We all got an Amber Alert type buzz on our phones this afternoon. Dad and I were walking the dog at the time, and I took one look at the Covid-19 message on my phone and told dad our state government could go piss themselves.
After all the stupidity and hypocrisy they've shown, and the fact that these lockdowns haven't done jack shit to stop the virus, I say to hell with them. Good luck trying to enforce these lockdowns; we barely have enough cops in this state as it is. The ones in my town won't even talk to you unless you've been shot!
Nobody is saying that. That's just a fake rumor that self entitled people make up. They have to enforce it. It's their job and duty to fufull their obligations as cops.
The Chinese leaders are LAUGHING at us! The Vaunted greatest Democracy is ONLY as good as its most STUPID or GREEDY or SELF RIGHTEOUS citizens. It works in countries where people THINK! like Germany or New Zealand or Canada. Or where its people are governed by more than their own NARROW self interest. We COULD have paid businesses 80% of employees salaries and selectively shut down the most disease spreading businesses. It would have been cheaper than the 6 Trillion we have spent so far, less people would have died' our people would not be economically distressed and we would have more control of the spread. Now, we don't even want to wear effing masks. Something the peasant in Thailand and Senegal knows to do! Jeeze, how have we fallen!
It's VERY simple: YOU can reopen and re-start a business, ANY business. YOU can re-start a LIFE!
Places like New Mexico have hospitals overwhelmed and will ration heath care aka: choose who will die. That doesn't only include covid patients. A relative or friend who has a heart attack or a car accident, etc. will be included.
FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER AGREED WITH THAT PERSON...NO MATTER WHAT SIDE YOURE ON...YOU NED TO WEAR A MASK AND SOCIAL DISTANCE...ITS THE ONE THINGS WE CAN DO AS A UNIFIED COUNTRY TO WORK ON THIS SHIT...MAYBE ITS MORE A SYMBOL THAN A TOOL FOR SOME,BUT JUST THE SAME,EVERYONE NEEDS TO FOLLOW THAT ONE GUIDELINE,
"Stop turning a health issue into a political one."
Oh boy! You better tell Phony Fauci to stop turning a health issue into a political one!! Listen to the difference in that idiot from the first few months of 2020 compared to the months after that! He flip flopped on everything and then turned into a CNN media whore who the left adores. Funny how they ignore everything he gave credit to Trump for in the very important early days that saved millions of lives. 😅
If wearing a mask and social distancing works, which 99.9% of the people are following, why are people still getting Covid?
I'll tell you why. Because you can't escape a virus!
Well stated Norman. Mask wearing is a fake cure and is brainwashing people to death. It's like saying the pink ribbon will cure breast cancer. People have to stop and open their eyes. I just thank God I am not brainwashed like most people are; I only wear the mask because I am forced to....
I know someone who works in a nursing home. No one got Covid until maybe September. But the entire time, the nurses wore the best PPE and eventually more than a half dozen of the nurses got the virus. They're all fine though.
She told me so many times that masks do not work.
I always say if they did, they wouldn't want us to have them (like HCQ).
Anecdotal evidence can’t stand up to scientific evidence and when it comes to our lives and the lives of the ones we love, which should we be trusting?
It HAS been working, look at communities that have enforced the mask wearing and social distancing compared to the ones that have not taken this seriously and you have clear evidence of that. . .maybe you are just listening to news that agrees with you. That happens without our intention all the time, if I didn’t watch anything other than MSNBC I wouldn’t have a realistic view of what is going on either.
You had a doctor tell you that masks don’t work . . . Could you tell me more about this Dr.? Is he a medical doctor? Where from? It makes no sense at all to call it a ‘cure’ in any way. It is a preventative measure.
It’s true that not everyone reacts the same with this virus, some get it and show no symptoms at all and for some it’s a death sentence just like how any virus affects the mass population only this one is much more adept at attacking people who have vulnerable immune systems. The virus is a living, evolving organism not a one size fits all thing.
"4% of the world's population with 20% of the deaths."
To believe that statistic, do we need to believe the figures being reported by China, North Korea, Russia, etc.?
Still, it is ridiculous that USA is being outclassed by Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, all these places that make Manhattan look like Nebraska.
News flash! Africa is doing much better than Europe and the U.S. because they took it seriously. Wearing a mask makes a difference.
You don't have to believe stats. Overwhelmed hospitals and mass graves are obvious signs of covid out of control. My friend is convinced the hospital allowed her adult child to die. I'm convinced, too. Other people died in their homes because they were afraid to go to the hospital for heart attacks and strokes, etc.
