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On 'Spaced Out':
"The best performance in Spaced Out was my dog 'Sara' who followed directors orders and was a 'first take' artist. Barry Stokes was in both films (Prey and Spaced Out) and Sara had a pash for him. Sat on his shoulder between takes like a parrot. Can't recall if they filmed that but it was pretty funny".
Her post about Barry Stokes:
"Barry was a player and I heard he left his wife for their nanny. Then I was sorry to hear Barry had a heart attack and left the profession. Hopefully the nanny is gainfully employed and Barry is enjoying his early retirement. Handsome man but handsome is as handsome does".
I'll see if I can transcribe a few of them, think the older version of that site is down now.
I remember she was posting briefly on the old Britmovie forums, she was often very frank about some of the people she'd worked with...did manage to retrieve some of those posts a few years ago.
While I wouldn't question these allegations per se, I would question the effectiveness they'll have in tarnishing Winner's reputation. Especially as that reputation was based on being a loudmouth who directed controversial and violent movies in his prime and being a notoriously rude food critic in his later years. The idea of him being sleazy and obnoxious in real life is hardly likely to shock the public, or diminish him in their eyes, in fact its likely to be in keeping with their perception of him. It would be like someone trying to trash Gordon Ramsay for being bad tempered and swearing allot...it's what he's famous for.
Although those articles are keen to draw similarities to Weinstein, I think these journos know that as a story it's not in the same league. B-list accusers making scuzzy (but not Weinstein level scuzzy) allegations about a long dead film director who hadn't made a film since 1998, it's hardly as newsworthy as a Hollywood big shot being taken down by A-list actresses. Given the prevalence of sexual violence in Winner's films, I think most will find it surprising...maybe even a little dissapointing...that trying to talk three actresses into showing him their breasts is the worst dirt anyone appears to have on him.
Definitely not a film you'd want your aunt and uncle to catch you watching in 2022, especially if their names happen to be Jemima and Remus.
Should anyone be looking for info about his films, I wrote an obit when he passed in 2015, which I suppose doubles as a career overview
gavcrimson.blogspot.com/2015/04/rip-michael-j-murphy.html?m=1
Natas: The Reflection (1983, though usually credited as a 1986 production)
Yep, she's in the sequel 'Preacherman meets Widderwoman' she actually has a fairly significant role in it. Seemingly the only place it ever got a video release was in the UK.
She was definitely in more than just Martin, of that I'm sure. She has a brief role as a Twiggy parody character called ‘Wiggy’ in the 1968 comedy 'The Party', where she is billed as 'Elianne Nadeau'. It's likely she is also 'Eliane Nadeau' who played Burt Reynolds' love interest in one episode of the 1966 TV series 'Hawk'. I guess the slightly different spellings of her name, is why these other performances have gone under the radar.
During the making of Martin she was dating a guy called Ben Barenholtz who owned the Elgin Theater in NYC, which helped kick off the 'midnight movie' phenomenon. Barenholtz was an uncredited producer on Martin, and mentor to Richard Rubinstein.
As to her life after appearing in Martin ...I've discovered she had a job designing print advertisments for a newspaper in Maryland around 1998/99. It's been alleged that she lied about her qualifications in order to get the job and may have later faked an injury. She remains the source of- how can I put this- mixed feelings among the newspaper's staff, on one occasion reducing one of them to tears, although another pointed out "while the interaction with her wasn't always positive, don't get me wrong- I think she had a big heart that just hurt a lot inside". Co-workers remember her being proud of her former acting career, but perhaps not so much of Martin, "she wouldn't tell us the name of it".