The hippies are repeatedly lambasted throughout this movie by the main characters and called all sorts of names like - "fucking hippie motherfuckers", "goddamn fucking hippies", "dirty fucking hippies", "hippie assholes", "fucking hippie weirdos", etc...
What message is Tarantino trying to send here, Manson's followers were indeed hippies, but most of the hippies from that era were peaceful people, not crazy killers.
Most Muslims aren't terrorists
shareMost Muslims aren't terrorists
I wouldn't have a problem with it. That's how people talk these days.
shareWho the hell talks like that outside of Charlottesville rallys? Stating "fucking dirty Muslims" out in public would have you instantly labeled as an awful racist. Do it at work and you don't have a job anymore.
shareMuslim isn't a race, and neither is hippy. This is the problem with America these days. ACTUAL racism takes a back seat because EVERYTHING is labeled racist now. The word is actually losing meaning and validity. It's completely ludicrous.
shareBananaman, what do you mean "these days"? That's how people always have talked about groups of people. First it was the bonded slaves, then it was the Irish immigrants,then the Jews, then Communists, then hippies, then Muslims, ect....ect... People always have and always will lambaste any group that doesn't fit into their social norm.
shareSaying “dirty Muslims” is bigoted because it is showing hate toward a religion. Saying “dirty hippies” is more socially acceptable since they are a subculture that is no longer around for the most part. It’s the same as saying “dirty goth” or “dirty punk”.
shareI believe that saying something like "fucking dirty Muslims" would not get you fired in most jobs around the world, as long as it is outside the west, and it's not around customers, but among co-workers in private, you always tend to have freedom of speech, no matter what high places you occupy, I'm sure that is not the case the further west we go. Interesting is that there is nothing racist in that statement in and of itself either, and even if there was in the eyes of insecure men, for me it always demads to be respected no matter what, as everyone deserves to be who they are or choose to be, whether they are pedophiles, racists, murderers, doesn't matter. I would welcome more political incorrectness in Hollywood films though, for more people to face their darkness and true freedom of letting go, emotionally.
shareand to stop looking for any excuse to be "offended".
shareBut they commit the overwhelming majority of terror attacks.
Also Sweden would like to have a word with you.
Most Muslims aren't terrorists
I grew up in the 60's and entered college in 1968 - hippies were a mess, certainly not crazy killers, but definitely in a world of their own and many of them were dirty. But then there were different degrees of hippies - the diehards and the wannabes, who just dressed that way to be "cool.".
One word - politics.
shareProbably because hippies became yuppies and then boomers who ruined everything for the rest of us. Such a bullshit generation.
shareKind of have that backwards, don't you. Baby boomers were a generation - some baby boomers became hippies,(which was a subculture), but certainly not the majority.
I'm a boomer - exactly what did I do to ruin it for "the rest of us?" What generation are you?
For Boomers it is all about YOU. You guys are selfish and entitled. Many in my generation and younger generations agree.
shareExactly how are we selfish? How are we entitled? Don't speak in generalities - give specifics and again I ask - what generation are you or how old?
shareBack in the 60's many of you were democrats who were against the war in Vietnam, Now you are mostly republicans who now love war and sending young minorities into dangerous places that your hippie asses refused to go. When you all finally realized that you needed to get jobs, you all got jobs where unions protected your rights and made sure you got good benefits. Now, as republicans, you are suddenly not so interested in making sure companies do the right thing by their employees and are even incredibly resistant to any hike in the minimum wage. Heath care for all, HELL NO, when it comes to boomers. Hey, I got mine, so fuck the rest of you. Social security and medicare? Cut, Cut, Cut. As long as it doesn't take anything away from the Boomers, let them eat cake. They can let the private sector and Wall Street take care of their retirement. The government should stay out of it. But what about when you were young Boomer? Crickets...you see, the benefits that you enjoyed as a young person, you want to deny others. I could go on and on. Okay Boomer...
sharehttps://gobranded.com/political-party-affiliation-millennials-versus-baby-boomers/
"Branded’s research found that both Millennials and Baby Boomers are most likely to be affiliated with the Democrat party. Approximately 43 percent of Millennials and 37 percent of Baby Boomers say they belong to the Democrat party."
So you still didn't answer my question - how old are you?
But you certainly do sound angry. I will reply to some of your comments and I don't mind debating with you as long as you keep it civil with me. You keep up the name calling- at least with me, and the conversation stops.
#1 My family was always Democrat but I have always been a Republican with some very Libertarian leanings.
#2 - I was never a hippie and none of my friends were hippies - do you really understand what the hippies were? And why do you keep lumping all Boomers together with hippies? If you are are referring to the anti-war movement - that crossed over into many segments of society. People could be anti war without being draft dodgers.
#3 - My dad and husband both served in the military and yes I support us going into dangerous areas of the world if necessary. The US military is about 40% minorities, so a lot of white asses are on the line also.
#4 - I've never had a union job in my life and neither does my family or any of my friends. My grandmother was a teacher and did belong to that union, but I view professional unions a little differently than labor unions.
