was anyone else amazed at the child abuse in this movie... there were several times when i was simply shocked.
i know it was made in the seventies... but WOW i just watched it for the first time last week and i was stunned.
what did you guys think?
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It doesn't shock me because I was a kid a long time ago and experienced it myself. There was a time when spanking/paddling, slapping, shoving, berating, etc., were not considered child abuse; that was just the way it was, and it was felt that it worked.
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I also believe in use the punishment needed, depending on the child. I was born 1970 & the BNB was dead on the way it was in the 70's. No one looked twice. The Trueness is what makes this film so Great to me (and much more). Oh bnbnumber12 Great work on all your BNB research & literature. I think I have read all your work on the web. If not feel free to send to me. Thanks.
shareI just watched this movie again tonight. I can certainly see why some would cry "abuse" here.
That being said, after the Yankees manager slapped his son on the mound, note the reaction. While no-one cried abuse, everyone was still stunned that a coach would slap a player, even if that's his own kid. Even the kid's mother cursed out the father/coach for that. On top of that, BEER for the kids after the game? Back then, beer was a little too much, but now, that's a lawsuit!
Speaking of cursing, I had forgotten about the language of the kids in this film. Not just the profanity, but the hate language spewed by Tanner (including the n-word) would never be allowed today, neither on the field or in the movies. Think language has gotten worse over the years? Take a look at this flick and tell me the same.
I'm involved in Little League baseball, and I realize this movie is over the top. While the championship game is one of the best in movies, I wouldn't let my kid see the movie without some serious editing. Little League baseball works hard to make sure that coaches are leaders and role models, much unlike those in this movie. Maybe this movie had something to do with that.
While the championship game is one of the best in movies, I wouldn't let my kid see the movie without some serious editing.
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your right, dude. the remake got a pg-13. if they came out withe the orginal today it would be r for sure!!!!!
you can trouble me for a warm glass of SHUT THE HELL UP!!
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"A stretcher for his balls?" *beep* *beep* spics..." Just some of my favorite quotes. Or how about when Buttermaker throws a beer at his daughter? Personally I loved this film. Loved it. I was around 5 years old when this came out.... I miss those times and the reason it wasn't considered child abuse was because society was different and we trusted it wouldn't go beyond the occassional slap or curse. Now a days it can lead to murder. People are different now so laws have changed. That's what I think.
sharethe beer didn't have any alcohol in it. And with the profanity, i think that some words are used more, but some words are used less, so it could go either way.
shareIn the remake, the beer was non-alcholic, but not in the original. Again,
you could do that in the '70s, even though you were still breaking the law. People were more laid back and had thicker skin back then.
The original captured true feelings and passions, young and old and forgotten (though dormant not extinct!). It was ugly yet beuatiful - Just like life is, so wonderful!
Physical abuse, profanity, the n-word, beer, the lot. Is reality really so different now? Or would we just not like it on the screen? This film is about spirit and finding something in yourself, and a togetherness.
The remake is ok but has none of the emotional connections or relationships the original does. For me, the remake itself was done to be careful of modern issues. What a shame but no surprise. So now don't no need to even hold a mirror up to ourselves and not like what we see, we airbrush it all from social history like it never existed at all, never mind that it still exists!
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I believe in corporal punishment and paddling. Time out and grounding in MHO does not work.
shareI agree. The same parents that complain about profanity, and nudity on television will not even think twice about letting their barely teenage daughter wear very revealing clothing and thongs as she leaves the house to go see an ultra-violent movie like Saw. Here is a novel concept...re-assert your authority and be a parent.
shareI am watching this movie right now --- for the first time since its original release in 1976. I was 10years old at the time. I thought to myself "Hmmmmmm. Ive GOT to go and look at IMBd and see how long it takes to find some posting about "CHILD ABUSE" just for the hell of it . As I suspected, it didn't take long!!!
For the most part, this movie reflected real life of the time. I was in little league at this time and this is the way it was!!!! Some of the parents and coaches DID take the game WAYYYY too seriously. And face it. Kids can be mean, foul mouthed little bastards. The big difference is that back then, the parents actually participated in their kids' lives. Parents actually knew where their kids were and what they were doing. If the opposing Team Manager's brat tried to hit another kid with a ball, the father at that time WOULD HAVE gone out on the field and done the same damn thing! Nobody would have called a lawyer, police OR child protective services either.
az, your post is so right on. I think it goes to show that what a kid REALLY wants is attention and trust. I think they will take the slurs and, yes, some of that abusive anger (I'm not talking about the physical abuse) if they are doing something they want to do and feel invested in by their parent or an equivalent authority figure.
shareyea, celebrating mediocrity and letting kids become the dominant is working well :\
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Same here. I was born in 71 and this is how we grew up.
shareI actually thought it was a must in this movie. It was the turning point that let Matthau turns to his kids and look at them, thinking "wow, these are kids, what're we doing? they just wanna have fun."