Right, they need to be blaming Democrat Governors for all the bad shit the lockdowns cause, not Trump. Biden however, is in agreement with the Governors, so lockdown blood WILL be on Biden.
They can't, because the "bad shit" can't be demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt. The majority of the November spikes affected red states. The spikes we're seeing in California and New York just don't compare.
Pandemics and epidemics are a part of national security. That's Trump's domain!
But, he chose to ignore it and play golf while it gained momentum throughout the world. Worst, he encouraged Americans to do the opposite of what the medical community suggested in order to protect themselves which is the reason for so many dead Americans.
Your morality is in question when you believe drinking beer in a bar is more important than a human life.
Please you can cease referring to Trump voters with disparaging tags. Your guy won...or should I say your gal won along with the “Squad”. With that said Biden can declare, with Congress’ backing, Martial Law. And believe me they will back him or her to the hilt. BTW, Biden did say he would shut down the country if the scientists said to do so. He’s not even in office yet and the Democrat mayors and governors are doing the job for him. We are starting to see shades of Martial Law. Arresting owners of businesses who refuse to shut their doors, but letting BLM & Antifa do whatever they wish without compunction.
I for one did not mock Biden. I felt pity for him because he does have signs of dementia or worse. But, this was all planned to get Harris in the top seat. What you all did and said about Trump was unconscionable. As much as I detested Obama I never referred to him in the inhuman ways you did toward Trump. He’s not going to be around to be your punching bag so who’s your next target?
I hit the reply button before I finished my reply. My little Yorkie won’t leave my arms alone after applying lotion so I nudged her away.
Anyhow, but the scientists don’t know what they’re doing. It’s a guessing game and I can understand their dilemma. This is a weird disease. Take the case of the flu...one member in the family gets it...more than likely the rest of the family will come down with it. Not so with Covid-19. One person in the whole family will test positive, but the rest will only be quarantined and not have it.
The CDC was saying one thing, WHO was saying something else, then we had Fauchi who was all over the map. I guarantee you if Biden had been in office he would have been just as confused and saying the wrong things as Trump did. Hell, advisories were worse than hurricane advisories! You all are looking to Biden as a miracle worker. It ain’t gonna happen! So, he “listens to the scientists” as he said he would...and shuts the country down. He said it, you cannot deny it. I hope he doesn’t listen.
Criteria has changed since May when a person had to have at least 4 of the symptoms. Today you don’t have to have any symptoms to be Covid-19 positive. Nah! Biden wouldn’t have done any better. He thinks he would have, but that’s just wishful thinking. It’s a hit or a miss.
To show you how idiotic some on your side are, they completely dismissed Biden’s claim of: "If the president had done his job — had done his job from the beginning — all the people would still be alive. All the people. I'm not making this up. Just look at the data," Biden said.”
Really? All the people would still be alive? Yep! The miracle worker spoke and it shall be! I guess Gov. Cuomo didn’t get the message either.
You think the scientists don't know because Trump gives mixed messages. The scientists know, but Trump's rallygoers reject those scientists, and it's the rallygoers Trump cares about most.
Trump's rallies plus covid killed his presidency because he picked the wrong one to cater to.
No, the scientists don’t know. It’s a work in progress. I have enough common sense as do other Trump voters to not take a politician’s words as gospel. I didn’t watch or listen to Trump because in fact he’s a poor orator. I never attended a rally.
Again you deflected to rant against Trump and Trump voters. To repeat, the scientists are on again...off again when it pertains to Covid-19. Advisories seemed to change every other day. Leave Trump out of it and recall this from an article:
Mask-Wearing Guidance: A Timeline of Slow-to-Shift Messaging
For example, PolitiFact’s Jan. 31 “reader’s guide to misinformation about the coronavirus” offers that “the likelihood of people in the United States catching the virus is minimal, at least for now” and does not include mask wearing among World Health Organization recommendations.
The fact-checker’s Feb. 28 piece, “Separating fact from fiction on the coronavirus,” points out that “on the topic of masks, NPR reported that some infectious disease experts are hesitant to suggest that people wear masks as a preventive measure because they can provide a false sense of security. What they do agree on is that wearing a mask is a good idea if you are sick, so you can reduce the chances that you'll infect others.”
Its March 5 article, “Stop sharing myths about preventing the coronavirus. Here are 4 real ways to protect yourself,” concludes that “according to the WHO, only people who are infected with the coronavirus or caring for someone who is need to wear a mask.”
Similarly, FactCheck.org concluded on Jan. 30 that “[t]here is no need for people in the U.S. to wear face masks unless someone is infected with 2019-nCoV, or a health care worker is treating someone who is infected.”
