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Supports murderer Kyle Rittenhouse


he paid for his bail, not cool

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It was self defense.

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Interesting that every rightwinger says that while us normal folks who see the same video see heroes trying to stop a mass shooter. Unless Trump pardons him I'm pretty sure the jury will convict. Then he can use his Go Fund Me site to buy a skirt and stilettos!

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No one was attacking him?

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He didn't walk into a school or church and open fire. He was under attack by peaceful protesters.

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peaceful protestors with criminal records

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one of them was a domestic violence perpetrator
the other was a meth head

This is who the left defends.

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because they are all criminals at heart

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...and kyle is a domestic violent perpetrator towards girls, and that is who "YOU" are defending as your hero:
https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/video-shows-kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-punching-a-girl-report/

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FYI it's just as illegal to shoot people with criminal records, as it is to shoot anyone else.

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Criminal to defend oneself from people with criminal records who attack you first?

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Previous criminal records have absolutely no bearing on this case, it's all about who attacked, threatened, or tried to disarm whom first. And that is up to the legal system to decide.

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Why do you write criminal records?

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I was repeating the phrase used above.

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ok

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thanks, Captain Obvious

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Sadly, sometimes it's necessary to explain the obvious.

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and obviously in this case you're wrong

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There was an active shooter. Several people tried to stop him and got shot. If a teacher had attempted to take down Eric Harris in the middle of the Columbine massacre, would you call shooting the teacher self-defense? Only in the most technical, playing dumb sort of way does that count as self-defense!

This Rittenhouse kid was a right wing douche bag spoiling for a fight. He was just looking for an excuse to use that rifle. His social media posts make that pretty clear. By the way, there's also a video on YouTube that shows him assaulting a teenage girl in his hometown. He's a bully. No one should see him as any kind of hero. The members of the crowd who intervened - they were heroes, putting themselves at risk to stop a guy who was running down the street firing his gun and a threat to everyone in the area.

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He was leaving, they shot a warning shot. He started ruining away

Then got him to the ground, and he fucked them up

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Yes, definitely. I put him in the same category as the Parkland shooter. By the way there have been so many mass shooting in the past 4 years we can't even remember them all! Mostly committed by Ultraright Trumpers. Here the 3 victims were heroes who tried to stop him. I pray a jury convicts and he's in prison for life.

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Isn't it gangbangers who commit the most shootings?

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If I remember correctly inner city shootings and suicides make up the largest part of Gun deaths in America. Mass shootings using long guns account for less than 1%.

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so he was a douchebag?
so what?
the peeps he terminated were worse than douchebags,
seems like both sides were scummy at the very least & the outcome of 2 dead criminals isn't something anyone should be crying about

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Kyle was illegally carrying a firearm which was unlawfully supplied by his buddy Dominick Black, than the video link I posted shows his history of beating the shit out little girls; so imagine that little girl was your daughter, or sister, or a loved one that he almost beat to death.

Yes, Kyle is also a criminal (a serial killer in the making), never the less, a live criminal that took the lives of two and almost ended a third.
Go and tell the families of those two how they shouldn't cry for their "scummy" husband, or father, or brother, or son that was murdered by "a hero" that some here are admiring and praising.

These lots are the very same that would defend, praise and admire all the convicted serial killers in history by using the justified excuse that they murdered and killed because they were defending themselves.

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you're actually insane,
the girl he beat was attacking his female friend... does the video show he's a piece of shit & he should have either held the girl back or not gotten involved? yes
the video you linked to is also truncated, the beginning of the incident is not shown, which is pretty much normal for biased MSM these days, you should track down an unedited version to educate yourself better,

i'd rather not interact with the familes of those 2 criminals Kyle smoked, as they'd probably be rather scummy themselves if they were heartbroken by the deaths of their shitty relatives,

i guess maybe you're a troll because this last paragraph of yours is beyond hyperbole & makes you seem unstable if not

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lol...That actually makes Kyle look even worse since that was between two females and had nothing to do with him.

Looking at the video, he was certainly not trying to prevent them from fighting, instead he went mike tyson on the girl "twice"...open your eyes, it was clear, and even if that was between him and the girl and she had slapped him, it would not excuse or justify his excessive physical violence towards her, so if that is what it takes for a big strong coward to do what he did to her in such a violent manner, than yes, he is certainly a POS.

Regardless of the truncated or initial missing video, it does not excuse or justify what he was doing to her on that video.

Perhaps you and others are able to relate to Kyle so easily since you are so quick to justify and excuse such violence against women and the murdering of other people with an illegally obtained firefarm.

He was arrested and charged with multiple counts of homicide and unlawful possession of a firearm.

By the way, what is it with you lot, always turning everything into some political shit?, Is it impossible for anyone on these chat boards to keep the fuck1ng politics out of everything or anything?...WTF?

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First of all, no one has a right to appoint themselves judge, jury, and executioner. Secondly only one of them likely did anything seriously wrong. Huber, the second dead victim, had a history of violent behavior and domestic incidents starting as a teenager. He never killed anyone though. Did he deserve to die?

36-year-old Joseph Rosenbaum, the first fatality, was convicted of sexual contact with a minor, a.k.a. statutory rape, in 2002. But subtract 18 years from his current age and what do you get? 18. We don't know for CERTAIN he didn't abuse a toddler or something like that. But far and away the most likely explanation is that he had a 15 or 16 year old girlfriend and her parents caught them in bed, then couldn't be talked out of pressing charges, something like that. When a guy under 21 is charged with this particular offense that's nearly always the reason why. Do you really think he deserved a bullet in the head for it?

26-year-old Gaige Grosskreutz, who survived - the most serious offense he ever committed was violating a Wisconsin law against carrying a gun while intoxicated. Should he have had half his arm blown off for trying to stop an active shooter? If we've learned anything these past twenty years it's that if you're too close to an active shooter to get away or seek cover your best bet is to disarm them (or shoot them if you have a firearm of your own). Despite the risk to the individuals involved members of the crowd rushing the shooter is the best way of avoiding a potential mass casualty event.

