was anyone else amazed at the child abuse in this movie... there were several times when i was simply shocked.
i know it was made in the seventies... but WOW i just watched it for the first time last week and i was stunned.
what did you guys think?
.::.(i)hope some(<3)thing eats (you).::.
The adult characters were total bastards in this movie.
shareturner is the only bastard in this movie and you are meant to see him as a bastard. so what's the problem?
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"It's better not to know so much about what things mean." David Lynch
Maybe Timmy Lupus should have fixed him another Martini to avoid his hangover!
shareI have not read all the postes on this board but most of them are about being shocked by the "child" abuse going on in this film.
Guess what..
I got belt whippings. I got yelled at. I was slapped. I got spanked.
I also graduated from both college and high school.
I have never been arrested.
I have good credit.
I own a home.
I never smoked pot until my junior year in College.
Our society is so over the top PC it makes most people sick. We are shocked when we see people discipline there children but at the same time are miffed when we see children acting up in public. When the real issues of child abuse are uncovered there are many people that think you should "understand" why abusers act this way.
The reality is that the old ways are best. A little discipline is OK at the right times. Child abuse to me is allowing your kids to run wild and undisciplined.
How weird I thought this was a BNB thread not your troubled past, but thanks for sharing!
sharei stand by my original post -_-
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Samma, it was not portrayed as "acceptable" for Buttermaker to throw beer in Amanda's face. The point was that Buttermaker is an A$$HOLE, and the viewer is supposed to feel that is is a jerk. It is successful in its goal, don't you think?
But I'll play Devil's Advocate here. What should have happened to Buttermaker, then? The cops come and throw him in jail? Buttermaker is a jerk, and had an adult seen that happen, they probably would have beat him up, or at least called him out on it. He is a jerk, and that's the point of that scene. The viewer is not supposed to laugh, or feel that Amanda deserved that in any way. The audience is SUPPOSED to be angered by it. HE IS A JERK.
Child abuse is physically assaulting a child, not spanking, but beating, torturing, killing pets in front of them, setting them on fire, etc. Throwing beer in a kid's face is a dispicable thing to do, but it's hardly child abuse, ie, an arrestable offence.
Buttermaker was verbally abusive to the kids, but I think mildly so. He yelled at them and insulted them, but this is a sports movie. If you've ever played contact sports, you realize that it's all a part of that. People get excited, tension runs high, lots of testosterone and emotions at work.
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I think the people who defend the abuse in this movie (who are probably in their 30's and 40's) on a message board proves that child abuse is WRONG and screws up people in the long run.
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I think a lot of the younger ones that got through childhood without "corporal punishment" think the idea of slapping a kid around is funny.
shareI think both of you are way off.
First of all, I am not defending child abuse. I am saying that in this movie Buttermaker's abusive behavior is a plot device to show the viewer that he's an a$$hole. I never said it was an appropriate thing to do. I am saying that the reason it's in the movie is to prove a point about the character.
And the comment about "younger ones that got through childhood without corporal punishment think the idea of slapping a kid around is funny." This statement makes absolutely no sense to me. Why would anyone, a "younger one" or anyone, think hitting a kid is funny? I would think that a kid who got through childhood without corporal punishment would be all the more revolted by it. They grow up thinking that hitting people is wrong. I would think that a person who had punished with corporal punishment would be more sympathetic to what is now called a child abuser, BUT! I think that even the person who had been physically punished would STILL see Buttermaker as an abusive a$$hole.
Because he is. The acts of the character very successfully prove this.
I was an age group competitive swimmer in the 1970's. Some parents and coaches can be and were total *beep* I'd see parents yell at their kids because they did not win. I'd see coaches yell at swimmers because they did not win. It was awful. My parents never yelled at me. All they asked for was I do the best I can do.
What was funny was I was one of the few that stuck with the sport right through my senior year of high school. There were plenty of much better swimmers who gave it up for a lot of reasons. It was then I learned the best athletes in any sport are the people who don't quit.
When I saw Michael Phelps win all of those gold medals I knew he was not only the best but he was one of the few who was able to stay with his sport from childhood through adulthood. He might even be the best swimmer period of his generation. But it would also not surprise me someone with equal talent gave it all up at about at age 11 or 12.
I agree completely. The same could be said for musicians.
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"Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book." --Cicero, born 106 B.C. died 43 B.C.
"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint." Hesiod, 8th century B.C.
There were some very powerful, sometimes cruel scenes. They were tough to watch but important to the theme of the movie.
I'm glad they were put it.
I didn't see any child abuse.
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Tanner wasn't dumped into a trashed can. He was dropped into it by another kid the same age. And nobody was "forced" to drink alcohol in the Dugout. The alcohol was drank willingly by the kids.
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Nope. I wish I was when I was in Little League. Beer in the Dugout. Gotta love it! :)
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@ Samma Grace
Get your head out from under the hole in the ground.
"You know, my name..."
Nowadays, if a teacher/administrator/coach/etc so much as gave a kid a dirty look, he/she would be in a load of trouble with CPS!
I'm a bad movie masochist!
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The movie was showing the difference between Buttermaker and the the Yankees(?) manager who slapped his boy. Buttermaker was a drunken loser who felt saddled with these kids, and was indifferent to them. The beer in Amanda's face was the only part relative to the only emotional connection he had, and he didn't want to have it.
(She wasn't his daughter, BTW, but the daughter of one of his old girlfriends, and apparently had a good relationship with him back then.)
This fit with the fact that the kids were all misfits, and the beerfest and their language and lack of discipline showed that, so they didn't find Buttermaker's attitude to them that strange.
The contrast between Buttermaker's lazy, indifferent, anything-goes-just don't get run over, attitude vs. the incredible pressure from the Yankee father, who not only struck down, but humiliated his own son in front of everyone was very powerful.
I loved that the mother took her son away.
The movie was showing the difference between Buttermaker and the the Yankees(?) manager who slapped his boy. Buttermaker was a drunken loser who felt saddled with these kids, and was indifferent to them. The beer in Amanda's face was the only part relative to the only emotional connection he had, and he didn't want to have it.
(She wasn't his daughter, BTW, but the daughter of one of his old girlfriends, and apparently had a good relationship with him back then.)
This fit with the fact that the kids were all misfits, and the beerfest and their language and lack of discipline showed that, so they didn't find Buttermaker's attitude to them that strange.
The contrast between Buttermaker's lazy, indifferent, anything-goes-just don't get run over, attitude vs. the incredible pressure from the Yankee father, who not only struck down, but humiliated his own son in front of everyone was very powerful.
I loved that the mother took her son away.
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