Learned a long time ago, when someone resorts to the "are you on the payroll of ....?" routine, they actually don't know what else to say; their opinion is a blank, an empty, meaningless gesture, without rhyme or reason to back it up. Disagree with their opinion and they're lost cause they don't know what they're talking about. Discussion will always be impossible because discussion never was the point. Folks like ml-125 say stuff to provoke. They say provocative things, then sit back and enjoy the responses. WHACK !!!! is only half the story; "whacked out" fills in the blank: the space where a real opinion can be found when someone actually has something to say.
THE GET DOWN, according to ml-125, has LOUSY acting?
Well, if this is lousy acting, I wonder what ml-125 considers good?
Brilliant acting is more like it.
Jimmy Smits gives the performance of his life; if this was a movie, he'd be nominated for an Academy Award. The lead, Justice Smith, plays a boy becoming a man before our very eyes. He's morally complex and emotionally complicated. On top of which, he's called on to dance, rap, and sing.
The storytelling style does not attempt the kind of documentary realism that ml-125 says is missing. This is not a show about realistic street scenes. It's about the spirit of an era, 1977; it's about the merging of social and creative forces giving new form to old sounds, rearranged and reborn. In the process, this burst of vital creativity pushed against all those established rhythms of the status quo until the immutable social barriers keeping people, races, cultures apart, crumbled, turning the beat around for all time. Each of the characters represent an aspect of the era, and it's to the film makers' credit that we can relate to their hopes and dreams, their experiences, fears, conflicts, loves, but most of all to whatever it is that brings them to their own particular music, as human beings. (The acting is, across the board, excellent.)
What's really remarkable is how THE GET DOWN seems at first to be a drama but actually moves and plays like a musical, with its songs and dance numbers, not on top of the action, but emerging from within it. This is a world of sound, music, and motion; those things -- demonstrated even in the way the show is presented, edited -- are a reflection of that world's truth.
This is a remarkable show.
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snk2005
8 years ago
Learned a long time ago, when someone resorts to the "are you on the payroll of ....?" routine, they actually don't know what else to say; their opinion is a blank, an empty, meaningless gesture, without rhyme or reason to back it up. Disagree with their opinion and they're lost cause they don't know what they're talking about. Discussion will always be impossible because discussion never was the point. Folks like ml-125 say stuff to provoke. They say provocative things, then sit back and enjoy the responses. WHACK !!!! is only half the story; "whacked out" fills in the blank: the space where a real opinion can be found when someone actually has something to say.
THE GET DOWN, according to ml-125, has LOUSY acting?
Well, if this is lousy acting, I wonder what ml-125 considers good?
Brilliant acting is more like it.
Jimmy Smits gives the performance of his life; if this was a movie, he'd be nominated for an Academy Award. The lead, Justice Smith, plays a boy becoming a man before our very eyes. He's morally complex and emotionally complicated. On top of which, he's called on to dance, rap, and sing.
The storytelling style does not attempt the kind of documentary realism that ml-125 says is missing. This is not a show about realistic street scenes. It's about the spirit of an era, 1977; it's about the merging of social and creative forces giving new form to old sounds, rearranged and reborn. In the process, this burst of vital creativity pushed against all those established rhythms of the status quo until the immutable social barriers keeping people, races, cultures apart, crumbled, turning the beat around for all time. Each of the characters represent an aspect of the era, and it's to the film makers' credit that we can relate to their hopes and dreams, their experiences, fears, conflicts, loves, but most of all to whatever it is that brings them to their own particular music, as human beings. (The acting is, across the board, excellent.)
What's really remarkable is how THE GET DOWN seems at first to be a drama but actually moves and plays like a musical, with its songs and dance numbers, not on top of the action, but emerging from within it. This is a world of sound, music, and motion; those things -- demonstrated even in the way the show is presented, edited -- are a reflection of that world's truth.
This is a remarkable show.
I don't do signatures. ^_^
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MiketheMechanic
8 years ago
Learned a long time ago, when someone resorts to the "are you on the payroll of ....?" routine, they actually don't know what else to say; their opinion is a blank, an empty, meaningless gesture, without rhyme or reason to back it up. Disagree with their opinion and they're lost cause they don't know what they're talking about. Discussion will always be impossible because discussion never was the point. Folks like ml-125 say stuff to provoke. They say provocative things, then sit back and enjoy the responses. WHACK !!!! is only half the story; "whacked out" fills in the blank: the space where a real opinion can be found when someone actually has something to say.