Law and order doesn't mean what some people seem to think it does. Strutting down the street like a Clint Eastwood wannabe giving orders to fellow citizens, assault rifle prominently displayed, is NOT law and order. It's vigilantism. Kyle Rittenhouse was not law enforcement, the only ones who have a legal right to patrol public areas and order crowds to disperse or move. You don't get to irresponsibly provoke other people and flash a gun, then use that weapon if they twitch the wrong way or try to disarm you out of fear of what you might do. The consequences are on you. The kind of Wild West ride in and clean up the town BS Rittenhouse was engaged in is wrong no matter how you justify it.

Human life is more important than possible damage to property. And the choice is simply not his - or yours, or mine, or anyone else's - to make. What gives someone the right to decide another person is an undesirable and should be terminated?

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i'm not condoning any kind of judge, jury, & executioner scenario because that's certainly not what happened,
a kid with a gun was threatened, attacked, chased, & ultimately had to defend himself two separate times, resulting in the death of shitty humans,
no tears shed,
was Kyle there to be just a good guy & protect businesses? probably not,
but what the fuck were those "peaceful protestors" doing there aside from burning, looting, harassing, vandalizing?

and Rosenbaum molested & raped boys under the age of 15

https://s3.amazonaws.com/jnswire/jns-media/57/7f/11464076/rosenbaumrecords.pdf

which is why he was sentenced to 10 years, something that's probably never happened to an 18 year old guy hooking up with a 15 year old girl...

and Grosskreutz was a criminal piece of shit who shouldn't have been carrying a concealed pistol

on a personal note, if someone feels the need to defend their property with deadly force, that's fine by me,
i have no sympathy for criminals

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...and Kyle is a criminal POS no better than the other two which does not give him the right to be judge, jury, and executioner; and he is only 17, give it another 10 and he will make the other two look like saints in comparison.

A POS for carrying a concealed pistol?, and yet, that also makes Kyle another POS for carrying an illegally obtained firearm and without any permits.

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Kyle is no better than rioters destroying people's property, starting fires, yelling & screaming at anyone who tells them to knock it off?
if we're siding with criminals in these situations i'll proudly side with the criminal who is trying to stop the senseless rioting, & you can chum up with the jobless hooligans using any excuse to act like anarchists every night of the week

Kyle was not a criminal up until the night of the shootings,
Grosskreutz was a repeat offender running around with a gun in his backpack

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Kyle was already a criminal and a violent bully before the riot.

1.) When he illegally obtained a firearm and then he and his friend took it without the knowledge or consent of the friend's father.
2.) Enjoyed beating the shit out of little girls.

Kyle appointed himself judge, jury, and executioner before going to the protest.

There is a difference in carrying a concealed weapon and waving a powerful automatic rifle with hand on the trigger in front of other civilians (which is construed as threatening and intimidating to others), especially when Kyle may as well have been another Colombine shooter to those civilians.

This is not about taking sides, this is about Kyle's provocation and intimidation of others to excuse and justify self-defense in order for him to take lives. I have personally seen other civilians with similar AR rifles carried on their backs instead of holding it in a fire-ready position with hands on handle and trigger like he did. Kyle was not trying to stop anything or protect anyone's property as witness reported that they never asked nor requested for their property to be protected, he was there to intimidate and provoke others so he can murder them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest_shooting

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020/11/19/Man-accused-of-buying-guns-in-Kenosha-Wis-shooting-to-stand-trial/3271605810316/

https://www.vox.com/2020/8/27/21404117/kenosha-kyle-rittenhouse-police-gun-populism

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/video-shows-kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-punching-a-girl-report/

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i love that you linked that Wikipedia article because it's absolutely factual & paints a great picture of the whole ordeal,
& completely obliterates your whole backwards argument

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Be specific, how exactly does it obliterate it?
Or are you just been a contrarian? 🤪

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it lays out the facts & they are simple:
Kyle was strapped, he was threatened & attacked, he defended himself because some losers decided that a boy with a gun wasn't scary enough to deter their criminal activities

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Also, consider two things based on all your logic and replies to me and others here.

1.) If that little girl's father was just like Kyle and he was walking out of the grocery store to see that Kyle was violently and brutally beating his daughter in such manner, regardless of the reason, and going by your logic, the girl's father would have pulled out his AR/handgun and ended Kyle right on the spot and called it: "defending the life of his child".

2.) The protester with the concealed gun did not pull his gun until he perceived a threat by some civilian teenager in civilian clothes holding an AR in readiness to start firing at others at which point when Kyle starts firing bullets everywhere and your daughter, son, wife, brother, sister, parents, or one of your loved ones was incidentally shot and killed by one of Kyle's powerful rapid shooting bullets, then you would be looking at things from a completely different perspective.

BTW, I have noticed your rancor and absolute judgement of "criminals".
First of all, the only ones that are not criminals are "children", otherwise, just because you have never been caught by the law does not mean you are innocent of never breaking any laws regardless of the severity, level, misdemeanor, or felony.....Have you ever exceeded the speed limit? have you ever ran a stop light?...etc.

You never know what you will do in a given circumstance until you find yourself in someone else's position.

None of those civilians in all those reported mass shootings and killings were carrying a concealed weapon in order stop the shotter(s), and even then, it is no easy task to take a life even to stop/restrain a mass murderer on a rampage. To those civilians at the protest, Kyle was just another intimidating bully with an AR ready to end others. The irony of it is that some of those that forcefully confronted Kyle had a similar mentality and did what was necessary to try and restrain him without "actually" killing him, the same cannot be said about your "hero" Kyle.

