The job of the employer is to pay the employee. Not the customer.
What's sad about tipping is that not only does the employer get the customer to pay their staff, they then get the staff to pay other staff members by dividing the tips.
What an unethical system.
I can't believe it's legal.
Tipping goes right back to the days when there was no welfare. It was a way for the rich to support the poor by giving them small payments for services rendered. In the modern context it is a bad idea though and should be scrapped.
Tipping goes right back to the days when there was no welfare. It was a way for the rich to support the poor by giving them small payments for services rendered.
Well unemployment is a choice. There is plenty of work to be done it's just that the system would have to change to bring about full employment. At the moment the choice is not to employ people to do things that aren't "economically viable" like having a comprehensive labour intensive recycling industry. Also the powers that be like to have unemployment as a weapon to hold over people's heads.
This is actually how welfare should be done, but the interesting part is that the people who support welfare are also those who are most likely to cut out the poor worker because it's cheaper to buy on Amazon than support local business or hell, even people who actually live locally and work in a Walmart.
We see more and more self-checkouts these days, if those welfare supporters actually cared about people they'd make self checkout illegal and force stores to hire cashiers.
Instead, welfare supporters want to pay outrageous taxes that give a bunch of government employees outrageous benefits and salaries to distribute the little money that actually is left after every senator's pocket is lined back to the poor people who don't have any jobs because the welfare supporters took all their jobs away.
I stopped going to dine-in restaurants because of this practice. I think mandatory tipping should be banned. People are supposed to tip as a show of gratitude towards an establishment or server, as well as a form of incentivization for good service. It's not supposed to be an additional "tax" that you force on customers because you refuse to pay an employee well. For example, a donut shop opened up in my neighborhood, and I try to tip a dollar once in awhile, because it's a mom and pop that bakes and sells freshly made donuts from scratch, not a crappy Dunkin Donuts that sells processed, greasy crap. I tip to say, in so many words, "Thank you for selling freshly baked goods! Please stick around."
Another reason why tipping should be banned is that it's now being used as a weapon of hatred against poor people and minorities. In the past, tipping was a thing in establishments that catered to customers who were middle class and up. Then greedy corporations realized that they could use tipping to have their cake and eat it, too--i.e., completely underpay their employees so that they could offer "cheap eats" to poor customers, but then decide that those same customers should be tipping the employees 20% "cuz tradition."
So, what do you think happened? Poor people and minorities in the inner city started enjoying these "cheap eats" didn't tip, because the whole selling point behind these fast food chains is that they were cheap. And besides, they never came from that demographic that tipped, anyway. But somehow, their refusal to tip turned into this totally racist and classist thing that proved how disgusting, stupid and uncivilized all blacks and poor people are. Servers and drivers alike started ranting and raving about how they hated serving blacks and other types because they're the "worst tippers." Meanwhile, blacks and poor people are behaving like 99% of the rest of the world. No other country in the world accepts tipping and even BANS the practice.
“No other country in the world accepts tipping and even BANS the practice.”
Having visited 50 countries in my travels, Australia is the ONLY country that I’ve come across where tipping is not part of the culture.
Impressive!
You are a globetrotter buddy
You should compare notes with MovieManCin2, he's another dude that travels all over the place
Hopefully, we'll be resuming our overseas travels when things open up again. My daughter is just reaching the age when Theme Parks are worth visiting - Florida beckons!
shareI'm visiting Florida in July, first 10 rounds on me if you can make it😉
shareWe have a traffic light system over here regarding countries we can and can't visit - USA is amber (lots of tests required).
We normally have April, August and December off to go on our long haul travels, so sadly it looks like I'll not be making it for July.
Don't worry, we will have that beer one day!
Yes he is!
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It is not a part of the culture here in Sweden, so I guess that you haven't visited my country.
Tipping is not the norm here in Chile either. There is a suggested 10% tip that is added to restaurant bills but most people don´t pay it. That said, tips are accepted but you won´t be "tip-shamed" if it doesn´t happen.
shareIt's not part of the culture in the UK, Denmark, Estonia, New Zealand, France, Russia, Slovenia, Belgium, Austria, Iceland, Poland, Italy, Spain, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, Singapore, South Korea, China, Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam.
shareI live in the UK and lived in Thailand, so you're wrong on at least two counts.
