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Bogart films: they haven't aged well


With the notable exception of Casablanca, I find that Bogart films have dated badly. I watch as many noirs as I can, and too many of them are embarassing by modern standards. I appreciate that innocence and naivety are noir themes, but come on - in High Sierra we have Bogie fawning over a cute dog. At times it resembles an episode of Lassie.

The first Bogart film I saw was Casablanca, and it is as good as any movie I've ever seen. But Key Largo, the Big Sleep, the Maltese Falcon, High Sierra - they've all disappointed me. Does anyone agree? Which Bogie films have aged best?

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"by modern standards"

You're a sucker if you think there's something intrinsically more realistic about today's films. They're simply stylized in a way that suits received modern tastes, which are superficialities that perceptive film viewers can see through quite easily. The fact that he likes a dog and doesn't act like a stereotypical tough guy throughout, that's your argument for this being dated? It's complexity. These days gangsters would never show that side, you think that's more accurate? No gangster might have a pet he fawns over? I prefer it to the movies featuring cliched gritty-voiced "bad-asses", it's more interesting and still seems much more original, and certainly much less juvenile.

"Modern standards" will seem like a joke in only a few years. Then there will be new "modern standards" that will make the movies you think are good look "embarrassing". High Sierra will stand up because it was something completely new, not a tenth generation copy with a few skin deep touch-ups to please modern tastes that any viewer with acumen can see are bs.

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With the notable exception of Casablanca, I find that Bogart films have dated badly. I watch as many noirs as I can, and too many of them are embarassing by modern standards. I appreciate that innocence and naivety are noir themes, but come on - in High Sierra we have Bogie fawning over a cute dog. At times it resembles an episode of Lassie.

The first Bogart film I saw was Casablanca, and it is as good as any movie I've ever seen. But Key Largo, the Big Sleep, the Maltese Falcon, High Sierra - they've all disappointed me. Does anyone agree? Which Bogie films have aged best?

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You have ZERO clue.

Bogie's films haven't aged well??????

The Big Sleep has been remade with poor results, And The Caine Mutiny is a tour de force of Bogart's acting chops. As is The African Queen & The Desperate Hours and The Harder They Fall just to name a few!!!!!!!

Here's a BIG CLUE - In 50 years who will they STILL be TALKING about BOGART OR CLOONEY?????? BOGART OR HANKS?????? BOGART OR ANY OTHER MALE LEAD from the 70's & forward?????????

Answer BOGART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh and MODERN STANDARDS means A TON OF CURSING & NUDITY AND BLOW 'em up action.

Bogie NEVER had to stoop so low to be able to sell a movie!!!!!!!!!

Bogie could and can sell a movie on his ACTING CHOPS alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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Bogart is great as always, but the film is mediocre and the script is not great even with John Huston and the original author having written it.

Just recently watched Key Largo and that has has aged terrifically and it's a real classic and I have liked most of the films he's been in (always liked him regardless). But High Sierra is supposed to be one of the better ones and it was a big disappointment.


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Can't really compare High Sierra to Key Largo or the Maltese Falcon. It wasn't supposed to be the A Lister of WB back then. I wouldn't say this is bad or poor or even borderline average, but it's certainly not on the A List and that is to be expected with the way the Studio System did things.

For the most part, the bad films and recycled scripts are long forgotten. I've seen DVDs of this movie at stores so it mustn't be doing too bad eh? ;)

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Agree completely. I even own stuff like Across The Pacific and Action In The North Atlantic.

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"High Sierra" is a very significant gangster movie that surprised audiences in 1941. A late example released at a time when gangster films were drawing to a close. This is the film that turned Bogart into a major star followed up by "The Maltese Falcon" released the same year. He would only do one more gangster movie the lesser known film called "The Big Shot" in 1942. It's like "High Sierra" & it's quite good it was just released at the wrong time. "Casablanca" was just around the corner & it's probably Bogart's most popular movie & I do like the movie but it's not my favorite Bogart film. There is so many other films he did that were even better before & after. I prefer his gangster films like "The Petrified Forest", "Dead End" & "The Roaring Twenties" & private eye film noirs & the anti hero like "The Maltese Falcon" & "The Big Sleep" & "Key Largo". But I also like to see him sink his teeth into deep roles like "Black Legion", "The Treasure Of The Sierra Madre" & "The Caine Mutiny". I even like his rare obscure films including the B movies from all periods of his career. Such as "San Quentin", "Crime School", "Invisible Stripes", "Conflict", "Dark Passage", "Deadline USA", "The Desperate Hours".

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What are you talking about? I just got done watching this film and it's easily among Bogie's best. At least as good as Casablanca. This movie is not predictable in the slightest, and the character's are so well developed.

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In my opinion, Treasure of the Sierra Madre has only gotten better with age. And maybe that's partly due to it being so much more than a "Bogart film". Story, characters, dialogue,suporting actors, direction,etc. all add up to a work that's as great today as it was the year it was made.

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Go on watching The Avengers and Captain America. You deserve it and nothing more.

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I think this film has held-up incredibly well, and the reason is the performances of Bogart and Lupino. They both drew me into their world and made me care about them.
What are "modern standards", fake boobs or doing a scene 15,000 times until the actors can't emote anymore because they're exhausted? Bogart's films hold up better than most noirs I've seen.
And if you really paid attention to this movie, you would know that fawning over the dog was a device to show that Earle was a sensitive, caring man deep down inside. The theme of the movie was his inner struggle with his simple, country youth that he wanted to get back to and the fact that he was a murdering criminal.

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Well, I disagree wholeheartedly with the OP. But, we must remember that films belong to the director. There are no "Bogart" films, only films in which he acted. This film, HS, is a Walsh film. I make this point only because the the OP's lack of knowledge further weakens his opinions. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the opinions of more knowledgable people hold more weight and garner more support.

I am about to re-watch HS. YES!



KIAI ... please.

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I like movies from all time periods, not sure what a film aging well has to do with anything. Just watch this and enjoy it for what it is.

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Bogart films go over well with my movie group. I showed ACTION IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC last night and will be showing HIGH SIERRA within the next three weeks.

Old age isn't for sissies--Bette Davis

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Haven't aged well? Maybe it's you that hasn't aged well. Wait till puberty has dropped both your testicles and then watch the films again. Till then, keep off the streets or Roy Earle and I will kick your immature ass all the way up to Mount Whitney and back, you film noir punk.

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