I don't know why the show doesn't "feel" like ST to you or why you hate Rapp's character the most but I can say this. Yes, the crew is different from EVERY OTHER ST crew in this IMPORTANT way. Unlike all the other ST crew, we meet DSC's crew BEFORE they are all fully matured. They are ALL imperfect and in the first two season's we see them grow into the well oiled , functioning machine we saw IMMEDIATELY in TOS, TNG, ENT and to some extent in VOY and DS9. Burnham is brash and impatient, Saru cowardly and uncomfortable in ST; Tilly is silly and annoyingly new, if ambitious; Stammets is sarcastic and a bit stuck up. A second way in which DSC's crew differs from all the other ST crews is that we know A LOT about the background of EACH of them. Much more than we knew of the TOS, TNG or ENT bridge crew. Once again, the VOY and DS9 crew were somewhat explained to us or we had ideas about them from other shows..
I have watched ST since I was 7 or 8 years old too and I find DSC the most beautifully shot, well scripted, acted and the most imaginative and realistic re-interpretation of Roddenberry's dream. Apparently, the actors they chose are not to your liking, if you could suspend that aspect of your disbelief, it should make it easier for you to notice the other parts of DSC that do not depend entirely on your notion of charisma, charm or beauty'.
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Olivergbyrne (695)
5 years ago
It doesn't feel like Star Trek to me because it is very much unlike the other trek shows in term of atmosphere. So a lot of fans of classic Star Trek turns to the Orville because although there is humor in it , it feels more Classic Star Trek than Discovery. Discovery feels like your typical generic Sci Fy show , it cares more about big action set piece than likable character. For Rapp character It's just I find him personally extremely unpleasant (That is my opinion about him, you have your own that is fine) as a character, a waste of potential considering how meaningful his story line could have been for LGBT representation. I actually like Rapp in Rent and when he was a kid in Adventures in Baby sitting but I just do not feel him in that role at all like most of the characters in the show, he has not grown on me. Also, I beg to differ , Star Trek Voyager and Enterprise also started with the crew getting together and getting to know each other just like Discovery and yet they felt very much like a Star Trek show. I mean a lot of people would like Discovery but I personally feel it was made in order to attract people who are not fans of the franchise to begin with by concentrating on visual effect and action set piece rather than slow burning character moments that a lot of old school Star Trek fans actually happens to like (The character moments was my favorite things about the other show). Sure, Discovery looks very pretty and it's beautifully shot, they spend like three times the budget on it than the 80s/90s shows but aesthetics was never a priority for me when watching a Treck show.
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Thespear (134)
5 years ago
"I personally feel it was made in order to attract people who are not fans of the franchise to begin with by concentrating on visual effect and action set "
I don't think we are disagreeing much. Discovery's bridge cast is not typical of ST therefore perhaps it does not "please" or "appeal" to the classic (your word) fans. DSC's crew exhibit human flaws which was NOT the case with any other ST series. Let's cut the bull right? White male heterosexuals are NOT the DSC leads and THAT is freaking out the white, male heterosexual fan base, right? While merely saying a character is not 'likable' is protected speech , it is hardly a useful basis for judging the QUALITY of a show. If your definition of what 'feels' like ST, is ALWAYS white male leads, then I think you are missing Roddenberry. He broke the mold by including an international bridge cast (at a time when it was arguably controversial thing to do, in the middle of the space race). Today, Roddenberry would have encouraged and endorsed a bridge crew reflecting the diversity of humanity. Besides, what is so wrong with reaching out to other segments of it's viewers? Not all fans of ST are white male and hetero!
The Orville is more fitting, I agree. So is the misogyny and humiliation of the 'other' in the Orville. Ever wonder why all the none white alien males in TO are the butt of almost ALL the jokes and exhibit the most debasing human qualities and physical characteristics, while the alien females look almost human; are white and have the more positive alien powers? Of course, your classic fanboy is going to love it!
Look, I don't like TO much because I can see right thru it and I don't like what I see. Yes, TO does remind me of the day when ST itself was sexist but I would like to think that we have moved on from that time. Perhaps it is time for ST to take it's place once again in the vanguard of Sci-fi . DSC is ALL that and much, much more!
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Olivergbyrne (695)
5 years ago
"If your definition of what 'feels' like ST, is ALWAYS white male leads, then I think you are missing Roddenberry." Interesting, you seem to always try to apply bigotry to the fact I do not like Discovery.... NO, by old classic Trek I include Deep Space Nine and the lead was an African American, Voyager is probably my favorite of them all, the Captain was a woman,Tuvok who was a black man was one of the most interesting and well written character on that show. Also the original show was probably the one I liked the least out of the classic shows so definitely not missing Roddenberry. All of the Trek shows before had a certain format that felt familiar and comfortable, Discovery is the only show that stepped out of that format and feels more action packed Sci fy. I like spending time with the crew and small intimate character interactions and I do not feel Discovery has enough of these more intimate moments that is all I mean and noting that you imply. The cast of discovery could all be as white as colonel Sanders from KFC, I would still feel the exact same way.
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Thespear (134)
5 years ago
" I like spending time with the crew and small intimate character interactions and I do not feel Discovery has enough of these more intimate moments that is all I mean and noting that you imply.",
When you made this statement I realized you are trying desperately to deny something even YOU suspect is TRUE because that statement completely without foundation. DSC is the most careful and complete ST series when it comes to small interactions between the ship's crew and presenting a complete picture of EVERY crew member. The thing that felt 'familiar' about all the other ST series was this white male dominance (despite all the facts you mentioned). DSC DID break the mold in that respect! There are NO heroic, strong, white, hetero males examples on the DSC bridge. THAT'S WHAT IT IS! THAT'S ALL IT IS!
"The cast of discovery could all be as white as colonel Sanders from KFC, I would still feel the exact same way."
I know you will say this isn't you but tell me, if this statement is true of MOST similarly disgruntled ST "fanboys," why are the foaming at the mouth for a Pike/Spock spin off? Yes, DSC is more action packed but it also has far better visuals. These are both things you would expect from from the most advanced production of ST, watch what we will see in the new PIC series!
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JestersDead (485)
5 years ago
Thespear, could you be any more woke? Thanks for all the virtue signaling too.
And by the way, Captain Janeway in STV was a woman. So much for your obsession with white male dominance.
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