Hopefully it was a message to all the parents out there, "re-evaluate the way you treat your kids, emotionally and physically. Hopefully it's not like this."
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Most of it was part of the movie. Roy Turner, yanks manager took it way too serious for little league, and Buttermaker thought the kids wanted some respect for themselves. They have to put these things in the movie to have someone dislike. I don`t think it was abuse though.
shareOK, the BIG shocker that I see is that today's little leagues, whether it be baseball, basketball, volleyball, softball, football, soccer....et.al; there is just not much difference in the actual attitudes of the parents. Parents flat-out either watch or coach their kids so that they can relive their own dreams. Anything less that their kid playing every inning, every quarter, every period, is taken as a slap in the parent's face. I have seen too many parents go blows during and after games over stupid stuff, and please don't think that the kid forgets it. Just an FYI for everyone.
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I'd rather teach a kid that winning is a whole lot better than losing, than have an outcome where the kids, like most today, think it's completely acceptable to fail and fail again. I heard someone say "30 is the new 20".
Of course! These new 30 year olds are still living at home, hiding behind their internet because they've learned that being a loser is A-OK. Let's not even start a debate on the losers just "graduating" High School these days. ...and when they start work, oh my, it's the biggest shock of their life having to be accountable for themselves ...like someone who plays sports and has to learn how to compete in an environment chalk full of accountability.
Some parents take it over the top, like Coach Turner in the Bad News Bears. Some kids are left to learn how to take pride in their actions from their peers because their flower child parents tell them everything is ok, like Lupus. To me this movie is about a group of misfits, not all kids, who generate integrity and pride where there was none. What brings it all together, sports.
It's not about right or left. It's about accountability to oneself and ones peers. If you don't have it, you'll lead a sad, directionless life. Heck, even Jack Kerouac and Bob Dylan had focus and accountability in their expertise. Your insane categorization of people who live in a certain place is biggoted and negates your own projection as a liberal. You are nothing but an elitist biggot.
Have a nice day though.
Hey what is so bad about pride anyways, Shouldn't people who have a talent want to excel, Contribute to humanity. It is selfish and narrow minded to think competition, pride and good old fashioned effort is wrong. People can take your credentials you can lose your job, friends, even family. Only you can give away your pride and dignity, and only you can earn it no one else can steal it from you but you.
In the movie the one boy did rebel against his bullying father. But...hitting a kid who deserved DID work! Look at the messes we call teens today who have no respect for anyone not even themselves!
shareSOOOO my guess would be that you prefer the leagues where they don't keep score and everyone plays and there's no loser and everyone is warm and fuzzy?????
Well good luck to your kid, when he/she enters the real world!!!!!!
In real life----Sometimes you lose----Unless your good you don't play, not even on the team likely---Sometimes your best isn't enough. Usually no one cares!
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Where exactly was "child abuse" in this movie? The closest thing to it was the one coach slapping his son down on the mound. When did people become such wusses? Kids need discipline.....period, and little lectures and time-outs isn't going to give it to them. If you want your kids to grow up strung out on drugs, pregnant by 14 or just completely shiftless...go ahead and send them to time-out when they do something wrong. If you want your kids to understand that when they F-up, then there are serious consequences and that is all the more reason to be motivated to do the right thing, then give them a good smack when they deserve it.
"True wisdom comes from knowing that you know nothing. That's US, Dude!"
I saw this movie when I was 11 years old. That is the 70's for you. Now many of the scenes would be considered child abuse and politically incorrect. Buttermaker threw beer in Amanda's face and made her cry. Saying that he is a bum and wants to drink his beer without anyone bothering him. It is unrealistic by today's standards to have a drunk coach a boys baseball team. Buttermaker was drunk at practices and when he cleaned pools. Amanda and the boys had to finish the job after Buttermaker passed out.
share"In the remake, the beer was non-alcholic, "
Seriously?? That's really weak, why even bother?
um. keh.
i [started] this post && i havent really been on here lately to keep up with it.
but i want to clear some things up...
im kind of peeved about the whole "useless teenagers" thing.. && the "where is the abuse?"
first of all.. i, myself, am a teenager... && therefore. i resent that statemant. im not even going to dignify it with all of the things that have done to make myself not "useless".
moving on.
