them on, she disappears. His glasses allow him to better see physical reality, but they are blinding his perception of the ethereal.
This is Satan's point of view, he goes toward the light, towards the secret knowledge, that is, Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden because they acquired knowledge.
Lets take a closer look at one of the engravings Corso was examining.
From a Gnostic perspective, God IS the Tree of Life. God did not create humanity, rather, we are one with God. Our souls are the leaves. Satan used the lightening to severe our branch.
SIC LUCEAT LUX = LET THERE BE LIGHT
Sound familiar? Unknowest to many Christians, Satan is the one who actually created our world. What little light we have down here in Hell, Satan stole from Heaven. How do I know all this? Well, Polanski showed me Château de Puivert.
The girl is the Devil. Polanski has said repeatedly she is the Devil. It's kind of obvious really, we saw how powerful she is, she can float around at will, has incredible strength and can seemingly just appear wherever she wants. And when you think about it, it's all about her and what she wants. There's no reason to think anyone else is the Devil.
He doesn't say she's definitely the devil, most are aware she's at least working on his behalf, the debate is whether she's Lucifer or just one of his minions. Roman Polanski implies it can be either, he states it's open to interpretation.
I haven't read the book myself but some who have say she's a fallen angel whilst others say she's a fallen angel who is hinted at as being Lucifer. So it seems the mystery and ambiguity of her true background is part of both film and book.
"Well for those who don't get it all I may say a few words about the character of the girl in the film, she clearly represents the devil even if it's not the devil itself, she's at least his messenger but she can be interpreted as the devil who takes appearance which is more suitable for the work he has to do." - Roman Polanski, The Ninth Gate commentary.