Several other countries on your list are happy to accept tips.
I was in Copenhagen a few years ago and took a cab from my hotel to the cruise port. I thought I gave a adequate tip to the driver, but he seemed really upset with what I gave him. The greeter at the ship was talking to him and told me not to worry about it - the guy was being a jerk. I've found as I travel, that tipping is becoming more common and only in a few countries are people insulted if tipped.
When I was in Russia back in 2004, I can assure you the private guide I used was very much used to being tipped generously at the end of the tour, (as are all of the tour guides and drivers I have used when traveling all over the world.)
Unless I visit a country where I know for sure that tipping is considered a insult, I always leave a tip.
See! I told you I wasn't mad - a little crazy perhaps...
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Is tipping required in the UK though?
Like do servers make less than a minimum wage because tips are supposed to cover the rest, or is it just a nice gesture?
We are required to pay tax on tips in the UK. The hospitality industry is very lowly paid. Most people here tip (although not mandatory) - I always do, unless the service was especially crap.
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Having visited 33 countries on five continents, I can concur. The only country where it seemed to be frowned upon was Communist China. Those Commie Bastards can't tolerate the peasants having thoughts of money or freedom!
On several occasions I confused the wait staff by leaving a tip. One poor woman followed me as I was leaving the restaurant thinking I had forgotten my money on the table. I finally managed to convince her that I was giving it to
her, but I think she was still confused.
In most countries a 5 to 10% tip is greatly appreciated.
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Here’s a tip for you (pun intended). When you get round to visiting Australia, there’s no tipping there (I imagine NZ is the same).
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Thanks for the tip! I think I had already heard about that.
Any other "tips" you can regale me with? The tour I'm on will visit Melbourne, Hobart, Adelaide, Kangaroo Island, Uluru, Alice Springs, a ride on the Ghan Train to Darwin, Cairns, The Great Barrier Reef, and Sydney in Australia.
We'll then visit Christchurch, Mount Cook, Queenstown, Rotorua, Waitmo and Auckland in New Zealand.
We'll spend about four weeks in Australia and one week in New Zealand.
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Sounds brilliant! We did the East Coast whilst we were there. The people are great and as countries go, it was one of the most pleasant surprises I’d experienced. I did some posts that you might find interesting: -
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/5d53edcb6cf6682000a3f39d/Australia-here-I-come
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/5d57f559edbbbb7bf45a6ea5/Australia-tour-update-tonight-I-ate-crocodile
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/5d5a5d1c4886505ef852bcb1/Australia-tour-update-today-I-ate-a-Kangaroo-burger
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/5d647dd6fc7cc97274755e87/Australia-tour-update-today-I-ate-a-Vegemite-sandwich
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/5d6811ab263bf75ff7984656/Australia-tour-update-going-home-completing-a-lap-of-the-earth-for-the-first-time
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/5d7152c9c4484a43be4d7dc5/Australia-tour-summary-Awesome
Good onya mate, and thanks! Looking forward to my trip even more now. Gotta try kangaroo, crocodile
and Vegemite!
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A pleasure, don’t forget there’s plenty of fellow MCers that live Down Under that are happy to offer advice.
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There are?
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There you go: -
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/5d2c357b6939ea56b5b4f9b5/Calling-all-Australians-or-anyone-that-knows-The-Gold-Coast-well
I always make similar posts when I go away. Whilst I always do plenty of research, you can’t beat a bit of local knowledge.
Thanks, but what did he mean by England's "World Cup Win"?
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The Cricket 2019 - it went right down the the wire (I normally find it a bit boring).
shareOh, Cricket. We were talking about soccer (aka football
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Unfortunately, England haven’t won the Football World Cup since 1966☹️
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That's a long time. Maybe this will cheer you up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9myHhpS9s&ab_channel=alpergagaalpergaga
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If you have traveled that much, you know that 15-20% is not remotely normal worldwide. A dollar or 2 with a meal is normal in most of the countries outside of the US.
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I never said it was.
I didn't imply that you did, but you definitely used non US countries as a reference to tipping compared to the US, and that fact seemed an important and glaring omission.
shareThe poster I replied to stated, “No other country in the world accepts tipping and even BANS the practice.”