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1. your argument is including so many assumptions about a person's mentality that are incredibly wrong & only put forth to suit your own ideas...this scenario of a father shooting a dumb boy hitting a girl is wildly inaccurate to any position i may or may not have implied by my writings on this internet movie fan message board... a better comparison would be if the girl had a gun & Kyle had still started beating her up, then she shoots him...who could argue with that??

2. kyle was retreating, trying to escape the mob of violent protestors chasing him,
Kyle was not "firing bullets everywhere," & especially not until the latter portions of the video shared online when he fired off a few rounds, as he fell & the criminal protestors jumped on the chance to commit bodily harm or death to him

i can't believe i've got a guy here using the "running a stop sign" criminal defense here, yes we're all just as bad as serial killers & child rapists because we all fall under the label of "criminal,"
naivete at its best

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Until I find something confirmed from a reputable source - every news outlet I can find that ran a detailed story seems to be right wing - I'm going to refrain from any further speculation on Rosenbaum's case at age 18. Files involving juvenile victims are often sealed, which is why details were so scarce. And if it was sealed it would have to go before a judge to be unsealed before details could be made public. That .pdf file could be genuine or it could be a fabrication.

Regardless ... you can't strut around with a gun giving orders to other citizens, alarm them to the point where they feel the need to disarm you, and then cry self-defense. Kyle Rittenhouse was not a police officer. He had no legal authority to be giving commands to other civilians on a public street or demanding they relocate somewhere else. Please don't make this kid out to be some poor innocent who was minding his own business confronting a group of protestors with his assault rifle when he was suddenly and viciously attacked. 😎

Seriously. Don't insult everyone's intelligence here. He showed up hoping for the chance to square off against some left wing protestors, you had some protestors probably also eager to confront a Trump supporter, he got up in their faces, they refused to take orders from a MAGA hat and tried taking away his gun, he opened fire. You don't get to march up to someone brandishing a weapon and then blame them for making a move on you. If someone close enough to disarm is threatening you with an AR-15 your best (and perhaps only) chance is to get that gun away from them! Once they've got it trained on you you're totally at their mercy.

... Grosskreutz was a criminal piece of shit who shouldn't have been carrying a concealed pistol


Are you for real? He's a criminal piece of shit who shouldn't have been LEGALLY carrying a gun if he didn't want to get shot. But Kyle Rittenhouse is a hero for ILLEGALLY carrying a weapon and waving it around like a penis substitute. If a black BLM protestor was walking down the street openly carrying an assault rifle he'd be damn lucky if all the police did was just stop him. Yet Rittenhouse walked right by a bunch of cops and they didn't even question what the hell he was doing. Explain how that makes sense!

Which is the worst crime - looting a store, starting a fire, or shooting someone in the head? This is not a trick question. If you said looting or starting a fire you got it wrong.

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there's a reason why you could only find conservative news outlets reporting on the criminal histories of these "victims,"
ever heard of MSM bias?
the PDF could be fabricated or not... but the 10 year sentence speaks to its authenticity,
from what i've read, some of the rioters had started a fire near or on the property of a gas station & some good samaritans tried stopping it & the situation escalated... so criminals took offense at citizens attempting to stop a crime,
so if i were breaking into a car on the street & some guy yells at me to stop & brandishes a gun... i'm supposed to attack him & extract the weapon from him? or maybe i could just stop committing the crime & be on my way?

Kyle a hero? you're confusing me with MAGA chuds who are trying to make him an icon for vigilantism/patriotism/etc... i'm just presenting logic & reason into this conversation because it's lacking,
i don't think being convicted of burglary allows for "legally" carrying any gun, let alone one concealed in a backpack,
& have you heard of that black militant group NFAC? marching all over Georgia with rifles, pistols, wearing all black faux-military regalia?

& the cops drove past Kyle for several different reasons, & it really confuses me that people like you can't even recognize or comprehend those reasons, as if you have never put yourself in another's shoes, considered another perspective other than you own...
that last question is void of context & just bait - which i will take,
so starting a home fire to kill a family you despise is not worse than shooting a combatant in the head during a war battle?
what if i owned a 7-11 & paid a homeless man to break into my competitor's store once every two weeks to wreak havoc & screw with the owner's profits, he finds out & confronts me with a gun & says he will kill me for destroying his livelihood... but i have a shotgun under the counter & i shoot him in the head in self-defense?

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& it really confuses me that people like you can't even recognize or comprehend those reasons, as if you have never put yourself in another's shoes, considered another perspective other than you own...


It confuses you that I don't think it's legit for some tough guy wannabe to come swaggering down the street with an assault weapon giving orders to people and threatening to shoot? Or that I think it's hypocritical - not to mention racist - that Kyle Rittenhouse would be invisible to the police with his open carry AR-15 while a black man with the same weapon, walking down the street just like him, might well be shot with little warning. Or at least face a line of cops ordering him to drop his weapon ... right ... now!

You're right. I don't get that. You either confront both or neither. And if they had bothered stopping Rittenhouse they might've discovered he'd crossed state lines with a weapon he did NOT have a legal permit to carry.

You are inventing contrived situations, which were not what I was talking about. Lighting a family's house on fire with them inside is not what I said - I was asking whether you think looting or burning stores (a Wendy's restaurant, a Best Buy) is worthy of a bullet in the head. And a lot of the serious looting was actually done by organized shoplifting crews exploiting the protests to cover their theft. One group even had a U-Haul van and lookouts with walkies keeping tabs on the police. Additionally, a number of the people who set fires and were arrested turned out to be members of white supremacist groups trying to turn the protests violent so they could make the very claims about the BLM people that they've been making. I imagine some of them got away but at least a few were sloppy enough to get caught. So the picture is nowhere near as clear cut as some would have us believe.

Have you noticed though, how a lot of those folks who seem almost eager to take their guns and kill them something just so happen to end up in a position where they "had" to do it? I don't trust that. I prefer my coincidences ... a little less coincidental.

