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Wow - I had seen a clip of them all hugging Jensen but not how it came about - what a great great idea - absolutely the best way to handle hate, have lots of cuddles.
I agree, as I have said elsewhere it wouldn't surprise me if Mark asked to leave as his storylines have been crap for a while (rather like Cas ones IMO). I think it is their loss as he is a quality actor and could have brought much more to the table than they have given him. They have chosen to go with Lucifer - they really couldn't continue to have them both around as Lucifer would always be more powerful and again IMO that is a really stupid decision.
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Agree with Death or dead as one I'd love to see back (but also ROWENA!!!)
Alive - hmmmmmmmmmmmm don't think anyone - all dead!
Lovely, hopefully we get lots of goodness to post here! Certainly seems as if Jensen had a good time at JIB8 - such a kind man.
It is still really nice to come here and read them, saves me having to go onto tumblr which in general I try to avoid like the plague. So thanks again.
Fabulous recap - thanks very much - I have great difficulty hearing what they say on most of the ones online so this is really appreciated.
"Crowley is already back which many guessed would happen." Sorry Bella but what do you mean here, Crowley killed himself on an angel sword?
Well as I said in my other post - I AM EXTREMELY UPSET - not only that they have killed her as she had a lot left to offer but in the way they did it. I think it was very disrespectful to Ruth to do it off screen. I don't think she will be back and I don't think Crowley will be back but I am not surprised so much with Crowley as they were really not giving him good story lines and Mark is a well respected actor so he won't be worried and may even have asked to get out.
Well I said I would be extremely upset if Rowena died and she did and what a load of crap her death was. I have not seen any tweets from her after the one asking who was watching the final – I think it absolutely stinks that she was killed off like that – what an absolute insult to the actress. I am very disappointed that Jensen and Jared obviously signed off on this. I know that they hated the death of Charlie (I had begun to dislike her as she was such a Mary Sue in the end) so I had no problem personally with her death so why after that have they still been promoting the finale. I feel insulted in a way that Jared is busy promoting the AKF second round whilst we are all trying to get over the stupid unecessary deaths on our show – it seems totally the wrong time, but maybe on the otherhand it is the right time. I'm afraid the two episodes have sort of morphed into the one so not sure of the timing of what and where. I really thought the Dean speech about how Sam was ready was – excuse me but what the fck – it reminded me of the warehouse scene where Bobby was saying how wonderful Sam was and again it was – where on earth is this coming from and what and why is this being said. I don't believe that Jared is demanding that he be given all this adoration for his character but sometimes it is hard not to think surely they – the mysterious they – can see how over the top the writing is – and then Dean compounds this nonsense with all his talk about Sam with Mary – and on and on. I actually do like Sam, especially now, I don't mind that he gets kills more than Dean at the moment but I cannot stand all the hyperbole about Sam and I can't see why we are being hit in the face with it, it is not relevant to anything? I am going to miss Mark Shepherd but I would not be at all surprised if he asked out, he is a quality actor and will not be out of work, and I believe Cas will be back but back to Rowena – nasty nasty Dabb, I hope you get sacked and don't get any more
The trouble is that Amy (Sweet on Dean) and Superwiki and of course Lynne from Fangasm (although her reviews are more tempered and not just how wonderful everything is) are quite vocal and listened too. Also I did notice a few times when Jared asks at Cons is everyone enjoying the Season they always yell back yes which he then acknowledges so I am not at all certain how much of the negative stuff does actually get through to TPTB. These people get very cross at negativity and seem to try and shut it down, but as they have a sort of "friendship" with the SPN actors I think this totally colours how they see things.
I am so confused, round and round we go, the theories are getting more and more outlandish! I bet Dabb is really happy that we are all desperately trying to work out what will happen, exactly what he wants!!!! Like a lot of people it took me a little time to warm to Rowena but I really really like her now and would be extremely upset if she is the one that gets killed off, not only because I like her but it is then totally possible that that will be it i.e. she won't be back (unlike other characters who might well come back if they are killed off). I want it to be Mary so badly that it almost definitely won't be! I think that because Dabb and most of the writers have got everything, well almost everything, wrong I am even more worried that what snippets we have are not going to be nearly as bad as reality - you wouldn't guess it but I am usually a glass half full person as opposed to a glass half empty one. There is a lot of talk on PTV that this season is all a dream that either Dean or Sam is having but unfortunately i don't buy that too many anomalies IMO. I would be sad to see Misha go, but I haven't liked most of the story lines they have given him for some time now but again that is on the writers, the character has a lot of potential still. My greatest wish though is that Dean and Sam are again the front and centre of the arc if they have one and the MOTW stories as well I miss them and if they continue to be side characters then I will probably just have to give up on SPN.
Not seen it yet but as lots of people are very critical of Dabb (me included) thought I would mention that I have read elsewhere that Jared praised him very highly indeed at the con in Australia, think that is where he said it so...............I can only assume they like him because he gives them lots of time off! By the way I usually read Alice Jester's reviews and she is often very critical herself about SPN episodes and has been for several years now.
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Have been on holiday so only watched it last night – agree with lots actually most of what others have said but my main nitpicks are (just my first thoughts in answer to Bella):
Too little Winchesters – if Jensen and Jared need more time off then they need skilled writers who can make it not seem obvious AND Dean and Sam need to be part of and involved in the stories.
Hate that they wasted both the Alpha Vamp, one of my favourite baddies and then the Colt for fcks sake what was that all about – get rid of anything that the fans like grrrrrrrrrr.
Sorry but I can't wait to see the back of Mary, don't care if they kill her off quickly not interested in seeing her make up with her sons, she doesn't deserve them so I am quite happy to just forget about her.
Then of course my very strong dislike for the BMOL, this actually is a huge problem for me as I can't see how they get out of this one, unless they do a Leviathan and just ignore them once they have been killed of in the US????????? and the weapons and so on, just hate hate it all.
Yikes, since I loath all to do with the BMOL and have not liked Mary for some time now and the writers are the worst of the bunch and that's saying something, I really don't think this is one for me!
I noticed the breath but can't say it did any more than it was supposed to i.e. told me it was getting cold!
Oh dear I was just getting comfortable here, I felt worried about being bullied on the old IMDB site so not sure what to do, will go where you guys go I guess but it has been difficult enough getting people here so changing now might make it even worse. I will see what happens (just looking at the old threads gave me the hebejebees! I do still check in to PT but that is terrifying with the moderators slapping hands if you don't follow the absolute rules. You wouldn't think I was a fully grown up adult and older than most here - guess I am just a wimp!
Not sure I would have an overall big bad because that means we have to have a mytharc and those have not been working out too well. I would probably go for a virus brought to earth by “Angels” who have travelled to other universes – this might help to bring Cas into the fold although I would want the rest of the angels to decide they want nothing to do with earth as I haven't liked them for some time.
I would definitely want lots of good MOTW episodes with new and innovative monsters i.e. no vampires or werewolves! Gargoyles, basilisk and googling a few – Wolpertinger, Gjenganfer – lots and lots of potential monsters for them to fight.
I do also rather like CluelessDrifter's idea of an apocalyptic event but they would have to do it properly i.e. deserted towns etc and I doubt they have enough money to do a good job.
As for past characters, if we don't include Jody then it is rather limited as most of the ones I would like have been killed off already.
We would not have in the whole season any other guest actors that were so clever they make Dean and Sam look stupid!!. Cas should be included with a proper storyline which they just do not seem to be able to come up with and Crowley, if he is in the Season is not made to look stupid again with Lucifer.
Lastly no Mary please.