"where's the abuse?"
being a teenager.. nowadays.
i saw A LOT of abuse.
things that i have been raised to believe is wrong.
things that i would/will never do to my child or anyone elses.
[so take that for 'useless teenge generation']
i accept that back in the 70's slapping children. or the language.. liquor/beer.. throwing the beer in amanda's face... may have been acceptable..
wasnt slavery legal at one time too?
keh.
we've developed.
so is it that much of a shock that someone my age would watch this movie && see the abuse? things that ive been taught are just plain wrong? not really.
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Samma you got some growing up to do. Do you not realize how much worse young people are today then they ever were before? Sure...every generation has had it's fair share of bad eggs but it is getting pretty ridiculous now. You have 9 year old girls walking around dressed literally like street trash, kids yelling and cursing at thier parents showing absolutly no respect whatsoever, kids engaging in sexual activity and drug use far younger than ever before, and parents who are helpless to do anything about it because if they do they have child services at thier door in an instant threating to take the kids away.
Kids are allowed to get away with pretty much anything these days and parents can do nothing about it. Why Because the kids have nothing to fear so they grow up with zero respect and zero dicipline. There is a gaping chasm between abuse and dicipline and the more people try to narrow that gap, the worse kids are getting. The two greatest tools any parent has is fear and respect, if they don't have those they better pray to whatever is out there they they get a goodie-twoshoes lil sprat for a kid because if they don't they are in for a bumby ride. When you grow up and have kids you'll see for yourself.
"True wisdom comes from knowing that you know nothing. That's US, Dude!"
this is so off topic but--who lets their nine year old walk around dressed like street trash? PARENTS. don't give me this BS that parents can't control their kids, because it's all about parents wanting to be their kids' best friends as opposed to a frigging PARENT.
if my grandmother saw me acting out of line, she let me know and i listened to her because she was dead serious and didn't *beep* around. it wasn't because i feared her but because i LOVED and RESPECTED her that i listened.
i don't see any 'abuse' at all in this film--more like this is how things were in the seventies when i was growing up, period.
you said:
"Kids are allowed to get away with pretty much anything these days and parents can do nothing about it." you are part of the problem, sorry to say. i bet you're one of those people that stands in line at the supermarket or goes to a restaurant while your kid is running around and screaming while you look on smiling and patting their head thinking, 'isn't my precious so SPECIAL?' sorry, but you are NOT helpless and you do NOT get CPS at your door within minutes for spanking OR discipline.
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heh, you're cool with me, ideali. all good fun on the imdb message boards!
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Oh there are still coaches who come to games drunk. My son's t-ball coach last year was buzzed half the time during practices and games. I could smell it on him and see it in his eyes, but atleast he didn't bring a beer with him. He might of had diabetes tho too, who knows...
shareIts funny but seeing this as a 10 year-old when it came out, it didn't seem shocking at all...watching it now through the lense of adult-hood and a more pc-world it does...though a comedy I think its portrayal of youth sports & the adults who coach it are dead on--even today
sharesorry.
but i dont really see my need to grow up because of my views on child abuse.
how can you even remotely try to justify throwing a beer in a young girls face?
spanking, fine.
keep your kids in line.. i understand.
but throwing beer in a childs face is [wrong]
plain && simple.
ten year olds walking the street dressed like trash? that's the parents fault for letting them. drug abuse, sex at a young age... i can point out parents that are just as irresponsible.
maybe i havent seen a quarter of everything that there is to see.
but i know right from wrong.
i used to get spankings from my parents.. but never excessive && i turned out well rounded && quite mature [if i do say so myself]
dont tell me to grow up.
there's a whole world around us that needs to more than i do.
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sorry.
but i dont really see my need to grow up because of my views on child abuse.
how can you even remotely try to justify throwing a beer in a young girls face?
spanking, fine.
keep your kids in line.. i understand.
but throwing beer in a childs face is [wrong]
plain && simple.
ten year olds walking the street dressed like trash? that's the parents fault for letting them. drug abuse, sex at a young age... i can point out parents that are just as irresponsible.
maybe i havent seen a quarter of everything that there is to see.
but i know right from wrong.
i used to get spankings from my parents.. but never excessive && i turned out well rounded && quite mature [if i do say so myself]
dont tell me to grow up.
there's a whole world around us that needs to more than i do.
"first of all.. i, myself, am a teenager...."
This is why I said you got growing up to do, not because of any of your views on abuse. Just wanted to clear that up...