#5 - Exactly what benefits did I enjoy as a young person that I want to deny you? My dad never made a lot of money but we didn't rely on any public assistance - we lived on a bus line and didn't even own a car until I was 9 years old. I'm not sure why you would think it was any different in the 60's than now. Government programs have expanded since Johnson at a crazy rate.
#6 - Why would you think Boomers in general would want to cut SS and medicare when we are the ones either in or approaching retirement age?
Hahaha! A millennial calling another generation selfish and entitled. If that is a serious comment that's pure gold! Too funny!
Get out there and protest for more free shit you pathetic socialist.
OK Boomer. You had gotten the most free shit of any generation. You were the biggest protesters because you were too chicken shit to fight for your country. Just like your glorious leader Trump. He never served a day in his life. You and your Trump are the real socialists you damn Boomers.
shareNot a boomer. Not much of a fan of Trump either, though he is looking better than any candidate on the democratic side amazingly.
Keep trying freebie socialist boy. Keep fighting for those handouts. Stay woke and offended. Later.
Sorry, I don't get handouts like you do. I work for a living.
shareare all millennial's as clueless as modica? that's embarrassing! Trump is the polar opposite of a socialist.
shareWe are not clueless. We just see how Boomers have selfishly ruined the country for the younger generations.
shareYou are clueless. You called Trump a socialist when he is an example of pure capitalism.
shareI said Trump someone who has never served his country in the military. I never called him a Socialist.
share"You and your Trump are the real socialists you damn Boomers." - modica
shareOh OK, it is true that you guys have taken a lot that this country has to offer, but when it comes to the younger generation, you want to deny us the same things that you all got. So yes, you are the real Socialists, but now, in your old age it is more advantageous for you to be the worst kind of conservative. It has always been about you and how to take advantage of the system and when you no longer need those Socialist services that made you thrive, you move on to some other ideology that propels you while it oppresses the younger generations. The younger generations know what you all did and they are pissed. Boomers are the worst.
shareYou just used a whole boat load of words that meant absolutely nothing.
shareSays you. The person who uses sound bytes as a method of disputing the opponent. It works for most of the dunderheads out there, but really isn't a valid form of debate.
shareHow do you feel about the fact that Trump is the best US president in the past 30 years and has made the country great again?
shareFake news.
shareno its reality, but, how does it make you feel?
shareHow is the country great again? I don't see it. Great for rich people maybe. I don't know. Trump is a boring topic to tell the truth.
shareNo great for all people, especially poor people. For one, it was reported that over 250,000 jobs have been added to the US in November. Unemployment overall is at an extremely low 3.5% and blacks in particular are working more than they have in recorded history. He got rid of the horrible NAFTA trade agreement and made a new trade agreement between Canada and Mexico that would actually benefit the USA rather than destroy its economy. Trump also loves his country and puts it first, so he began construction of a big beautiful wall at the border (the most important thing America has needed) to protect the US citizens and save its economy. He also is a real man, so he knows how to negotiate and work things out without bombing other countries like obama. (North Korea, where he was the first leader allowed in to negotiate, and in Syria, where he brought the troops home)
shareI hear this a lot. Can you explain why you believe the Boomer Generation ruined the country, or are you just parroting what you've heard others say?
shareI just feel that they took advantage of all the entitlements they were afforded, but now, as older people they are now anti-entitlement for the younger generation. Stepping back you can see how selfish and entitled they really are. Their music was the best, their generation are the hardest workers, they struggled more than anyone else. The list goes on. They have taken everything and left us nothing. Believe me, we feel it and it isn't just parroting anyone else. The anti-establishment generation became the establishment. No wars for them, but now I hear a lot of them wanting young people to serve their country in a military capacity. What was good for the goose isn't good for the gander.
shareWhat entitlements did the boomers taking advantage of? It really sounds to me like you're commenting on the way older people behave, and that spans generations. My father was of the GI Generation, my mother the Silent Generation. Both felt the music of their era was the best, that they struggled and were harder workers than those younger than them. That's just how older people tend to think.
As a Gen-X'er, I think my own generation to some extent, but the Millennials more significantly, have caused a lot of the problems the younger generations are facing. There seems to be an expectation that a person should be able to "follow their bliss," and enjoy a "lifestyle," and spend spend spend while "working" a job that is more of a hobby, while everything should be provided for them by family and state. Millennials have dug the hole they find themselves in, and are trying to pass the blame onto the old folks.
