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Do moviemakers have a PC list of themes they try to adhere to today?

posted 7 years ago by whynotwriteme (7725)
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Do they deliberately try to include all the PC favorites? This one includes protagonists who were gays, blacks, the handicapped; presenting white heterosexual men as evil; alternate sexual practices shown as good; the idea that pre-hippie 60s were an evil time and probably many many more cherished Liberal themes.

Del Toro HAD to be trying to fill out some sort of sacred cow checklist when he made this, right?

[–] grindovermatter (380) 7 years ago

No.

[–] whynotwriteme (7725) 7 years ago

Thanks for your well-thought-out, thorough and detailed response.

[–] Geff (453) 7 years ago

Welcome.

[–] pbt (113) 7 years ago

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[–] Geff (453) 7 years ago

I'm sorry that bestiality is not politically correct enough for you. Live inside your closed minded echo chamber where only one point of view is allowed. If someone expresses or demonstrates any opposing point of view just shout "down with their free speech!" and then retreat to your safe space and close your ears and eyes.

If you are so triggered and offended why don't you petition your dean to to keep liberal movies out of your campus.

[–] filmklassik (51) 7 years ago

Good points all. Like you, I hate it when people (whether on the Left or the Right) get “triggered” by ideas that make them uncomfortable.

And you’re right, too, that our campuses are full of such intolerant pantywaists.

There are, believe it or not, and as sick and reprehensible as this sounds, people in the United States of 2018 who are — wait for it — actually in favor of limiting our freedom of speech.

Scary? Yes. But very very real.

[–] Satan2016 (25576) 7 years ago

Oh no, you triggered the SJWs. Wait for the accusations of "far-right neo-Nazi" trolling!

[–] Duck6 (425) 7 years ago

Race, sexual preference and gender are the only 3 things that matter apparantly.

[–] TheMouseShadow (418) 7 years ago

Im sure Del Toro was giggling the entire time he was writing it knowing how it would trigger people just like you.

[–] tom8 (3119) 7 years ago

Yes

[–] filmschooldegree (350) 7 years ago

It's the new Oscarbait model, after they had to throw Weinstein under the bus to distract from Russiagate and the shootings. The good news is less historical dramas, biopics and British people; the bad news is everything you listed.

[–] Xenopharb (617) 7 years ago

I don't know. Perhaps you can see your real objections in your answers to this questionnaire:

When the alien we call Superman dates Lois Lane, does it upset you?

Does Spock being half human make your skin crawl?

Does Jeff Bridges in Starman make you uncomfortable?

Did you post a similar response about Seven of Nine, Deanna Troi, or Saavik?

[–] whynotwriteme (7725) 7 years ago

@Xenopharb. Your comparisons are ridiculous because Superman, Spock, Starman, Seven of Nine, Deanna Troi and Saavik all look just like normal pleasant looking warm blooded human beings, except maybe with the addition of pointy ears in a couple of cases.

The creature in this movie is a cold-blooded, hideous, slimy nonverbal fishman who eats live cats.

Why did you even bother compiling your list? It's like saying "Oh, you like to eat steak? Then what's wrong with rat intestines?"

[–] Xenopharb (617) 7 years ago

Why do you believe it was cold blooded?

Why does it matter that some of these aliens look more human-like than others? They are ALL aliens nevertheless.

Starman was just in human form. He was closer to the alien in The Thing than to a human. What about the furry guys in Earth Girls are Easy or Delenn in Babylon 5?

I guess you didn't like Guardians of the Galaxy, Hellboy, or Thor either.

[–] Ratatosk80 (6) 7 years ago

I agree with whynotwriteme, her having sex with the fishmonster was actually disgusting.

It was not just about the look of the creature. What I found repulsive as well was that the creature was shown to be something like a cross between say a human and a gorilla in intelligence. Granted I stopped watching the movie after the bathroom sex scene, maybe the creature was shown to be a genius after this point, but leading up to the sex it did not display human level intelligence. It felt more like an animal which made her having sex with it extremely repulsive.

In my mind that is a normal reaction. As humans we have this innate disgust response to things like siblings having sex, incest, bestiality etc. I guess it's an evolutionary thing.

[–] [deleted] a year ago

Speak for yourself cupcake, this movie got me all hot and bothered.

[–] Ace_Spade (9575) 8 months ago

Meredith Chivers did a study that disagrees a bit...

"Women showed a signiﬁcant increase in genital arousal to a non-human sexual stimulus, but did not report being sexually aroused by this stimulus. This means the sexual cues in the ﬁlm were sufﬁcient to activate an automatic genital response, but not a psychological experience of sexual arousal."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228379474_A_brief_review_and_discussion_of_sex_differences_in_the_specificity_of_sexual_arousal

So, maybe at least women are subconsciously interested in bonobo sex. In which case, the fact that the monster-human sex pairing in this movie had a human female was perhaps scientifically valid.