Trump doesn't do anything important. He golfs, tweets, and rallies. All policy decisions are made by McConnell, and the only thing McConnell cares about regarding the pandemic is how much tax payer money can he funnel to his wealthy donors.
There is no major scientific response organization to deal with the pandemic. Oh sure, Trump will dismantle it when we don't need it, but when we do need it, we'll get the bare minimum. And when Trump's lackluster team fails to come up with the answers, his supporters will blame science itself for not knowing what to do.
It doesn't matter if Biden gaffes. He listens to the scientists. We're going to get a pandemic response team backed by scientific data that we don't have right now.
But, what you don’t seem to get...nothing is going to change. It will continue to be a guessing game. Biden and the “pandemic response team” will not be able to snap their fingers and poof! There goes the virus! What is Biden going to do? So he listens. Then what? It is what it is! You are looking upon him as a Savior. It ain’t gonna happen! The same plate of garbage will still be there. The point being, forgive my crassness, they won’t know whether to caca or get off the pot. The same data will be there. You’re dreaming if you believe the scientists will make 2 + 2 = 5.
It's not a guessing game. Covid cases went down in states and countries where people wore masks and social distanced. It goes up when people become lax.
Back in May I ran close to a 105 temp for 3 days. Rare for an adult. I isolated myself inside my bedroom and gave the rest of the family masks to wear. They were to don their masks, notify me before entering so I could put on mine. I instructed them to close the bedroom door so we, with the best of our abilities, could contain any spores making their way into the rest of the house.
As ill as I was I sanitized constantly everything I touched from light switches to the toilet which my husband used. He contacted the Covid-19 help line center and they informed him I had to have other symptoms besides a fever. I did research online. Yep! I had to have other symptoms, so no Covid! After the third day the temp was down to 99...the 5th day...no fever! Remember this was May of 2020.
By late October, early November everything went upside down! We only had to have a fever...nothing else! We also didn’t have to have any symptoms at all, but still have acquired Covid-19!
So don’t blame Trump because if Biden had been president nothing would have been different. Trump shut down the border to China in January and was called a racist. If Biden had done the same thing he would have been called a great leader. The hypocrisy of the left is astounding!
The scientists still don’t know the complexities of this virus.
"So don’t blame Trump because if Biden had been president nothing would have been different."
Bull! Biden, Clinton or any other president except Trump would've attended the daily national security meetings in which Trump had stopped going. Pandemics and epidemics are a part of national security, therefore they are addressed on a national level. Trump ignored his health and national secuirty advisors who told him to act in January 2020. He refused to follow the Pandemic guide book which was created by Bush and Obama to help in this situation. Trump didn't warn governors who could have warned citizens. Instead, millions of people traveled into the New York region from Europe where Covid was raging. Trump refused to act even though it's a national crisis and said only the states were responsible while he golfed. Millions of Americans continued to gather in crowds not knowing the danger because Trump refused to warn anyone. Trump also defunded health agencies meant to protect us. He didn't put infrastructure in place so there was a shortage of testing and masks, etc. He told people to "liberate" instead of follow guidance from doctors.
Stop trying to justify Trump's inept incompetence by saying others would've done the same. Nobody would've failed as miserably as Trump has. He's killed 285,000 Americans
Entering your room would have exposed your family especially if the windows were closed. Closing the door only makes it worst for them since you're stopping the flow of clean air circulation. Some states had sick family members go to a hotel. Covid is airborne so sanitizing objects isn't enough since you can breathe it in. Wearing a mask isn't enough either since it can go into the eyes if they're not covered with a shield.
Why weren't you tested for Covid?
Other major symptoms are difficulty breathing, cough and loss of smell and taste. Is your husband is low in vitamin D? Low D increases the risk for getting covid. Was he taking D to protect himself?
I'm not sure if you had covid or something else. Are you going to get tested for antibodies to see if you had it?
Indeed. rump isn't just some random target chosen by some imagined cabal of Democrats. He's a bozo, if one is being kind, and a genuine menace to the country if we are being honest, even putting Covid aside. Yes, it deserves to be said again, a genuine threat to the ideals this Nation stands for.
How anyone can follow his actions and think they are watching a leader is seriously lacking critical thinking skill. He's a clown and his administration is a circus and his followers are deplorable for being complicit in this joke that was played on the American people.
Donald Trump spoke against the lockdowns because he said he was bad for the economy; which he was right about that. He never wanted the lockdowns in the first place. Plus the lockdowns were a government decision. The government of each individual state made this decision not Trump.
the news media NEEDS to wear masks
When you lead by example, you create a picture of what's possible. People can look at you and say, "Well, if he can do it, I can do it." When you lead by example, you make it easy for others to follow you.
