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domestically.

Oh boy.

It's not a Solo-level disaster, though. Even though it's likely it won't match Solo domestically(who saw that coming?), it could be saved by overseas business that isn't as catastrophic as Solo's.

Stay tuned, guys. This is getting REALLY interesting!

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Why would that come as a surprise to you? Sequels often, perhaps more often than not, earn less than their predecessor. Avengers 2, Empire Strikes Back, Godfather 2, The Last Jedi... generally, it's unusual for a sequel to earn more than the prior film, assuming the prior film wasn't some kind of sleeper that became a cult favorite, a la Boondock Saints. This isn't a hard and fast rule, but it's certainly a common phenomenon. Of course, as you've established yourself as an anti-Disney troll, you will of course find some reason that each Disney film has failed, while their competitors have achieved magnificent success, so...

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No...I'm not "anti-Disney" at all. They are, by far, my favorite studio especially in animation.

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You sure have an odd way of expressing that love for Disney. You enjoy a lot of their movies, but express doom and gloom for their box office success? Are you a Disney stakeholder by any chance?

I mean, whenever it comes to a movie's box office performance from that studio/company almost every time, you would constantly act like Chicken Little over it (and I don't just mean that not-so-great Disney movie). Anyways Disney haven't last experience a lot of financial troubles or box office headaches since the 70s, 80s, and 00s decades.

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I'm sorry, I don't understand that last sentence. Could you re-phrase it, please?

It's simple. Disney hardly makes even moderately budgeted films anymore. Nearly all of their films are amongst the most expensive in the business so they have to knock it out of the park every time.AM2 ain't "knocking it outta the park" for a film with a 160-170 million dollar budget.

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Except that it is? It doubled its own budget before it was released to all countries. It still has 6-7 more countries to hit in August and just reached Germany and Hungary yesterday. I think it will get to China in August as well and Marvel movies do very well over there. It was projected to make around 600 million and is on its way to doing so.

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AM2 ain't "knocking it outta the park" for a film with a 160-170 million dollar budget.

I don't know why it seems you've been expecting Ant-Man 2 to skyrocket to huge numbers so quickly.

Do you even realize that today, July 27, the movie has only been out for 21 days? TWENTY ONE DAYS... Three Weeks... And still has big markets where it hasn't opened... And it's already in profit zone.

The first Ant-Man's totals are based on a theatrical run of 154 days. ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR DAYS.... Twenty-Two weeks.

21 days vs. 22 weeks.... Ant-Man 2 is going to have done very well by the time the run is finished.

You're talking as if the movie is already done and has dropped out of the theaters.

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*July 27. But, yeah, it has only been out for a few days without a lot of international releases. It also took the first Ant-Man some time to gain traction.

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Ah, thanks, I corrected that.

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Queen, Forbes has other voices and analysts besides Scott Mendelson who opine on Movies and Box Office Performance. Such as Mark Hughes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2018/07/24/ant-man-and-the-wasp-will-top-600-million-box-office/#64ae1a53908a

You, yourself never seem to provide any researched information on your "critiques" and "predictions" for all things Disney and more often go on what you "Want to see happen" as opposed to what you have predicted to happen based on data, or experience, or industry knowledge, or interviews or just plain old getting into a scrap with Bill Brown and being schooled.

The Motley Fool used to have contributors who weighed in on Movie Box Office performance but too often they would take both sides of a set of facts just for getting "clicks". I don't think you make your posts to be edgy or controversial. You just dislike Disney and desire to see them knocked down a peg or two which is why you so often tout other Studios positive performances but never seem to point out their poor performances.

Hughes ' article paints a more optimistic picture for Marvel's AM&TW's Box Office performance and doesn't try and slight the results by shading the production budget by suggesting, as you have, that Disney over spends just to get less than stellar results. You would make it seem that Low Budget films (Get Out) are the model and the leaders for some magical ROI. They're not. CBMs tend to have a larger budget but also yield quantitively larger results. Get Out grossed $255 Million on a $4.5 production budget not counting marketing.

Ant Man grossed $519 Million on a $130 Million budget. Get Out has the higher ROI but AM had the much higher Gross Profit. Marvel has so many other revenue streams from AM that it is no comparison as to which one a studio will pick as the model for success. Marvel/Disney doesn't have to knock anything out the park as you suggest. That is why you are suggested as throwing "Shade" at Marvel/Disney for your completely made up financial success criteria.

AM&TW is doing just fine and will be a another success for Marvel notwithstanding your own false financial success narrative.

We good?



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My last sentence, right?

It's not like they are on a verge of bankruptcy any time soon like in the 80s. Or would consistently experience a series of hits and misses like in the 00s, and essentially felt like a former shadow of themselves.

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Nearly all of their films are amongst the most expensive in the business so they have to knock it out of the park every time.AM2 ain't "knocking it outta the park" for a film with a 160-170 million dollar budget.

