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I know I'm late here but no. "Der Sound" (which is masculin) is a typical word in German. I'm from Germany originally and been using that word since I was little.
We have a lot of words that come from English.
Turned out you were wrong...
*Spoiler for Cloverfield in case you haven't watched it yet*
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Actually the monster from Cloverfield came from outer space and just fell into the water from which it emerged (there's a scene at the end of Cloverfield you might have missed - on the Ferris Wheel).
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Your secondary part is totally out of line btw. I never said a black teen can go elsewhere. I said she has the choice and will clearly not choose the old white dude if she ever read one. I thought this whole conversation is about HAVING more PoC critics and when someone says they have the option (once again: option!!) to go to one of those it's suddenly like segregation? But BL doesn't want them to have that option. She wants to have only PoC as critics for them since white dudes shouldn't be the critics for those movies. She's basically saying there shouldn't be white critics for a PoC movie. She's saying "go to the black critic... Not to the white critic. That review isn't for you. So you're basically disagreeing with BL.
I can't address the history of this nation since, as an immigrant myself, I don't think I actually can and should. All I want for her is to talk about INCLUSION not EXCLUSION. And most of my PoC friends (which are not just a few) think the same way and they don't even want her to talk for them since "that is not her place" (quote a black friend).
Go to the video and read comments by PoC. Many of them also feel belittled and even offended by what she said.
The issue here is (apparently) that POC are not represented. Then you name several magazines that represent POC. I just added other options by mentioning YT because as I wrote: A young girl will NOT read a professional critics' review of a movie (they just don't - trust me). If they (ever) WOULD read one they'd go on YT or a page they're interested in.
People here keep forgetting: Nowadays EVERYONE can be (and often is) a critic. People usually chose a critic they like/trust and often represents them. That's natural.
BL is specifically talking about young girls of color. Well, those girls especially would not read a review mind a review from an old white dude. That just doesn't happen (ever met a young girl?). As I wrote before: they want to watch a movie because it looks fun to them. Basically you could say: A young POC girl is not the old white critic's demographic (hmmm... where do we know that from?).
So BL's whole point becomes moot and appears actually - you guessed it - political. And yes, it is politic. Why? Have you checked where it happened when she said it? It was a Woman in Film event. WiF (which btw I'm a member and supporter of - I attended several of their smaller events like "Let's do lunch" and so on - yes, I was in the film business) is a political sub group in the film business. Their agenda is to include women as equals in the male dominant movie business which I, again, totally support.
Yep. You either didn't read or didn't understand what I wrote.
Nothing is factual? So it's not factual that people CAN choose their own reviews? It's not factual young girls of color do NOT read 40 year old dudes reviews?
And then to put me into the f***ing racist crows is even worse. I've lived in a black household for years (being the only white dude) and loved it. In NYC I worked for a Mexican restaurant in the Bronx (again the only white dude). Right now I live in Cali in an all female household (except me) with a Hispanic/native American woman (remember? the one who refused to watch CM) and we're friends living in a more than 60% Hispanic area (about 15% black). I dated a black woman and wouldn't think twice if I was lucky to date one again (although I have an eye on a Kuwaitian woman right now). I hired people of all kinds of color for my business. I watched Black Panther 3 times in the theater and bought the 4k BluRay because I love that movie. I watched Wonder Woman twice (and also own the 4k BD) and even Captain Marvel (after I watched the infamous video). I watched a Winkle in time and liked it. My celebrity crush is Zendaya. I proudly call myself a pro-feminist man. However I'm not a SJW.
Don't you tell me I'm either racist or sexist. What I am is against any kind of exclusion no matter who.
"There are websites that review movies from a Christian slant. What if EVERY reviewer was a hard-line Christian? Do you think all the non Christians want to hear their movies reviewed with that bias? They do not, but the Christian reviewers still exist and still cater to their demographic."
Exactly. So why can't they all co-exist and whoever wants to watch that movie can choose if they want to read a review by whoever they want to. Why are 40's dudes reviews not ok?
PS: I've seen several 40's dudes (without kids mind you) while I was watching kids movies. I've even read there's a culture of adult males watching Barbie movies (a little too much for me personally) and Disney Princess movies (also too much for me). So there is a demographic.
Last but not least: I live in a 60% Hispanic area with 90% of my neighbors being Hispanic including my roommate. We discussed this topic at a party (brought up by one of them) and some even refused to watch CM because of this. Even they said she went too far.
PPS: I watched CM btw.