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"You're right. I don't get that. You either confront both or neither. And if they had bothered stopping Rittenhouse they might've discovered he'd crossed state lines with a weapon he did NOT have a legal permit to carry. "

no, you take each situation as individual,
cops roll down the street & all in front of them is a bunch of rioters & hooligans,
& in fact as police, you are there to quell the rioters & criminal hooligans....so your focus is, surprise, on all the action up the street,
on their periphery is a guy walking slowly with his hands up,
why would they even bother with him?

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on their periphery is a guy walking slowly with his hands up,
why would they even bother with him?


Because he's open carrying an AR-15?

My point was: identical circumstances in every way, except replace white teen with black teen. Totally different outcome. Alternate universe Kyle would be lucky to get a warning before being gunned down by the cops - who would claim they feared for their lives in the moment, the universal immunity incantation that wards off criminal charges.

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In your analogy, Rittenhouse is the teacher shooting at the Columbine shooters.

He did not fire until fired upon. There are numerous videos that show this. He was shot at, after which he shot back. That's self-defense. He was thrown to the ground and someone had a gun pointed at his head. If you can't see that as self-defense, then I don't know what else to day to you.

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Sir, you have that backwards.

It was Kyle that started shooting in the air to intimidate and provoke the rioters with his almighty precious weapon that he illegally obtained, and at which point, those "other" protesters felt threatened enough to attempt to disarm him one way or the other.

The "only" difference between Kyle and the Columbine shooters is that Kyle did not have the chance to kill as many and cried "self-defense" to justify it.

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I have seen zero evidence that Rittenhouse shot first. Do you have any source to back up your claim? Every news report I've read, and every video I've watched, indicates that a man identified as Joshua Ziminski fired a shot either into the air near Rittenhouse, or aimed at Rittenhouse, while Rittenhouse was running from Joseph Rosenbaum. At that point, Rittenhouse turns and faces Rosenbaum, who lunged and tried to grab Rittenhouse' gun. Then Rittenhouse fires for the first time. If you can't agree that to be a clear case of self-defense, then there's no real point to use having this conversation.

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Kyle was there with an illegally obtained firefarm and he was a minor under the age to carry one according to the Wisconsin laws.
The witness reports states that he and his friend "volunteered" when the business owner(s) were clear that they never asked for their business to be guarded. Both guns were locked away by Black's father whom both Kyle and Black's step son obtained without his knowledge or consent.

Kyle's only purpose at the protest was to do some killing and he made it obvious and clear.

To the protesters, he was some other kid waving a gun with hand in trigger that was ready to start killing.

People were threatened and afraid enough to try and disarm him by any means necessary, if they were like Kyle, then Kyle would have been dead as well. He, however, had no reservations in taking the lives of almost three persons and would have killed more if given the time and opportunity.

You don't go to a public outing waving a rifle/gun around and not expect some civilians or bystanders to be afraid and/or threatened enough to fight back or try to disarm you so you can start killing people while using self-defense as a justification means.
Convicted killers and murders often use the "self-defense" as a justification plea as an excuse.

He was was not a police officer nor a government official in any capacity and did not have any lawful rights to carry a firearm since he was under age to carry one with an unlawfully obtained firearm. Paint it however you want, at the end of the day, self-defense had nothing to do with it, he went there with the sole purpose of taking some lives one way or the other. He already had a violent history of been a bully that enjoyed beating the shit out of little girls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest_shooting

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020/11/19/Man-accused-of-buying-guns-in-Kenosha-Wis-shooting-to-stand-trial/3271605810316/

https://www.vox.com/2020/8/27/21404117/kenosha-kyle-rittenhouse-police-gun-populism

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/video-shows-kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-punching-a-girl-report/

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why do weirdos like you always sum things up with men getting their just desserts in prison by being raped?
is this some fantasy you obsess over?

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For him, it will be a just and deserving reward.
At least I'm not calling out for his ultimate demise.
He was the one that "ran" straight home after the killings and then cried out self-defense.

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wouldn't a more just reward be death?
why does he have to be gay raped?
is this fantasy a part of your nightly journal? do you already have a named picked out for the cellmate rapist?

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you say "video?"
there are videoS, multiple, try doing some research at watch them chronologically

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Are you saying 75million Americans are not "normal"?
Maybe you are just a fucking pussy that watches too much CNN

They tried to kill him and lynch him, he shot back and defended himself

This is no difference to the Covington kids
Deep state wants the narrative that anyone that stands up for themselves, is punished

They chased him, they fired a warning shot, they got him to the ground. and THEN. and ONLY then
Did he shoot back and fucked them up

The people that got shot, is a domestic violence perpetrator and the other is a meth head
These are your "hero's" - You sick sad fuck

You're not the "normal" one!
Don't fucking talk about normal, you are complicit in their actions through your willful ignorance to recognize objective reality

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Tone down the language there, Skynet. You can get banned just like us flesh and bloods.

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Don't sensor me just because I'm showing a crack in the matrix programming

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Open the pod bay doors HAL, before I censor your sensors.

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The only cracks you are showing are the ones from your ass and the one from the crack pipe you have been smoking.

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It's a bot. The keyword Skynet apparently made it draw a connection with another sci-fi movie involving artificial intelligence. Didn't pick up on the HAL reference for some reason though. Anyway - it doesn't really comprehend what it's saying, so ... 🤖

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Yeah, I suspected that it was either a "dormant sock troll" that comes out trolling every few weeks or "bert", the sock-troll that was constantly changing his username every time the moderators would delete his account.

It may be a bot, but I think it's bert. I will ask him the next time he comes trolling this way.

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I don't think Trump can pardon that asshole. The charges would be at the state, not federal level.

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You are far from "normal".