"True wisdom comes from knowing that you know nothing. That's US, Dude!"
so, because im 19 i need to grow up?
duh. it's not like i can speed that up.
&& i still think ive got a strong grip on things... even though i do need to 'grow up'
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I think that the reason our country is so full of gutless turds today is because of whiners like you who cry about "child abuse" every time someone looks at a kid crosseyed.
shareonce again...
looking at a kid crosseyed && throwing a beer in their face are two COMPLETELY different things.
ugh. morals anyone?
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It's a freakin' MOVIE! Made in 1975, when parents still for the most part cared about what their kids did. I was your age when this movie came out (born in '56), and that's the way it was! No amount of today's political correctness is ever going to obscure the fact that a)kids talk and act that way, even today, b) there's more abuse heaped upon children and women in movies, songs, and real life now, than back then, except today it's couched in "more acceptable" language, c) children, to a large extent, still mirror the values of the parents, especially younger pre-teens. If we start "revising" the movies so that they're palpable for today's audiences, are we not practicing the same kind of revisionism as in Orwell's "1984"? Fact is, in '76, we used the "n" word, sometimes in anger, sometimes as a descriptive noun, and sometimes as a term of friendship with an Afro-American person. It was how they referred to themselves sometimes, back then.
Yes, times change, morals change, and the sensibilities of a society change. But, my dear, remember you're ranting about a movie that was made by a different generation FOR a different generation, and released 12 years prior to your birth. That you were somehow shocked by the then-casual profanity of this movie in this day of songs like "Smack My Bitch up", and when some blacks still refer to each other as the "N" word, is a tribute to how true the picture was in its' portrayals, even for comedic effect. At 19, you truly do have some "growing up" to do.
Hopefully, one day we'll have a society where children aren't abused, and all of society's ills will be dealt with, but it's not going to happen unless people learn to stop moralizing over 30 year old films, and put their righteous indignation into political action. Oh, wait, that's how we got the neo-Fascist PMRC. When people in America are no longer able to express themselves freely (and it's heading that way), America will no longer be free.
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i love the 'stfu you pc loving idiot'... because im anything but. lol. i didnt think i would be pegged as 'pc loving'
im only commenting on the difference between 'discipline' from now && then. yes. im young... 20 now. so lets update that. =] ... but i still stick to what i said in the first place... i was shocked that it was acceptable to throw a beer in a child's face in 1975. i [understand] that things were different back then. but that was still a bit excessive.
just for me to see that in a movie... and to imagine it being acceptable is.. to me... insane. compared to some of the laws or standards of today. not saying that a movie should be revised [although they have revised it in the newer version.. which just shows that.. duh. thats not acceptable nowaday]
i was only saying that watching the original was completely different from the new one && comparing/contrasting... what was then considered okay is now not.
i dont see the reason for name-calling or belittling... just because i didnt grow up in that kind of enviroment. im sorry for those that were. and i dont really have any respect for my 'generation' as you are all saying... most of them are pathetic, but that doesnt mean the same for me.
and as for me 'growing up'... im doing it everyday... yet i [am] only 20. theres a lot i dont understand/get yet.
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I agree that the throwing the beer at Amanda's face was harsh. The dad hitting the pitcher was also a shocker - but it's just a characterization on how some idiot fathers take a kid's game so seriously. When I was 9 years old I had a coach in little league baseball who yelled at us all the time and I hated him. He even made his own son cry.
I saw this movie as a young kid after it came out. Thought it was cool, still is - swearing, fighting and bigotry - it's called reality. Tanner friggin' rocks! Screw the new remade watered down PC version with the non-alcholic beer (for whimps!) and the stupid wheelchair kid. Lame!
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The movie was about some very boorish characters, so why fret if they act boorishly?
shareAfter the Yankees pitcher hit the Bears player Turner should have realized that he was putting to much pressure on his son instead of slapping him. What Buttermaker did to Amanda was far worse. It wasn't that he just threw beer in her face he told her that he wanted nothing to do with her which is a horrible thing to tell your daughter. Its one thing to be an *beep* but that was vicious.
shareI think you are confusing reality with the movie. I don't think anyone was sitting around going "Yeah Buttermaker show the little b***h who's boss" I think the reaction of pretty much everyone was the same as their reaction when the Yankees manager slapped his kid. They were stunned. That would indicate that the behavior was not acceptable. The acts themselves, while important, were not as important as the reaction. Just because something happens in a movie does not mean it was socially acceptable. I don't know too many people who would think it would be OK to throw beer in a child's face then or now. I also don't think too many people would think it would be acceptable to slap a kid like the Yankees coach did.
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