It's videos like this that make me angry >:( It's one reason this entire lockdown sounds like a farce, because apparently the virus can differentiate between the rich and powerful, and the rest of us. It also seems to be able to tell time and not infect people between 10 pm and 5 am.
I mean, this was discussed on another thread, how Gov. Brillcream got to go to the French Laundry in Napa, sit close to other high-level elites with no mask on, and happily dine like nothing was wrong. Even worse, two representatives of the California Medical Association were there, doing the same thing! Or he includes the film industry as "essential" among the services allowed to stay open. Uh-huh, sure. Like movies are gonna pay the bills of people who watch them and put food on their tables.
Let's not forget Nancy Piglosi going to get her hair done, without a mask, at a salon in SF, when most of the salons had been forced to shut down. And what kind of treatment does she get? Something you could easily do at home! What kind of a lazy, selfish, entitled asshole, requires a salon to break her own rules, just so she can have someone subservient to her rinse her hair and blow it out?
Or how about Lori Lightfoot? The brilliant mayor of Shitcongo, one of the deadliest cities in America to live in; deciding she can't go without her roots being done, despite telling everyone else in her city that getting their hair done is "non-essential."
Lori Lightfoot, the knee-high dictator said, “I’m the public face of this city. I’m on national media and I’m out in the public eye. I’m a person who, I take my personal hygiene very seriously. As I said, I felt like I needed to have a haircut.”
She still looks like Beetlejuice no matter what she does. How dare she tell anyone else that her taking her hygiene seriously is more important than anyone else's hygiene, which would also include getting regular dental cleanings! (Remember how the Dentists were closed for months?! Yet you could have an abortion) Many people are having problems now. Especially with this stupid mask wearing. People are developing more cavities from dry mouth wearing masks and are having skin issues from wearing these diapers on their faces!
I've never been there (too rich for my blood), but I've heard people who have (on radio shows) saying you have to make reservations months in advance AND you have to pay a HEFTY nonrefundable deposit (basically what THEY determine to be the bill for the size of your party.) I doubt anyone's going there 3 times a week.
I cannot begin to tell you how irate I was after watching your link! I also felt pain and fear of what is to come if this nonsense doesn’t cease! Tears welled in my eyes watching the owner describe, with breaking voice what is happening to her. When we look at her think of the thousands who are facing the same circumstances. This is occurring in our country?
If I didn’t know better I would believe this was happening in a communist country...er, on second thought...aren’t we close to losing our Republic and turning into a country akin to China? Closing businesses, closing places of worship, closing schools, confining people to their homes which leads to isolation and domestic abuse, then arresting people who don’t toe the government’s arbitrary rules!
But, abortion centers stay open because they are a necessity...akin to China...sigh
I most certainly did mean what I wrote and it frightens me. When we hear bits and pieces of what is occurring in our country it doesn’t seem to resonate as strongly. When we succinctly put all the happenings together it is surreal or Orwellian. Would you agree the following is descriptive of we are witnessing today?
”Orwellian is an adjective describing a situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society.”
NBC edited their report about this business owner. They edited out the large tent set ups. In other words they made her look like someone who doesn’t care about the virus.
This is how Joe Biden got elected. The media did their best to paint him as a holy Joe by never telling the truth about him. They put him on a pedestal going so far to say he won’t lie when actually there’s documented proof he lied frequently.
yup. and I think I read they are paying the audience in order to consider them employees to avoid certain restrictions. I am so over all of this nonsense.
You are correct. It’s the loop hole in Cuomo’s order which permits employees to work.
”The New York Times reports on Tuesday that members of the “Saturday Night Live” studio audience who attended the show’s taping last weekend were paid, effectively making them cast members. Though New York state guidelines prohibit the public from attending live television shows, the “Saturday Night Live” team’s loophole allowed the show to be filmed in accordance with the state’s reopening guidelines, which were enacted to slow the spread of the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.”
Wouldn’t you be saying the "virus isn't a big deal“ if you got it with only a fever for a symptom? Followed by being quarantined with family members who didn’t get it? I’ve seen whole family members in a house come down with the flu. One member gets it then it spreads through the whole house.
Control, baby! Yes sir! It’s all about control and bringing people to their knees. Once that’s accomplished promise the populace the moon and the government will have them by the gonads!
”If you like your doctor...you can keep your doctor.”