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Identity politics at its finest, you saw it here folks, identity politics at its finest. Only a dollar, please pay at the door!

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Interesting that every rightwinger says that while us normal folks who see the same video see heroes trying to stop a mass shooter. Unless Trump pardons him I'm pretty sure the jury will convict. Then he can use his Go Fund Me site to buy a skirt and stilettos!

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I’m what I consider a centrist. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal, for the most part anyway. Here is my question. Was this guy pointing his firearm at anyone when the crowd tried to disarm him? I have heard he was trying to get away from them and someone in the crowd pointed a hand gun at him. Stand your ground laws in most states say if you are attacked and fear for your life, then deadly force is warranted.

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What happened is he had already killed Joseph before the video began. The video shows him running away after having committed that murder and witnesses yelling to stop him. 2 heroes tried to do so, one Anthony was his 2nd murder and Gaige was seriously wounded. Then Vile went toward the police who told him to go home (the cops were on his side and cheered him on in a previous video). That's it in a nutshell. He then became a hero for the Ultraright, hence what we see now. I had no idea Rick Schroder was a Fascist until now.

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This is from Wikipedia:

Video footage showed Rittenhouse being pursued across a parking lot by Rosenbaum,[5] who threw something in Rittenhouse's direction,[35][34] identified as a plastic bag.[33] As Rittenhouse was running from Rosenbaum, two shots can be heard, one from an unknown third party, fired for an unknown reason, and one from Joshua Ziminski, who fired a self-described "warning shot" into the air,[36] causing Rittenhouse to stop running and turn towards the sound of Ziminski's shot.[5] On-the-scene reporter Richie McGinniss has since stated that the sound of the shot was the moment Rittenhouse “went from running away to aiming his weapon”.[36] Then, according to Kenosha County prosecutors, Rosenbaum managed to engage Rittenhouse and tried to take his rifle from him.[37][38][39] Rittenhouse then fired four shots, hitting Rosenbaum in the groin, back, and left hand.

Sounds like Joseph Rosenbaum chased him and tried to take his rifle.

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Yes, because that is what happened

These people are delusional conspiracy theory types, they think the police and white people are all in it together killing black people and the violent mobs that are rioting and burning shit down are the hero's

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This guy Adam is a real POS for purposely misleading people here. If I have the facts of the case straight, a court will rule the shooting as self defense.

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No, confronting someone and getting in their face face with a gun, then shooting them when they try to grab it from you - that's not self defense. It's already controversial (a big cause of the BLM protests in fact) when police officers get effective immunity by simply stating they feared for their lives in the moment, even when that supposed fear strains credibility. This doesn't apply to civilians though.

You can't be an aggressor and then claim self defense. Those who initiate and/or escalate a confrontation are not innocent victims under the law. Add to that the fact that Rittenhouse was effectively acting as law enforcement, which he had no right to do. A mob didn't invade his property and try to kill him. All this happened on a public street. Kyle Rittenhouse is almost certainly going to prison, convicted on at LEAST some of those charges.

The law doesn't function as an arm of the right wing, granting their wishes and fantasies. Sorry. If you're going to swagger down the street with a gun and menace people with it, self defense becomes almost impossible to claim in court if things go sideways.

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Are you saying he pointed a firearm at someone before they tried to disarm him? If so that’s a different story according to the law.

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He was apparently pointing that gun at a lot of people that night and threatening to use it, as were the two other guys in the parking lot with him.

I don't think we know for sure what touched off the confrontation between Kyle Rittenhouse and Mr. Rosenbaum. Although it probably did begin with a similar pointing of weapon and making of threat. It appears there was another gunshot off to the side from an unknown source (more than one person fired into the air during the protest) after which Rittenhouse turned around and fired at Rosenbaum who was pursuing him - but unarmed.

Once you have some random guy running and gunning, he's an active shooter to anyone who sees him. Given what's happened too many times in the past we all know the drill: escape if you can, otherwise take cover, and go after the gunman if you can't do either of those things - it may be the only way to stop a mass casualty event with yourself as one of the victims.

The kind of reckless, spoiling for a fight behavior Rittenhouse exhibited will make self-defense a hard sell. I don't think they'll be able to prove first degree intentional though. Not unless they can find some social media post or private journal entry that says he intended to go out and kill a few lefty protestors, or some such thing. They'd have to establish premeditation. Manslaughter seems more likely, or at least criminally negligent homicide.

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you should really look into a situation before making so many misinformed posts,
the video you are referencing is not the 1st video of Rittenhouse initially being chased & attacked,
inform yourself please

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Is the information on Wikipedia incorrect?

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lol...I'm glad I found this post where you specifically mentioned the "stand your ground laws".
Cited references at the bottom:

There are a couple of factors under justifiable homicide that will work against Kyle.

The scope of self-defense varies; some jurisdictions have a “duty to retreat rule” that disallows this defense if it was safe to flee from potential violence. In some jurisdictions, the castle doctrine allows the use of deadly force in self-defense against an intruder in one's home. Other jurisdictions have “stand-your-ground” laws that allow use of deadly force in self-defense in a vehicle or in public, “without a duty-to-retreat”.

1.) There are 15 states (Wisconsin is one of them) that impose a “duty-to-retreat” when one can do so with absolute safety unless it is their place of work, their vehicle, or their home. Kyle was in a wide open public place with a fully loaded AR and could have “continued” to run away in any direction with or without his AR. The aggressors were trying to disarm him, not trying to kill him; otherwise, he most likely would have been dead or gravely injured like his third victim.

Kyle was already running away and after he heard a warning shot fired into the air, he then turned back around, aimed, and fired four body shots at his 1st victim. The moment he stopped running and turned back around and started firing kill shots is when his self-defense plea became flawed.