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honest question.....when you made this statement, did you have any clue at all that Ant-Man 2 still had not opened in 6 Major Markets Including China?

lol I just can not imagine you making this statement if YOU ACTUALLY knew AM2 still had these remaining Markets coming...

the only way your statement makes sense is if at the time you made the statement, YOU didnt realize AM2 had more Markets to open in and You were thinking it was going to finish around 400 to 425 MILLION.

Basically, you simply opened your mouth without having all the info....You thought AM2 opened in all markets and was heading toward a gross LESS than AM1...

but to your embarrassment, you didnt know AM2 still had Major Markets to open in Including China which is guaranteed to net a 110 to 150 Million dollar gross(probably closer to 120 M)

AM2 is heading toward a 600 Million + Gross on a 160 Million Budget(lol just had to try and add an extra 10 million on huh queen).....this Will result in a 100 to 130 Million dollar Profit(MORE than AM1).....this is how you say "A Home RUN"....or "Knocking it out of the park"

PS...

Funny you spent a month Praising Ready Player One and calling its box office "Red Hot".....Yet RPO Made Less than AM2 in every way....

RPO Cost 175 Million +(over 300 Million counting Marketing)
Opened to 53 Million
made 137 Million Domestically
and made 587 Million WW

^^^This is RED HOT....

Yet

AM2 costing 160 Million
Opening to 75 Million
Making 200 Million + domestically
and 600 Million + WW

Is according to you not good

something seem off here....queen....either YOU were WRONG about RPO .......Or YOUR Wrong about AM2....

RPO cant Be doing RED HOT box office, when it made LESS than AM2 in every way and Cost More to Make....

and AM2 Has to Being doing BURNING RED HOT Box office since it Made More than the "Red Hot" RPO in every way and cost LESS to make....


Bottom line.....congrats...YOU YOURSELF proved AM2 is a MONSTER HIT. queen..

lol your month long trolling on RPO now makes it impossible for you to claim AM2 is anything but A RED HOT box office HIT....

for like the 100th time your trolling once again comes back to bite you queen....

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hey queen.....fathers been in the hospital on ventilator for a month now, I've been basically living at the hospital with my family, I basically havent had time or really cared to argue on here....

but thank god my dad has somewhat stabilized(He still in bad shape) but is doing better....

I just checked this site for the first time in over 20 days, and Literally LAUGHED OUT LOUD....

YOU did it again!

you massively JUMPED the gun and disastrously made ASS OUT OF YOUR SELF!....

lol once again youj umped the gun and didnt understand box office. you thought AM2 was under performing and but just didnt realize what you were looking at....

AM2 is GUARANTEED to top 600 Million just as I said and predicted....

lol and my god talk about a fail, predicting AM2 to not "top AM1 domestically"....seriously where did you even get that, that was never even a possibility....

anyways, heres a article explaining where AM2 is heading....https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2018/07/24/ant-man-and-the-wasp-will-top-600-million-box-office/#1cd9faba908a

the thing you didnt understand was...AM2 still has 4 major markets to open in including China....

EPIC FAIL!

lol I must admit it brings me some much needed joy to see that you've spent 20 days thinking AM2 was under performing and making FAILED threads simply because you were too stupid to understand the results....

AM2 is Heading EXACTLY where I predicted and where it was expected to gross....OVER 600 Million....With a shot at 650 MILLION+

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Hey bill...I'm so sorry about your father's condition. I REALLY AM...and I hope he pulls through. I am also glad that you are okay as I was worried about the way you dropped out of here so abruptly.

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Fyi, AM2 has already topped AM1 domestically.

So much for this topic.

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It's good to hear back from you, billbrown. I hope everything is still going okay will you and your family.

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thanks, My dads in Bad shape but hanging in there...

Queens brought me some much needed JOY, lol , I didnt come to this site for 20 days, but when I finally did, like usual I see Queens spent the last 20 days PREMATURELY trolling on AM1 ONLY to have everything he said come back to bite him!

I swear, Its almost like Queen is incapable of learning from PAST mistakes....How many times does he have to JUMP THE GUN and Prematurely TROLL and then have it come back bite him before he learns....

Anyways, upon coming back to this site, I did a quick check to see what queen was posting, of course I was immediately hit with NOTHING but MASSIVE FAIL after MASSIVE FAIL....and Of Course I wanted to reply to a few and ABUSE queen....

but I'm not kidding, There was literally SO MANY and The FAILS were so bad, I literally had a hard time Picking out a couple to respond to....I normally would have spent a few days responding to them all and RUBBING queen face in all his failures but in this case just I didnt have the time or really feel up to it....So I just wanted to respond to a few, you know pick out 2 or 3 of his worst fails....

but I'm not kidding, There were So MANY AWFUL FAILS in the 20 days I was gone, I truly had a hard time deciding which ones to respond to...

Queen Literally Failed So Horrifically, It was almost Impossible for me to Judge and Pick out which ones were his Worst Fails....

but I picked out a few, responded, and again It brought some much needed JOY to my day

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Queen never ceases to amaze everyone, that's for sure.

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I agree

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