I think that things are much harder for this generation. Unions were once there to protect workers rights and now a very small portion of workers are protected under unions. My aunt was a Democrat and always fought for workers rights, but now that she is retired, she is a Republican who thinks that the younger generations are entitled spoiled brats. How so? Boomers had much better access to health care also, because it was cheaper for boomers to go to a doctor than it is for younger generations. All old people want is tax breaks. I just feel that boomers feel "I got mine, so screw the rest of you". That is how I feel and there are many of the younger set who feel the same way. The standard of living was much higher when the super rich paid more in taxes. Now the way of life that boomers enjoyed, is denied the young. Doing better than your parents was once a staple of American life, but now it isn't that way.
shareNo mention anywhere of Generation X and the maybe others i n between? :-)
shareThe hippie culture that was growing during the time was the exact opposite of Rick Dalton’s. They had negative opinions of hippies because of what that culture was doing to film. The director of Lancer in the film wanted Rick to wear a more “hippie” style cow boy outfit. Rick and also Cliff’s careers are fading because they refuse to change with the times. Rick looked at himself as a victim of hippie culture and that’s why he was aggressive against it.
Who’s career is moving up? Sharon Tate’s career is blossoming and if you notice in the film she gives the hippie girl a ride and takes her shoes off in the theater. All these things are clues. She is embracing the hippie culture that’s finding its way in to films
It’s just like how people hate all the SWJ stuff that’s in modern film today. If your old school you probably can’t stand it but if you grew up with these ideas you might embrace it.
I believe I made a post about this a few months back, but there are a few things to consider, I think.
During this time, the cold war was hitting its peak, if not at its peak already, and hippies, for many older folk like Rick, were as anti-western as you could get.
In eyes of the preceding generation, they were no better than communists. They eschewed the occidental ideals of working hard, contributing to society, and making something of themselves. They were anti-establishment, circumspect of the negative effects of consumerism, but blind to the positives of capitalism. In short, they were anti-American, and given that Rick Dalton and the older generation fought for American ideals, Rick saw them as stepping on their sacrifices. In the film, they're freeloaders. Their only visible line of work is providing sightseeing on horseback for tourists, hardly a job that requires much effort. They were against working hard which, at the time, was seen as an integral part of American culture. I reckon a large part of why Americans work more on average than any other nation is because of these instilled beliefs.
The hippies, in some respects, were akin to the millennials, in the sense that they were too young to have served in either the Korean and Vietnamese war or in the Gulf and Iraqi/Afghan war. Although millennials don't have a subculture, they're colloquially and disparaging referred to as such. They were idealistic, and as with many ideals, what looks good on paper more often than not resembles what Tarantino depicted in the film, disarray.
Hippies were dirty, lazy, drugged up, diseased, anti-American, anti-authority losers. The main characters in this film had perfectly normal (and historically accurate) reactions to them.
shareOk, boomer.
shareThe Boomers WERE the hippies, you STUPID moron. So how is a person lambasting them a Boomer? I swear to God, I'm going to block every moron that uses this OK Boomer meme. Every last one of them.
shareIt's just a meme, calm down. You're going to get a heart attack, boomer.
shareBlocked. I'm not a Boomer. Have a nice day.
shareOh, noes, Atomic Girl just blocked me. I won't get more annoying notifications from a dumb bitch that doesn't get memes :(
shareOnly followers parrot memes. The only reason memes, and fads in general, exist in the first place is because most people are followers.
shareCouldn't agree more.
"I don't know how to genuinely be funny, so I'll just repeat something that I've heard people laugh at before to obtain my acceptance and affirmation from society. You know, because I'm cool and current."
Fuck "memes" and anyone that uses them. First of all, stop misusing the word "meme", and just tell a joke. And, for fucks sake, try and make it a good one, but at the very least, just let it come from YOU.
Ok, boomer.
shareOk, boomer
shareSince you have no arguments, your tacit concession that you're a follower is noted. I'll also point out that followers are a subspecies of "idiot."
shareThey were gross...and ice cream barons (sell-outs since 2000 to Unilever all the same!) Ben and Jerry (Cohen and Greenfield, respectively) were two of them.:-)
(NOTE: Paraphrasing Carly Simon: Jerry Greenfield is so vain he thinks he old Brothers Four song GREENFIELDS was about him, don;t you.>)
Was not aware of that, but not surprised in the least.
shareTHEY INEVITABLY FORM A HIPPIE DRUM CIRCLE.
shareHippies who adapted became politicians, lawyers, computer experts, CEOs, doctors...maybe Presidents, and maybe movie stars(Jack Nicholson hung with the hippies, and Dennis Hopper was one.)
Hippies who couldn't adapt...are all over the streets of American cities these days. Homeless.
Its a pretty obvious joke that in 1968, there was a slogan ("Don't Trust Anyone Over 30") and a movie in which people over 30 were rounded up and put in detention camps("Wild in the Streets") and now those once under-30 folks are the "old folks" disliked by the younger generation. (Though America's political power structure is top heavy with 70-somethings.)
Speaking of Dennis Hopper, when Easy Rider hit big and he was suddenly the Richest Hippie in Hollywood, he confronted Old Time Director George Cukor(My Fair Lady) at a Hollywood party in front of other people and said "We're gonna bury you!" to which Cukor replied, "yes, I suppose you are right." They were pretty arrogant folks, the hippies who took over Hollywood in the 70s. But in the 80's , TV network executives took Hollywood back and fired the hippies.