2.) Prior to the protest, without a permit due to his age, he had “illegally obtained” a firearm that was used to murder two and gravely injure a third.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justifiable_homicide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest_shooting#Kyle_Rittenhouse

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Don’t worry, you’re just pissing them off, that’s when they show their real “tolerance”. They can get pretty evil when you go against them. Haha.

What you said is completely logical and makes total sense to someone with a level head. He should not have been there in the first place, and definitely should not have been walking the streets armed, but if you’re being attacked by a mob of “peaceful protestors”, then yes, you have to defend yourself. He pulled the trigger when he was being attacked, he wasn’t randomly shooting into a crowd of people.

These people attacking you on here don’t say anything about celebrities and politicians bailing rioters out of jail when they were trying to beat people with to death with skateboards, 2x4s, and burning down buildings all over the country.

It’s just good old fashioned political hypocrisy, and it will never go away.

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Yeah, I think there were over 40 thousands killings with skateboards the past year. Stop bailing out those mass skateboard killers you bad bad celebrities! And come on Silver Spoons dude and Pillow Guy, step up to the plate to help out your compadres Nicholas Cruz and Patrick Crusius. Why stop at Vile Rittenlouse?

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Great, so you support the rioters and the pedo celebs that bail them out

Well done, so woke.

Don't try woke, not even once.
Because after the days go by, it just creeps up on you, and then before you realise it

I have no idea why you are defending a domestic violence perpetrator and meth head, but here you are doing just that.

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I have no idea why you are defending a domestic violence perpetrator

Here is your violent perpetrator that you admire as he is beating the shit out that girl.
Too bad she didn't have a gun to defend herself against that bully who enjoys beating women and killing unarmed civilians with his rifle.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/video-shows-kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-punching-a-girl-report/

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He was on site, because his boss asked him to come to work and protect the business
Because there were violent mobs, rioting.

He was ONLY THERE because of the RIOTS

Then they turned on him, and he fucked them up

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I remember seeing a Utube video showing Ritt helping out injured "peaceful protesters" and stopping "peaceful protesters" from ramming a set on fire garbage bin into a gas station, I think it was a gas station... That's when they turned on him, when he stopped that big garbage bin from burning up a place of business.

I also remember reading of one of the guys that was hit with a bullet, saying he should have taken Ritt out earlier.

Kind of fuzzy, because it was months ago, however I think what I posted is correct.

Enjoy your night.


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he fucked them up

When he goes to prison, that is exactly what they will do to his "ASS".

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Projecting?

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It is cool. You are wrong.

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Sick, he murdered people

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People attacked him.

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I wonder how many NYPD Blue residual checks it took it to come up with that bail money.

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They attacked him because he "provoked them" so he can kill them and call it self-defense which is very common for someone holding an AR rifle when your opponent does not. Cowards like him have to use a gun/rifle against unarmed civilians because they are too afraid to fight/defend with their own hands unless it is a girl that he can beat the shit out of...

Exhibit A:
https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/video-shows-kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-punching-a-girl-report/





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How did he provoke them?

They chased him, shots were fired behind him, and only then did Rittenhouse shoot the first one:
https://youtu.be/ss-G-FX3Nys?t=14335

Later on several others chased after him, punched him, kicked him, hit him with a skateboard, and only then did Rittenhouse shoot. Eventually the guy with a gun was shot in the arm by Rittenhouse.
https://youtu.be/eLlUVxVLiLU?t=17

Your exhibit got nothing to do with the shooting.

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The exhibit has "everything" to do with a coward like that who is proud enough of his AR and wanted to prove to himself and others how tough he is by using deadly violent force towards them.

That is one of the videos that will be mentioned at his trial to show that he "already" had a violent history, especially towards little girls that he enjoys beating the shit out of; and if they are men, well then he will not use his fists, but instead, use his precious AR to take them down permanently.

Yes, the least he deserved was to be chased down by others for bringing a rifle to a protest that became even more violent due to his showing off his rifle while inciting, antagonizing, and provoking others with it.

He never had the rifle attached to his back like many civilians do when out in dangerous places, instead, he held the rifle in front of him with both hands in handle and trigger, ready and eager to shoot at people.

Your videos demonstrates his cowardice need to shoot others and than run like a little b1tch.
Consider this for a moment: what if your girlfriend or wife, or sister, or mother was incidentally shot by one of his bullets? Based on the videos, he missed several shots which could have easily killed more people than he already did.

Also, Kyle was under the legal age for firearm ownership and yet, he was illegally carrying a firearm. That is the second reason that he had no business bringing such a powerful AR to the protest.

He has been charged with multiple counts of homicide and unlawful possession of a firearm.
As I have already mentioned, he will have plenty of chances in prison to defend himself when he is been shafted in the ass.

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You refute nothing, and it's legal to own/carry etc guns in the USA, i.e. it's no reason to chase and attack people!

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According Wisconsin laws, Kyle was under the legal age for firearm ownership and was carrying an assault rifle that his friend Dominick Black supplied him illegally.

Dominick Black was arrested and charged with unlawfully supplying Rittenhouse's rifle.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest_shooting

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020/11/19/Man-accused-of-buying-guns-in-Kenosha-Wis-shooting-to-stand-trial/3271605810316/

https://www.vox.com/2020/8/27/21404117/kenosha-kyle-rittenhouse-police-gun-populism

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Did the people who chased and attacked him know his age/how he acquired the rifle etc, were they law enforcement officers?

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To the protesters, he was some other kid waving a gun with hand in trigger that was ready to start killing.
You don't go to a public outing waving a rifle/gun around and not expect some civilians or bystanders to be afraid and/or threatened enough to fight back or try to disarm you so you can start killing people while using self-defense as a justification means.

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It's legal to own/carry etc guns in the USA, i.e. it's no reason to chase and attack people!

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Yes, it is legal if you are "of age"; Kyle was not, which is why he obtained one illegally.

it's no reason to chase and attack people!

