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Bogart films: they haven't aged well


With the notable exception of Casablanca, I find that Bogart films have dated badly. I watch as many noirs as I can, and too many of them are embarassing by modern standards. I appreciate that innocence and naivety are noir themes, but come on - in High Sierra we have Bogie fawning over a cute dog. At times it resembles an episode of Lassie.

The first Bogart film I saw was Casablanca, and it is as good as any movie I've ever seen. But Key Largo, the Big Sleep, the Maltese Falcon, High Sierra - they've all disappointed me. Does anyone agree? Which Bogie films have aged best?

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"Bogart films: they haven't aged well"

Your post: it hasn't aged well.

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I like to award the "Dunce of IMDB" trophy to those who post unbelievably foolish or just plain stupid things.

You are now the proud title holder.

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Someday you'll realize that you are wrong.

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I'm sorry but I disagree with you, Bogart films are timeless more than ever. The 1930's & 40's was the golden age of hollywood, standards were a lot higher back then, it was an exciting time, something that we will never have again. So many of the 30's & 40's movies have stood the test of time, even the B movies are fun to watch.


Humphrey Bogart is the greatest movie star of all time & he's been dead for over 50 years yet his legacy keeps right on going, that is phenomenally amazing !! Bogart once said "A star is someone that lasts". I have a large collection of Bogart movies on VHS & DVD. 39 to be exact from all 3 dacades, I have some of his best & worst films. And Bogart was before my time. I have lost count how many times I've seen The Petrified Forest, Dead End, High Sierra, The Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep & others And I still never get enough.


As I said I have some of his most greatest movies but I also have some of his most rare obscure movies as well. The earliest one I have is Love Affair from 1932, his first leading role, Isle Of Fury (1936), San Quentin (1937) etc. Ok some of these old movies have aged a little but who cares, they're 60 or 70 years old. What do you expect ? The point is these movies will always have an audience & will always be appreciated & continue to gain new generations of fans for years to come & that says a lot. Most contemparary movies are only good to see just one time & that's it & then they become forgotten.


If you want to see a Humphrey Bogart movie that has stood the test of time watch Black Legion (1937). If that movie doesn't blow you away than nothing will. I think the 1970's movies & TV shows have aged very badly but the 30's & 40's & even the 50's have aged extremely well. Bogart is timeless! Which is more than I can say for todays movie stars... if you can call them that.

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In terms of dated, I think it would be important to fully acknowledge the existing standards of the day. It wouldn't matter how gritty they would have wanted to make the dialogue, they'd never get a movie into the cinemas if the words like firetruck or even switchhit were used. Let's not also forget massive special effects technology and technology in general. You could take a modern director, put him in a time machine back to the early 40s and he wouldn't be able to make a 'modern' film.

computer generated imagery has lead to a ridiculous plot or two over the years. Consider for example, a recently released film where they are plummeting to earth in a tank, where one of its parachutes break (and frankly even with both of them it likely wouldn't have landed safely) and they 'fly' the tank using the recoil from its main cannon to alter its trajectory and land in a lake, then drive out of it. I'll happily overlook a few minor issues with movies made well before I was born, rather than that nonsense (and to be fair I like action films and a bunch of recent films).

If nothing else, films like this can offer (if we do the movie going equivalent of reading between the lines) an insight into societal values of the time. I'm not suggesting they are a totally accurate depiction, and often plot/dialogue compromises had to be made, but surely I'm not the only one who is given some sort of education from it.

In other ways it is good that it is dated. Imagine if you will a film if it was made this year, but was 'set' in the 1940s. And imagine if they used some sort of trance or other dance music for various scenes. It'll be weird to say the least.

Having said all that, sure this isn't perhaps Bogart's best film, and some of the dialogue is corny.

The weirdest thing I see in gangster films (not related to this one as such) that doesn't 'gel' - it's the visiting sessions in prisons, where they talk on the phone. Having seen a friend who was in (remand?) waiting for trial (ended up being found not guilty fwiw) and visiting there, the darn things are so noisy, even with glass screens between the two, everyone had to yell into the phones, just to hear over the roar. In any movie though, even with crowded visitor rooms, you can hear dialogue clearly. Same goes for scenes shot inside a nightclub with music supposedly booming. I can only think of one show off the top of my head, where the music was loud, and the people speaking couldn't be heard even remotely clearly, and they supplied subtitles instead - which actually worked well, as it gave the sense of people shouting, but others only hearing if they were very close indeed, the rest being drowned out by the music.

I know it's a weird tangent, but the point is that even modern films can get a lot 'wrong' and they don't have to work within half as many restrictions as to the dialogue and content, relatively speaking.

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Apparently you aren't watching the same Bogie movies as the rest of us.


"in High Sierra we have Bogie fawning over a cute dog. At times it resembles an episode of Lassie."

I don't recall any episode of "Lassie" in which Timmy threatens to put a bullet through the dog's head, as Bogie does in High Sierra. If that's your definition of "fawning", you must be one tough cookie.


"The night was sultry."

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great movie! i'm 40 yrs old + this is my 1st time seeing it. wow! but i think he should've put a bullet thru that rotten dogs head. i guess he found out that mutt was bad luck after all. by the way, i was a gang banger back in the day + all my buddies LOVE dogs. think about it> gangsters + pitbulls! just bcuz ur a criminal doesnt mean u cant like dogs. obviously ur thinking about serial killers. they torture small animals + pull wings off of bugs etc. beautiful views in this movie, and as far as the car chases>>> well they didnt have GPS + police helicopters back then. there isnt a day that goes by in L.A. where i dont see a police car chasing some one. and they televise it! i think it was a pretty accurate portrayal of police procedure,etc. again, awesome movie.

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I know a criminal can be a dog lover. But in this movie, poor Roy kept having to stop what he was doing to deal with Pard. No wonder he got frustrated.

Glad you enjoyed the movie. You might like White Heat, too. It has car chases and a psychotic killer who doesn't even like people, much less dogs.

"The night was sultry."

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But Cody loved his Ma.

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Here you have another dissenting voice. Bogart never gave a bad performance and I've never seen him in a movie that was not compelling.

Go and ahead and be embarrassed. I won't be there to comfort you.

Enrique Sanchez

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If I had watched this a number of years ago, I would have thought it was dated and wouldnt have been able to appreciate it as much as I could have now.
In a way Im glad I watched it when I was a little older (not too old) and a little wiser. I most definately thought it would have been dated if I didnt.
Sure to the naked eye it can seem dated, but Im able to enjoy a Bogart movie, and not expect to be blown away by cgi and special effects. If people watch it and expect it to be like movies today then thats the first mistake.
To put it simply, I know the acting will be top notch and most certainly not dated.

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This is one of the best.


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