I don't personally think this is the best western ever made (although the integrity of the anti-violence theme is remarkable for a western in 1958 - or even today). I do, however, feel strongly that the music soundtrack by Jerome Moross is the best film score ever composed for a western, and one of the top ten film scores ever. The scope of the themes is unmatched, and evokes the sweep and majesty of the wide open spaces like no other music I have ever heard. I'd love to hear what other opinions are on this, but they won't sway my feelings one way or the other. This soundtrack (which I own) will always be a personal favorite.
Believe it or not, but one of my "best scores" is Carmine Coppola's for Apocalypse Now - or rather the soundtrack, which is one of the few true soundtracks, with actual sound of the film on record, rather than just the music. In fact all of F.F.Coppolas films have good soundtracks.
In most cases I'd agree with that - with the exception of a few. The soundtrack for Goodfellas, for example, is disappointing because it's a collection of some of the pieces used in the film - rather than the brilliant mix of them that you can hear while watching some of the most dramatic moments of the movie (I'm pretty sure Scorsese himself was involved in making those mixes!)
Holy cow -- a five-year gabfest on this thread. A big "nicely done" to the OP for instigating a great discussion.
I agree with most of the postings; many writers have identified WONDERFUL scores and the only minor argument I might have with some is where they belong on the list in what order, not whether or not they do belong.
But -- a couple of additional comments --
I found the score to "Das Boot" to be stirring and very well integrated into the movie; I can't conceive of any music fitting better to the exceptional changes of mood within the film.
ANYTHING by John Williams could probably go on the list. Not all of his work is "great music," but almost every piece he does is a great film score -- and the topic is great film scores, not great music. I firmly believe that Jaws, Star Wars, E.T., Jurassic Park, etc. would not have been the phenomena they were without the perfect music Williams wrote for them.
And finally -- though a little-known film -- Prokofiev's score for "Lt Kije" is not only a great film score but a great standalone piece of music that belongs on every CD shelf!
Let me be the first responder in 2009 on this thread to include Herrmanns "Psycho". Only because Im sure someone forgot to. Almost ALL of the score's listed are favorites of mine. We all should get together sometime and lend an ear...
Yes, PSYCHO's score is often overlooked because it is so iconic and trend-setting that...well, it "hides in plain sight".
And speaking of Herrmann, I recently heard the score for THE GHOST AND MRS. MUIR for the first time (Don't ask why it took so long. It just did). That score is just beautiful.
I played Psycho (Bernard Herrmann's score, not the movie) after sitting through a hurricane. The music absolutely reflected my experience. Very cathartic.
My favorite film scores include quite a few Herrmann scores including those already mentioned in this thread. I will add his score for Jane Eyre (1944) and The Three Worlds of Gulliver (composed right after Psycho in 1960). I could add more, but on to some favorites by other composers:
The Big Country, of course. I'm also fond of an earlier score by Jerome Moross, The Proud Rebel (an offbeat Western featuring Alan Ladd, his son David Ladd, and Olivia de Havilland).
An early Elmer Bernstein score I love is his Some Came Running. He admitted it was influenced by Herrmann, but Bernstein really put his own stamp on this.
I'm positively addicted to Dimitri Tiomkin's The Guns of Navarone, the way he weaves the theme into variations underscoring the action. Another juicy Tiomkin score is Land of the Pharaohs.
Before Jaws, a John Williams score that remains ever potent to my ears, Williams wrote a haunting sea theme for The Poseidon Adventure. Love the seafaring music of John Williams.
Erich Wolfgang Korngold can do no wrong to my ears. Whether The Adventures of Robin Hood, which I've seen many times, or a Korngold-scored picture I've never seen, I love his scores.
If Miklos Rozsa had composed nothing but Ben-Hur, he would still be on my list of the great film composers. But I'm also most impressed with what he did for The Lost Weekend.
I have more favorites, but I'd better close this post. One more comment: This is a truly great thread.
Very good thread indeed, and maybe not too surprising how the cream seems to rise to the top- seeing how often certain composer's scores are mentioned. I'll echo the love shown for the scores of The Big Country, The Best Years of Our Lives, Ben-Hur, The Natural, The Last of the Mohicans, Lawrence of Arabia, The Magnificent Seven and The Great Escape, The Sea Hawk, Jaws, Star Wars, Casablanca, King Kong, Gone With the Wind. In the same way the stirring recurring main theme of The Last of the Mohicans pleasures I'll add the beautiful and haunting one from Black Robe. I just watched The French Connection for the first time in quite a while and was really impressed with the score by Don Ellis which fitted the subject matter to a "T". Herrmann's Taxi Driver was outstanding also. Pixar's animated The Incredibles had a pretty jazzy score! The majority of films I own have scores I really like obviously there's something going on there!
"The majority of films I own have scores I really like obviously there's something going on there!"
Indeed. It's hard to imagine a film like "The Magnificent Seven" without Bernstein's memorable score. It's as important to the overall effect as the images on the screen. In a sense, the best of the "horse-operas" are a little like -- "grand opera". No? . . .
I know some people, including the composer himself, considered it "junk food" music, but I'll always feel John Barry's James Bond scores in the 1960s were the most successful scores in film history as far as achieving their goals of enhancing the films they served. The James Bond theme is in my opinion the most effective theme ever used, and one of the reasons I am indifferent to all the Bond movies since is because they are missing that Barry magic.
Of course, they're also missing Connery, but that's another subject...
When it comes to praise for this score, the immense debt owed to Aaron Copeland should never be forgotten. Don't get me wrong, Moross did a great job on this score, I agree. When it came out we loved it and played it endlessly. That was in 1958 and you could get it on an LP. I had just gradutaed from High School and it was more or less our movie of the year, but I think it was mostly because of the music. The style, however, is almost a direct transfer of tonal patterns and rhythms composed originally by the great American classical composer, Aaron Copeland. If you listen you will hear some of the twelve-tone impressions of Arnold Schoenberg School which Copeland ultimately turned away from because of its dissonance and chaotic sound. Nonetheless, his music used some of those ideas and here Moross captures some of the best of it.
I think Copeland is simply an unavoidable influence on the majority of film westerns made through the years. Even up to the present day. Which I certainly don't think is a bad thing. At all.
As a movie lover and a professional musician, I am seriously drawn to the scores. This one is right up there with How The West Was Won for sweeping, picturesque presentation. Elmer Bernstein's Copland inspired work are my favorites, and Magnificent Seven, and The Shootist have been mentioned here, but I also love The Sons Of Katie Elder.
And, before we get too serious, let's not forget the wonderful score of Blazing Saddles!!
If we all liked the same movie, there'd only be one movie!
Glad you mentioned How The West Was Won score, I just watched the newly restored DVD (wow!) and loved the score! I hadn't seen the film since I was a kid (alas it wasn't a Cinerama presentation). I was really impressed with the job Alfred Newman and Co. did- fantastic soundtrack. One of my new favorites.
I'm not sure about the entire score but the title song of Blazing Saddles is definitely a classic!
I've said this before that maybe it isn't too surprising that many if not most of the films we really like also have great scores. They obviously contribute so much to a movie's enjoyment.
I just came from the PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN boards, where someone is claiming THAT score is the best ever. I think a lot of these kids just haven't heard nearly enough great film scores these days. Which maybe means they have a lot of wonderful aural experiences ahead of them. Including the experience of hearing this one.
Pirates of the Caribbean- I can't even recall the music from the first two films (that's as far as I'll get) in that series! The Lord of the Rings trilogy had a good score. I love Rozsa's El Cid, fantastic score one of the best ever.