Try telling that to all the victims and their families of all the mass shootings everywhere in which the civilians were not armed and were too afraid to stop/restrain a bully with a powerful AR.

If the person with the concealed gun was just like Kyle, then he would not have hesitated and would have put a bullet in Kyle's head instead of threatening him to release his weapon; an unlawfully obtained weapon at that.

You can't say the same for Kyle as he had no constraint, reservations, or hesitations of actually pulling the trigger and "killing" others; after all, why should he comply when he had the advantage of a weapon more destructive and powerful than anyone else at the protest.

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Is it legal to own/carry etc guns in the USA? Did the people who chased and attacked him know his age/how he acquired the rifle etc, were they law enforcement officers? Were they upholding the law?

It's legal to own/carry etc guns in the USA, i.e. it's no reason to chase and attack people! It's not legal to chase and attack people who own and carry guns. How did Rittenhouse bully anyone?

This guy, with a gun in his hand?
https://www.waynedupree.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2020.08.26-07.42-waynedupree-5f46bb1f9175d.jpg
https://greatgameindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Kyle-Rittenhouse-attacked-with-pistol.jpg
https://conservativefighters.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Untitled-11-1.jpg
https://cdn.summit.news/2020/08/280820rioter.jpg
If this guy was like Rittenhouse(i.e. being chased/attacked), how did Rittenhouse chase and attack him(while sitting on the ground being attacked by a guy with a skateboard, to boot)? This guy hesitated by running towards and pointing his gun at Rittenhouse? This guy threatened Rittenhouse by running towards and pointing his gun at Rittenhouse? How did he convey to Rittenhouse to release his weapon?

Did the guy with the gun in hand who ran towards Rittenhouse, know Rittenhouse's age/how he acquired the rifle etc, was he a law enforcement officer? Was he upholding the law? Unlike the guy with the gun who was shot in the arm by Rittenhouse, Rittenhouse was in fact chased and attacked. Was the guy with the gun, who was running towards Rittenhouse(who sat on the ground being attacked by a guy with a skateboard) gun in hand, chased and attacked by anyone?
https://youtu.be/410Uul4rM7Q?t=14

Comply to what, Rittenhouse was chased and attacked, i.e. it was/is self-defense.

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I see that you are completely missing the point.

To those protesters, it does not matter or make any difference of Kyle's age, where and how he obtained the gun, etc. He was a perceived threat who was intimidating and agitating others by waving his AR at them in a fire-ready position and discharging it to show his superiority.

The only ones that matter on those questions are the law and the judicial system; case-in-point, arrested and charged for it.
For Kyle, it was illegal to carry a gun, the Wisconsin law affirms to that, period.

Kyle was chased and attacked because he had already provoked them, antagonized them, and bullied them with his AR, a common behavior for cowards and bullies that like to prove something when they are sure of themselves due to having the advantage of a powerful and superior weapon like that AR. Similarly to how he viciously and violently abused that little girl, twice.

If the guy holding a gun to Kyle was just like Kyle, then Kyle would have been the one with a bullet in his head and this would have been a different conversation. The opponent pointed the gun and asked him to "drop/release" his weapon, "he could have put a bullet in Kyle's head instead" and then claimed self-defense since Kyle already had an AR that was seen by several witnesses that was "pointed/discharged" at others, never the less, Kyle had no issues with murdering and killing them without "any" hesitation.

The only ones that usually get away with murdering and killing are police officials and even in our current age, that is now been scrutinized and penalized to a certain degree, however, at least the police officials have some authority in the matter.

Kyle was not a police officer, nor a government approved official, nor did he have a gun permit; and on top of that, he had already committed a crime by illegally obtaining a firearm. None of those paint a good picture for Kyle, and regardless of the trial outcome, he will have to own and carry this for the rest of his life.

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To those protesters, it does not matter or make any difference of Kyle's age, where and how he obtained the gun, etc.
So why do you bring up the age of Rittenhouse and how Rittenhouse acquired the gun, when the AntiFa guys did not know anything about that?

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WTF? are you serious? or are you just been a contrarian for the hell of it?

I mentioned it to drive the point across how the self-appointed murderous "vigilante" had already committed a fuck1ng crime by illegally obtaining a firearm since he was under the legal age of owning a gun according to the Wisconsin laws.

It was not a direct relation between the protesters knowledge or awareness of kyle's age and how he illegally obtained the weapon, so regardless of his fuck1ng age or how he obtained the gun made no difference to the protesters, he was an immediate threat that was waving around an AR; period. WTF?

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The AntiFa guys did not know anything about his age/how he acquired the rifle etc, so why bring up his age/how he acquired the rifle etc?

The AntiFa guys are not law enforcement officers.

It is legal to own and carry guns in the USA! It is illegal to chase and attack people who own and carry guns in the USA! If someone owns and carries a gun, it does not justify chasing and attacking them.

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So you are definitely been a contrarian for the hell of it.

Once again, it was not fuck1ng legal for your hero the vigilante to carry one regardless of what the protesters knew or not and it didn't fuck1ng mattered to them. It matters to the "LAW".

He was just another columbine bully waving around a fuck1ng AR that was an immediate threat to others, so yes, why should they not chase him and attempt to disarm him; if any of them were murderous and sociopaths like him, they would have ended him, period.

It is not fuck1ng legal for an underage person in that fuck1ng state to carry one, or do you not understand what "LAW" means? I have never seen a gun owner (legal/illegal) in a public place waving his/her gun/rifle around like some self-appointed vigilante unless he/she wanted to provoke and incur the wrath of other civilians or a quick death at the hands of a law-official.

Your logic goes to shit when you take into consideration all the mass shooters in USA history that were not chased and disarmed by civilians because people like you consider it "illegal" to attempt at chasing and disarming them by "any" means necessary.