"She talked about a teen girl of color and whether that demographic WANTS to hear from a 40 year old white dude."
And she doesn't. A teen girl of color can DECIDE whose review she wants to read/watch and will go on a youtube channel that she's interested in and can choose based on her liking/demographic. You basically write that yourself later. That makes BL's whole rant a moot point.
"The 40 year old white dude is reviewing the movie mostly for other 40ish white dudes!"
Exactly. So what's the point of her rant then?
" The "white" has the least impact but its still present."
So they shouldn't exist at all? As I wrote before BL literally refused to even talk to white dudes because they're not anything else. That's basically discrimination and would not be ok if they were anything else but white dudes.
"Target demographics are a real thing, and have been forever. Culture variation is real, even from one neighborhood to the next. Interests that tend to link to age, gender and race ARE REAL. Thats why there are publications devoted to narrow demographics. Jewish newspapers. Black interest magazines like Jet and Ebony. Magazines/websites for kids. Publications for men, and for women. Then some general interest stuff like People."
And again. Exactly. Every single one of these cater to their respective demographics and can opt in to publish a review. There's tons of webpages and even youtube channels (made by kids for kids) that cater to their respective demographics. If a teen girl of color wants a review she believe she can trust she'll find it (and most likely already found it). That girl will not go on Rotten Tomatoes or any other "white dude's" page if she's even interested in reviews because it's even more likely she's not since most children want to watch movies based on trailers and interest (Disney Princess, Animated or in this case a little girl entering a magical place) and not on reviews. Again: Makes BL's rant a moot point.
Just to set it straight:
After they kill Thanos no one talks about what they're going to do. You see Thor walk out the door and it fades to black saying "Five years later". Then the NYC skyline appears (Citi Field) and Cap has his meeting with some people talking about that one dude's date.
Then the rat saves Scott who walks through San Fran, finding the Vanished Stones with his own name (while actually looking for Cassie) until eventually arriving at his daughters house.
Then there's the briefing at the Avenger's house with CM being a hologram and having short hair now. They discuss some stuff (a suspicious ship found with help of CM, the tremors they can't do anything about) and then BW asks: "Carol, are we seeing you next month?", to which Carol replies "Not likely". Rocket then asks: " What? You're gonna get another hair cut?". CM replies: "Listen, fur face, I'm covering a lot of territory. The things that are happening on earth are happening everywhere on thousands of planets." Rocket mumbles:"Yeah… uh... that's a good point". CM to BW: "So for right now you might not see me for a long time." BW says the Channel is always open and everyone disappears leaving only War Machine talking about Barton. After War machine leaves BW starts sobbing when CapAm appears offering her to cook dinner but she's already miserable enough.
That should do it...
Would make sense. :)
Thanks although I don't think it was months. Maybe weeks. As I wrote in another post it might be a deleted scene.
I just did and she said that in the hologram. BW asks her if they'll see here again next month and she replies they won't and she'll be gone for a long time.
If you want I can give you a scene by scene including quotes.
Would make sense. I read somewhere there was a few more scenes with here. Maybe on the BD.
That'd do. :)
The thing is:
She tells people who a movie is for (in this case AWIT) because it features kids and a diverse cast. What she's basically saying is: If you're not represented in the movie you have no right to criticize that movie. She did that because she tried to silence people who were not (in her mind) represented in her movie and might criticize that. It's a pre-emptive strike to protect herself.
The main problem for me was: she then went along and blocked people who are (again in her mind) not represented in her movie (and could criticize it) from interviewing her which is (unlike what she thinks) not ok.
PS: I watch basically EVERY single movie that somehow interests me. I don't care if it's a RomCom (I even like those Hallmark Xmas movies), kids movie (AWIT, House with Clocks and even Goosebumps) or a movie representing different races (Miss Bala is the newest example) and I'm a 40 something, white dude. I don't fit in either political corner.
Seems you didn't pay attention. She said that during the briefing with Black Widow which is just minutes before Scott Lang arrives (and after BW's little chat with Cap who just came back from NYC AFTER the "5 years later") at the Avengers facility which is also just days before the final battle.
Actually yes.
I know several people who don't...
Lol @ writing *spoilers* yet putting a huge spoiler in the title...
Yep. That how it works.
A) She had to come in (I guess for a few hours) and actually do work for the movie.
B) She is a (huge) star and therefore draws audience - no matter how little in this case. That's how it's seen in the movie business.
Yes.
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They used deleted footage from TTDW and a voice over for a scene with her in the background.