How long do you think this country can survive when you give carte blanche power to the alt left? And Biden did say he would see to shutting down the country if scientists were to advise him to do so. He can declare martial law. Fauci and the gang have done so well!🙄
These lockdowns improve nothing! They are idiotic, but they are the methods to the alt-left Democrat’s (AOCs & Omars of the world) madness of bringing us to our knees. This is how they will completely control us. After thousands of businesses are shut down forever, millions having lost their jobs, they will come riding in on their BLM’s & Antifa’s horses proclaiming to save the day!
Shades of the past are coming forth.
The grim atmosphere of the early 1930s greatly contributed to the rise of Hitler’s Nazi Party as it left the Germans desperate for a strong leader. They considered the German government to be weak... They suffered due to the harsh conditions of the Treaty of Versailles and the Great Depression left many with huge financial problems, which were only worsened by the chancellor’s decision to cut unemployment pay and wages. Thanks to a very successful propaganda campaign focused on the poor and the suffering, the Nazi Party rose from only 12 seats in Reichstag in 1928 to becoming the largest party in 1932 with 230 seats.
The passage of the Enabling Act required Hitler to gain support from a quorum from a super-majority of the entire Reichstag; this process was made easier by nearly all Communist and some Social Democrat deputies being arrested... But to win the rest of the votes, he needed to convince religious parliamentarians that Germany’s religious life would be kept secure and that its civil society would not vanish.
He gave the following assurances to entice them to vote for the Enabling Act:
1.the state governments would continue to function 2.church schools could continue to operate
3.the concordats already in force with the German states of Prussia, Bavaria, and Baden would be honored
4.judges would remain inviolable
5.the parliament would continue to exist
6.the president’s rights would continue unmolested.
When I visited my friend in November I was exposed to her grandson who had come down with Covid. I had hugged him. I didn’t get Covid, my friend didn’t get Covid, neither did his sister and parents who were quarantined with him for 14 days! These lockdowns are a bunch of hooey! The country is going to crash...ripe for a takeover!
And...? You deflected from the fact lockdowns are not necessary. You don’t cure a problem by creating other problems. Destroying people’s lives does not a cure make.
As to your nonsensical reply...you may get cancer if you continue to smoke. Apples to apples, my friend.
only in 2020 would we see this kind of virus spread because we let it; go on out there and spit and yell but remember you are supposed to be buying stuff not just acting like the fools
My form of defiance is subtle. I refuse to get a permanent mask like a lot of people have. I only wear a paper medical mask in public because they won't let me into the grocery stories (or any store, really) without one, and I don't want to get in trouble. I wear masks as little as possible otherwise. I refuse to wear one in the car if I'm alone or riding with a family member. I don't put one on until we get to our destination. The moment we get back to the car, once we're done with our business, I take it off. You won't catch me wearing one if I'm walking the dog either. Our neighborhood is very widely spaced out, so it's easy to social distance there, and so far, no cop has shown up to stop me. It's okay if strangers pet my dog. Animals are immune to this virus, and he's a nice dog that loves everyone :).
(Yes, I heard about the poor minks in the Netherlands, but Domino is not a mink).
Wtf? You are a weirdo. You don't have to wear a mask in the car by yourself or with someone you live with. What would be the point?
What is a permanent mask?
I am guessing a cloth mask, usually with prints on it. a 'designer' mask you can buy at a store to match your outfit. I am doing the same. I absolutely refuse to put a single penny on a mask and will only use one provided by my work, since they force me to wear one. and I have been using the same one since august. They tried to give us cloth masks but I refuse to put any work to it like wash it. I do everything i can to avoid wearing one. I do not put the thing on until the last possible minute at work (literally hands on the door handle) and have it off seconds before exiting. If I am in a room at work by myself, the mask is off.
you can't stop a virus. you are going to get it at some point. The masks are just preventing the inevitable. like any cold or flu, have some common sense and be as healthy as you can. but forced mandates are ridiculous and not helping. you can't escape a virus. sorry.
The point is to slow down the spread, not eliminate it. The point is to make it so our healthcare workforce and hospital capacity are not overwhelmed. Masks do that.
yes, during the original 2 weeks; it was not supposed to be slow the spread for 9, 12, 24 months. We were supposed to slow the spread so the hospitals got caught up. Those that didn't; shame on them. But you can't keep us locked up and forced to wear masks for the hospitals. They are not our rulers. They had 9 months to get the PPE they needed, to figure out processes and make room. it's time to let us go and let what will be... be.
Whatever. Do what you want. When lockdowns keep happening and mask enforcement keeps happening, just know you are the whiney bitch who can't cooperate and care about other people.
So go on, not cooperate and not give a shit about other americans.