I refuted this, however, I never specified the percentage.
Yes, and as I said, it seemed an important and glaring omission. Sometimes the lack of information can be just as misleading as outright dishonesty. I'm not suggesting it was intentional on your part, but seemed highly relevant to this particular discussion, so I chose to elaborate on your statement.
shareI would say 10% is the average.
shareI'll bet that's generous from locals, but normal from US visitors. When I was in Africa, I was discouraged from over tipping by a local, because it upsets their economy. His English was very broken, and he tried explaining why, but making it out was difficult. Something about they won't work for a while after big tips, but I can't say that's exactly what he was driving at. In Mexico, it seems tipping is really only done in the touristy areas for the most part. Canadians seem to tip a lot like us, but yeah, closer to 10% vs 20%.
shareI lived in Thailand for a while and my wife is Indonesian, so I completely get what the guy meant. Tipping is fine, but don’t go overboard as it screws it up for the locals - I totally get this.
shareIt is a crummy system, the servers deserve proper pay for what they do
Maybe restaurants are such a tough business to operate that low wages and tipping are relied upon to keep the lights on...?
In any event ALWAYS tip your waitress 20%
It's the right thing to do
Why is it right? Because she goes hungry if you don't? Sounds pretty horrible and stressful for her. I hope some bosses pay their staff when people stiff them.
shareIt's not a great system, I agree
But as it is we should just tip heavily, the servers deserve it
If they do a crappy job, they don't deserve it. People absolutely should not tip well arbitrarily, they need to earn it.
shareI've very rarely experienced poor service and that was owing to the place being packed and the server being overwhelmed
Tip well, don't be a cheapskate
Not tipping shitty service isn't being a cheapskate. Tipping bad service only encourages the entitled mindset without providing the service. Also, if you've only encountered poor service rarely, you are showing your age, because it's increasingly common because people over tip.
shareOr maybe you are just a crybaby lol
'My cheeseburger deluxe took 5 minutes longer to prepare than I would have liked, Boohoo'
Don't be stingy, tip the waitstaff
I'm guessing you are a waiter who needs to beg for tips because you don't provide service deserving them. Maybe waiters should look for careers instead of begging. Sorry, but anyone stuck being a waiter beyond their early 20s has fucked up their life, and its not up to me to fix it. I'm going to stiff my next server on your behalf, your welcome.
shareYes, you got me, I'm the best damned waiter in this here county
Nice job judging people who work hard🙄
I hope your next server spits in your food but the majority of servers are decent hard working people you angry miser
I worked in restaurants in my youth for several years and even managed a couple, and what you just said is simply untrue. Most servers are severs because they aren't exactly the salt of the earth and are forced to take a less than desired job. Most of them live a party lifestyle, and enjoy drinking and drugs, which is why many of them like the business because the hours are accommodating. Nothing wrong with that, but it isn't a long term career. When you get a little older and more mature, you'll start to understand the truth of things a little better.
shareSays the grumpy crackpot on the internet lol
Vent some more, nonsense you judgy jerk, I'm here all day🤪
Correction: Grumpy crackpot with a good job that doesn't rely on begging customers for extra wages to make a decent living. Lol, you can reply with snarky bullshit all you want, but I guarantee I'll still be living a better lifestyle than you because I've chosen to make something more of my life. But go ahead, keep begging for cash, I'm sure it's everything you dreamed about doing when you were a little kid. Now, I'm about to take my boat out for a spin, so sorry if I can't reply for a bit. I'm sure you understand.
shareQuite a rant, you'd do well to not make assumptions silly fellow
Waiter...WTF?!
I would drop every plate and coffee mug dummy!
Those that have great lives do not need to boast about it on the internet. I have suspicions about insecurities when people do that.
shareAnd why tipping the waitress and not everybody else?
Why not the cook? Why not the cleaners? Why not the people who bring the food? Why not garbage collectors that take the garbage? Why not driver that brought the products in a truck? Why not the farmer that grows them? Why not the workers that produce the power supply that turns on the lights while you eat? Why just the waitress?
Why not the people that eat the food? No, wait, I didn't think that one through.
shareThat's just how it is, none of us started it
Maybe the other workers you mentioned get better wages for their efforts
When I worked as a busboy in high school the waitresses had to share a percentage of their tips with us.
shareI'm a pretty decent tipper, usually 20% sometimes more, but I am not going to tip if my service is crappy. I'm just not.