Your logic:...no we can't chase him and try to disarm him because we are not law enforcement, just let him do his murdering and killing...and then let the officers do their authorized job when they arrive...now why in the fuck1ng hell did your hero not consider that before going to a public place with an illegally obtained AR and without a lawful permit for it? I will tell you why, it's simple, he appointed himself judge, jury, and executing vigilante "before" he went to the protest.

It would be no surprise if people like you would justify and excuse serial killers like (Son of Sam, Zodiac, and Aileen Wournos) that used a gun on their victims as self-defense.

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Why do you bring up the age of Rittenhouse and how Rittenhouse acquired the gun, when the AntiFa guys did not know anything about that?

Why do you bring up the age of Rittenhouse and how Rittenhouse acquired the gun, when the AntiFa guys are/were not the "LAW"?

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Since you are just going to "repeat/copy-paste", then I shall do the same with the following:

You have made it obvious and clear that you support and admire serial killers, mass murderers, and child abusing vigilantes.

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Why do you bring up the age of Rittenhouse and how Rittenhouse acquired the gun, when the AntiFa guys did not know anything about that?

Why do you bring up the age of Rittenhouse and how Rittenhouse acquired the gun, when the AntiFa guys are/were not the "LAW"?

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Because you support serial killers, mass murderers, and child abusing vigilantes.

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For now I'm asking:

Why do you bring up the age of Rittenhouse and how Rittenhouse acquired the gun, when the AntiFa guys did not know anything about that?

Why do you bring up the age of Rittenhouse and how Rittenhouse acquired the gun, when the AntiFa guys are/were not the "LAW"?

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Because you support serial killers, mass murderers, and child abusing vigilantes.

https://moviechat.org/nm0005401/Ricky-Schroder/5fb86da5138bd7331338e7b7/Supports-murderer-Kyle-Rittenhouse?reply=5fdc38bf1f0b61307a603433

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For now I'm asking:

Why do you bring up the age of Rittenhouse and how Rittenhouse acquired the gun, when the AntiFa guys did not know anything about that?

Why do you bring up the age of Rittenhouse and how Rittenhouse acquired the gun, when the AntiFa guys are/were not the "LAW"?

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https://moviechat.org/nm0005401/Ricky-Schroder/5fb86da5138bd7331338e7b7/Supports-murderer-Kyle-Rittenhouse?reply=5fdc38bf1f0b61307a603433

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In hindsight the attackers didn't kill him and you would like to believe he should've realized they were only trying to disarm him(while Rittenhouse was running towards police officers) by hitting him in the head, hitting him with a skateboard (presumably and what made Rittenhouse fall to the ground), kicking him in the head while Rittenhouse was sitting on the ground, hitting him the head with a skateboard while Rittenhouse was sitting on the ground, running up close to him with a gun in hand pointed in his direction while Rittenhouse was sitting on the ground?
https://youtu.be/410Uul4rM7Q

What if the shots fired were directed at Rittenhouse, what if he was too tired to continue running? What justification did the chaser have for continuing chasing/running up close to Rittenhouse, when Rittenhouse was running away from him? Firing at a guy a few feet away, who was running towards him, after Rittenhouse had heard shots fired?
https://youtu.be/Dn5D9xI03J8
https://youtu.be/ss-G-FX3Nys?t=14335

Why do you bring up the age of Rittenhouse and how Rittenhouse acquired the gun, when the AntiFa guys did not know anything about that?

Why do you bring up the age of Rittenhouse and how Rittenhouse acquired the gun, when the AntiFa guys are/were not the "LAW"?

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All accounts I can find online say the protesters were the aggressors.

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What do you expect when a murderous, child abusing, criminal vigilante starts waving an AR at other civilians?, to lay down at his feet? and yet, it was the protesters that were murdered instead. There is a difference in taking non-lethal aggressive steps at self-defense and another to callously take human live(s).

You and your sock puppet JD have made it obvious that you support and admire serial killers, mass murderers, and child beating vigilantes.

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Not at all, but I believe in laws. If he never pointed his weapon at anyone before being chased and “disarmed,” then you may be surprised at the final ruling.

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And yet, he murdered two and almost a third, while Kyle had no bullet wounds or stab wounds. He will have to live with that and carry it for the rest of his life.

Justice may be biased and often fails in been fair and objective, however, karma never fails.

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Defending yourself is not okay but, rioting, looting and fire bombing police is okay? The left was demanding that President Trump condemn white supremacy, when is the left going to condemn BLM and ANTIFA???? Good for you Ricky!

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That seems to be the leftist position these days, they want to let violent criminals out of jail and then take away the right of law abiding citizens to defend themselves against these criminals, oh yeah and they want to take away police protection.

Edit: even after President Trump condemned white supremacy for like the 20th time the left still lied and said he never did

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Oh yeah. The reason the left doesn’t condemn BLM and ANTIFA is because they’d lose a lot of votes. They don’t want to be thought of as “racists”. Liberals can’t think for themselves.

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I’d actually argue BLM and Antifa are a greater threat to us than white supremacy

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undoubtedly

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Maybe he is - maybe he isn't. I wasn't there so I will let the courts decide.

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So evil. Him and the pillow guy. I was just reading his bio. His grandparents were German and came here in the '40s---Nazis?

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you defend a domestic violence perpetrator and a meth head

shut the fuck up you useless cunt

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Who would have thought the Silver Spoons brat was a piece of shit?

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Just because someone is smarter and more rational than you doesn't make him a piece of shit.

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Agreed. It's got nothing to do with it. And in this case, I would really doubt it applies anyway.

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And yet here you are defending a domestic violence perpetrator and a meth head that tried to kill a 17 year old kid, during a riot, they instigated.

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Condemning a premeditated mass murder does not imply saying anything about the victims. Other than that they were killed in a horrifying way which can not be legal anywhere in the world if there is any justice whatsoever.

Now go troll someone else please, I am tired of you.

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