With the notable exception of Casablanca, I find that Bogart films have dated badly. I watch as many noirs as I can, and too many of them are embarassing by modern standards. I appreciate that innocence and naivety are noir themes, but come on - in High Sierra we have Bogie fawning over a cute dog. At times it resembles an episode of Lassie.
The first Bogart film I saw was Casablanca, and it is as good as any movie I've ever seen. But Key Largo, the Big Sleep, the Maltese Falcon, High Sierra - they've all disappointed me. Does anyone agree? Which Bogie films have aged best?
I find that High Sierra hasn't aged well, it did not seem as interesting as the others. That doesn't mean the entire noir genre suddenly looks weak in modern eyes.
In order to understand Film Noir, I think it's important to understand the context and what made the characters the way they were.
Early Noirs were a reflection of the era starting with the end of WWI, Prohibition/Bootlegging, The Dust Bowl, the Crash of '29 and leading up to the early years of WWII (before the US became involved). Early in this film we see Bogey talking to the new owner of his family's farm. The sub-text is that the Earle family lost the farm in the Depression and the present owner was also in deep trouble. People lost faith in the government and the American Dream. People felt abandoned and isolated; many, many of them were desperate. So in Roy Earle, we have an Indiana farm boy who clearly was "brought up right", but turned to crime out of necessity. His odd affection for "Pard" is no different from characters in other Noirs whose downfalls were the love of women who often were symbolic of faith in American values.
In later Noirs, the protagonists were often soldiers who returned to the States after WWII. Today, we'd say most of them had Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. They had seen such horrors that they were forced to becmme hardened in order to cope with experiencing "Man's Inhumanity to man". They also understood the ultimate doom that the atomic bomb represented - a threat unlike any the world had ever seen before.
They often seemed driven to self-defeat or self-destruction. Others were aimless wanderers who were trying to fit into a society that neither understood them nor respected their sacrifices. In the later Noir films, the women changed as well. In many cases, the "hooker with the heart of gold" was replaced by women who were just as ruthless as their men, or even more so (Jane Greer). This intensified the hero's (or villain's) alienation because now they couldn't even count on the altruistic support of the women they loved. Everybody was a potential enemy - a sort of pervading paranoia had set in.
I don't think High Sierra stands up well today purely on the strength of the story, but nonetheless, we see finely crafted performances by the brilliant Ida Lupino (brilliant in ways beyond her acting skills - check out her bio), Bogey at his best, Henry Travers in what was probably his greatest and most nuanced role, along with supporting stalwarts like Barton MacLane, Arthur O'Connell and the rest.
Bogart's best film remains the criminally under-seen In a Lonely Place...you guys should also watch The Harder they Fall. Two late Bogart films that many fans miss. And no, I dont even see how it is possible for anyone to think these films havent aged well. Movies from the '40s are different from today, of course, but this is what makes them so appealing. Nobody writes dialogue like that found in Casablanca, Maltese Falcon, Big Sleep, or Lonely Place anymore.
In order to understand Film Noir, I think it's important to understand the context and what made the characters the way they were.
Early Noirs were a reflection of the era starting with the end of WWI, (UM- NO!) Prohibition/Bootlegging, The Dust Bowl, the Crash of '29 and leading up to the early years of WWII (before the US became involved).
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by - vocalistbob on Fri Dec 26 2008 08:16:04 ______________________________
Read up - Noir doesn't start until 1946 with "The Maltese Falcon" or, slightly earlier, "I Wake Up Screaming."
Couldn't disagree more with a post. I don't know what makes the OP think that his films havn't aged well, but if someones films have ages well in the whole of Cinema history, for me it would a more than fair amouny of Bogarts films.
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Noir doesn't start until 1946 with "The Maltese Falcon" or, slightly earlier, "I Wake Up Screaming."
That statement is a contradiction.
Falcon came out in 1941.
The *term* "film noir" didn't come into common usage until shortly after the War (1946 or so), because that was when the French finally go to see American films made after 1939 or 40. But the style had been evolving for some time before that. There's an awful lot of similarities to "film noir" in the "poetic realist" movement in pre-War French cinema. Some of them are almost indistinguishable from noirs (Port of Shadows comes to mind). There were also elements that became major pieces of noir's identity in the expressionist portion of German silent cinema (and a number of those directors came to the States and continued to influance the evolution of film noir).
Selecting any single movie as being the unequivocal "first film noir" is mostly just an arbitrary boundary demarkation, so that clean chapter boundaries can be set for book authors / editors. Most of the time, styles and genres evolve more than spring up spontaneously and fully formed.
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I did find High Sierra WAAAY too sentimental, especially for a gangster flick. Still, it's notable as a prototype of sorts for the film noir.
Have you seen Treasure of the Sierra Madre? Amazing film! Angels with Dirty Faces is also fantastic, but that's a Cagney movie in which Bogart has a rather small part.
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You're absolutely wrong. Think about it: what the hell does the Harry Potter movies go on about ? Or the Pirates of the Carribeans (sp) ? They just go on and on and on, without any real plot. They will age horribly, because they have zero to say about anything.
'He's the only man I know who can strut sitting down.'
With regard to Earle fawning over Pard, an episode of The Sopranos brought out the fact that sociopaths - although I wont go so far as to call Earle one - have a fondness for babies and children...and don't forget, he did state that he "ought to put a bullet in his (Pard's) head", lol.
Having said that, I feel all his films have stood the test of time, if only for his presence. His innate strength of character in the face of evil is timeless.
I've never understood the criticism of "modern standards." There's no such thing. That is to say, there are many different kinds of modern standards, some of which still fit movies like High Sierra (since it continues to be played on TV and sold on DVD/Blu-ray). If you, OP, don't personally like the film, that's fine. But to dismiss this movie (or any other Bogart movie) as "dated" because it doesn't fit your idea of "modern standards" is just lazy film critique and a pretty shallow view of culture.
With regard to Earle fawning over Pard, an episode of The Sopranos brought out the fact that sociopaths - although I wont go so far as to call Earle one - have a fondness for babies and children...and don't forget, he did state that he "ought to put a bullet in his (Pard's) head", lol.
I don't know how many sociopaths you've known, but the ones I've known do to dogs what they'd happily do to babies if they could--and none of it involves fondness. They can certainly fake affection, and they may respond to the "cuteness" of dogs and babies. But that doesn't mean you should trust them alone with either.