I understand that restaurants are a really tough business, but if a business can't afford to pay their staff, then maybe they shouldn't be in business.
Portion sizes in the US are crazy, as well. I think that the whole system needs an overhaul.
20% is a good tip and kind to a hard working server
I've only had a bad waitress a couple of times, most are very good
I think my issue is that there are a lot of industries with hard working people who also give good service, and they don't get tips. Their industry is expected to pay them a decent wage. I've heard in the US some wait staff only get $2/hr. How is that even legal?
Also if for just basic service I'm expected to tip 20% how much do I have to tip for good service, and if I can't afford a larger tip, I'm told I shouldn't go out. Now when I say "I'm told" I mean comments I've read on the topic. I think it's just a scam from restaurant owners.
Where I live, minimum wage for servers is less than minimum wage for everyone else. Someone compiled a list of restaurants who pay their staff the regular minimum wage or higher. I will choose to take my business to those places.
What state are you in? I like this idea of listing which business owners screw over their staff.
shareI'm not in the US. I'm in Canada, and it was something done a group in my city. We also don't have a lot of chains here either, as we tend to like local and independent.
shareI actually think the tipping culture makes a lot of sense. Lets say the wage for waiting tables is $15/hr. That would be pretty good, but in most instances, a waiter will make more than that through tips alone.
shareI never waited tables, that seemed way too stressful to me
It could be good work but I'd bet most waitstaff workers have served terrible cheapskates
As others have posted, it's a tough gig so tip heavily
Yeah, I was never cut out for putting on a fake personality and taking peoples orders, although I did work as a bus boy when I was younger. I saw some of the waiters make seriously money, especially during the tourist season. I agree though, its a tough job, so always tip accordingly. 20% from me unless the waiter is incompetent, which is rare.
shareI also worked as a busboy as a teenager. It was a good stepping-stone job in the development of a strong work ethic. Pouring concrete during a heat wave was also a tough job but I never got any tips.
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It's a VERY tough gig!
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MY WIFE WAS A WAITREE FOR MANY YEARS...AND SHE IS A FUCKING MONSTER...SO TIP HEAVILY...IF...YOUR WAITRESS ISN'T A FUCKING MONSTER.🙂
shareIf the wage was $15 that would be great. It's just that in a lot of places the restaurant industry doesn't have to pay minimum wage. The tip supplements the income so they end up making just $15/hr. There are places where that isn't the case and it's great money. I found this about wages in the US
The Fair Labor Standards Act mandates that employees who earn $30 or more per month in tips be paid at least $2.13 per hour in wages
I think that if wait staff made at least the minimum wage, tipping rates could drop to about 10%.
I agree. I even tip the waiters 20%.
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So how much should servers make? Some make hundreds of dollars a day in tips. Banning tips would make their wages have to either skyrocket (which would result is massively higher food prices) or they'd have to find a new profession. There's no easy answer. In an industry that has been tip driven for ages, the restructure would have tons of repercussions.
shareAside from a sub-subsistence minimum wage, and no education and health care unless you are rich ... that is true.
shareI don't want to judge it but coming from a country were tipping isn't common I have to say that it is very confusing. When I am in a country were tipping is common I often make mistakes on when to tip en when not to tip.
shareNah, I like holding the power.
If you’re having a bad day at work and act shitty with me when I just want to have a nice meal, fuck you, no tip. Go work in the back away from people.
I think I'd be the opposite. If somebody was short with me, I'd still give a decent tip to show how good the world can be. Why reaffirm there world view.
shareI’m not talking about making a mistake with the order or forgetting, being really busy, whatever. I’m not rewarding someone for being unnecessarily rude to me. I see enough rude people in customer service that don’t work for tips.
If I just see you having difficulties and things aren’t going good, I’m going to give a tip. If you’re just being shitty about it, I’ll pass.
Honestly, though, I haven’t really had anyone very bad. Frustrated, sure. But not taking it out on the customer.
Fair enough, I guess. But I assume when people work for tips and tipping is pretty much compulsory, the bare minimum is what you give when service is shit.
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