Who is the girl???


This has been bugging me, i've watched the ninth gate but i don't get who the girl is. i wondered if she was the whore of babylon or something cos she was with some beast on the picture, like in the book of revelations. is she a demon? i'm so confused. it's quite obvious that she isn't human. and where does the ninth gate lead to? heaven? hell? I remember someone mentioning hell on the boards but why would any human voluntarily go to hell?

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IMO The Devil

Prostitute: What the *beep* are you doing?
Johnny: I'm gonna kill a bunch of people.

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She is Babalon, who in Enochian Magick is Mother of all the Angels. She is the Gnostic Barbelo, the original confusion in the Tower of Babel, the counterpart to the Whore of Babalon and sits of the 4 headed Naga, the serpent always represents wisdom, the female Wisdom Goddesses such as Sophia. :D

At the end, the Journey is to Enlightenment. Either you have the Keys to the Kingdom or not, but academic occultists rarely have worldly experience. The Application of Hidden Knowledge is the key to the Kingdom, and to all who dwell on LHP or RHP are missing the point

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"There's Walkers in the Barn and Lori's Pregnant"

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The book it is based on outright says it is Lucifer herself.

But yes, Corso received knowledge at the end. He didn't go to hell, he didn't go to heaven, and he didn't become a super hero.

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The book it is based on outright says it is Lucifer herself.

But yes, Corso received knowledge at the end. He didn't go to hell, he didn't go to heaven, and he didn't become a super hero.


This is my exact interpretation of the movie!

She is the devil and the light at the end is simply absolute knowledge, not a metaphor for Corso leaving/entering hell.


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***Note the post below gives spoilers to both the book and film***

In the book the Club Dumas its pretty clear she's the "devil" and probably doesn't want to be summoned by Borjas (who was merged with the character Boris Balkan to streamline the film) and thus protected Corso as "she" felt he was more worthy. The problem here was the movie was changed a bit from the original book. In a book the ninth engraving was ascertained at the end to be a complete forgery and it never shows the "real" ninth engraving. In the movie the "unforged" version found at the Cencias Brothers house in Portugal seemed to depict her. All the nine engravings were depicted in the Club Dumas and when Corso was researching it he actually stated this engraving to be the Whore of Babylon. In the book there is actually another engraving which looks more like the girl in which she is being executed by an angel.

In addition, in the film Corso explicitly experiences many things directly from the engravings. Like when the scaffolding falls, or when in the castle the fourth tower burns leaving three, or the way his friend was hung by one foot like in the engraving. The book the Club Dumas was more subtle, and he did not experience these occurrences.

In the movie being he seemed to be living the engravings, and consequently, she probably could be interpreted as the Whore of Babylon, who allows him to fulfill the necessary step of satanic lust and acts as the final ninth gate before Corso gives his soul to Satan thus becoming "the beast" like in the picture (and getting whatever associated powers associated with such a transaction).

In the book there is no sex under the burning castle, though Corso does have sex with the girl in his hotel. In the book Borjas (Balkan in the movie) fails at the ritual and he determined it was because the ninth engraving was a forgery. He consequently "lost his shadow" in the book implicating he had figured the riddle out and given up his soul.

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Very interesting...

Thanks for the input! Makes me wanna read the book too. Loved the movie, so mysterious and mystic, the book must be even better!

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Yeah I can def. see both sides, but I'm leaning more towards the girl being the devil. What is interesting is the fact that the back cover of the DVD actually reveals more information than the movie does!! It says Corso "ultimately finds himself confronting the devil incarnate" and there is a pentagram tattooed on her lower back!!! Just something to think about I guess...

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WHY would the devil be helping him?
wasn't she just one of his servants?

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I kind of go more with the idea of her being a spirtual guide to Corso on his quest. She seems morally indiffferent, not particularly evil, or domineering.. very low key for the character of Satan. Also I didn't know Satan could bleed. Which brings up another question, what was that bizzare incident about where she wiped her blood on his face???
This film is very reminiscent of Angel Heart where someone is sent out on a mission to find a person deeply involved in the occult, where it turns out that this person and the seeker are one in the same. I think the similarities with Balkan following closely behind Corso every step of the way as Robert Deniro did with Mickey Rourke in AH is what brought to mind the idea that it is Corso who might actually be the Devil, who is being led back to find his long lost glory. Aside from other hints about Corso that others on here have brought up, I think the most telling is that you notice that each time Satan is summoned in this film, first at the Chateau of De Martin, and when Balkan attempted his ritual, Corso shows up.

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I kind of go more with the idea of her being a spirtual guide to Corso on his quest. She seems morally indiffferent, not particularly evil, or domineering.. very low key for the character of Satan. Also I didn't know Satan could bleed.

I agree. This clip is just to illustrate the point. Notice that during the fight Corso strikes her accidentally. She is momentarily stunned, but then recovers, and, together, they chase the assailant away.

https://ulozto.net/!LJTRXiTr9/conflictofinterest-mp4

Which brings up another question, what was that bizzare incident about where she wiped her blood on his face???

Jesus Christ was baptized, so the anti-christ (Corso) has to be sanctified in someway. 'Blood is thicker than water', as they say. Here's another clip to illustrate the point.

https://ulozto.net/!7ZsWc3v7N/baptism-mp4

I think the similarities with Balkan following closely behind Corso every step of the way as Robert Deniro did with Mickey Rourke in AH is what brought to mind the idea that it is Corso who might actually be the Devil, who is being led back to find his long lost glory.
I have a simple theory. Jesus Christ is God's son, so Corso is the Devil's son. The only 'trick' is that Satan never told Corso, who, ironically, was pretty much a non-believer for most of the film. The 'book' is really just the Revelation told from Satan's point of view. It describes Corso's journey towards spiritual enlightenment, which ultimately leads him back to Heaven.

https://ulozto.net/!Gx6XTBcXT/baptismbyfire-mp4


I think the most telling is that you notice that each time Satan is summoned in this film, first at the Chateau of De Martin, and when Balkan attempted his ritual, Corso shows up
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Yet another of the film's many subtleties. Too subtle, IMO, for an American audience. The film was a box office disaster. Yet, I consider it the finest occult film that I've ever seen.

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