THE GET DOWN, according to ml-125, has LOUSY acting?
Well, if this is lousy acting, I wonder what ml-125 considers good?
Brilliant acting is more like it.
Jimmy Smits gives the performance of his life; if this was a movie, he'd be nominated for an Academy Award. The lead, Justice Smith, plays a boy becoming a man before our very eyes. He's morally complex and emotionally complicated. On top of which, he's called on to dance, rap, and sing.
The storytelling style does not attempt the kind of documentary realism that ml-125 says is missing. This is not a show about realistic street scenes. It's about the spirit of an era, 1977; it's about the merging of social and creative forces giving new form to old sounds, rearranged and reborn. In the process, this burst of vital creativity pushed against all those established rhythms of the status quo until the immutable social barriers keeping people, races, cultures apart, crumbled, turning the beat around for all time. Each of the characters represent an aspect of the era, and it's to the film makers' credit that we can relate to their hopes and dreams, their experiences, fears, conflicts, loves, but most of all to whatever it is that brings them to their own particular music, as human beings. (The acting is, across the board, excellent.)
What's really remarkable is how THE GET DOWN seems at first to be a drama but actually moves and plays like a musical, with its songs and dance numbers, not on top of the action, but emerging from within it. This is a world of sound, music, and motion; those things -- demonstrated even in the way the show is presented, edited -- are a reflection of that world's truth.
This is a remarkable show.
Sounds like you're on the payroll of the producers! There are a few other posters on this board who also go into too much detail and provide too much commentary on the show..
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nfaust1
8 years ago
Well, like I said, when the only comment someone makes is, "You must be working for the producers," it's a sign they really don't have any other reason to disagree. The other sure sign is when someone brings up how much has been written. You, MiketheMechanic, made both comments in as many sentences.
The show is brilliant. I've said why I think it's so. Will add, "A shame when dolts like you can't accept the opinions of those with MUCH better taste than you."
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MiketheMechanic
8 years ago
Well, like I said, when the only comment someone makes is, "You must be working for the producers," it's a sign they really don't have any other reason to disagree. The other sure sign is when someone brings up how much has been written.
Please don't make it up as you go along. If you're a fan of the show, fine, it's not a bad show and can be quite enjoyable for what it is. Brilliant isn't a word that I'd use to describe it.
But you sound and write like you're more than just a casual fan, something that is odd for a show that's only produced and aired six episodes.
The following sounds like a press release:
This is not a show about realistic street scenes. It's about the spirit of an era, 1977; it's about the merging of social and creative forces giving new form to old sounds, rearranged and reborn. In the process, this burst of vital creativity pushed against all those established rhythms of the status quo until the immutable social barriers keeping people, races, cultures apart, crumbled, turning the beat around for all time. Each of the characters represent an aspect of the era, and it's to the film makers' credit that we can relate to their hopes and dreams, their experiences, fears, conflicts, loves, but most of all to whatever it is that brings them to their own particular music, as human beings.
Also, please note that a true fan (or an employee who should know better) will realize and respect the opinions of others without having to resort to insults as you did.
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nfaust1
8 years ago
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_get_down/s01/reviews/?type=top_critics
That's right troll, a true fan would respect and not call those who disagree with them "... an employee who should know better."
A true fan would have seen other movies and would have a point of reference for the paragraph copied above in the works of the creator and executive producer of the series. With that point of reference in mind, what I have written, and has been copied, would not seem so strange to you.
A true fan would be able to see what's on the screen and not simply what they believe is not.
A true fan would have a working knowledge of the way one writes critical pieces, reads reviews, think-pieces, and would be able to respond specifically to ideas the writer has expressed, instead of merely calling the way others perceive work "press releases."
A true fan would have pointed out what they disagree with in the piece you've copied. They would also have explained why the points of disagreement exist, instead of merely calling it a Press Release; which means, in my view, you have no objections to the content of the piece. Rather, in true troll fashion, you dislike the whole idea that anyone would disagree with you.
Yes, a real fan would not HAVE to resort to insult because the show itself would fill them with enthusiasm and a myriad of ideas to express. But when I responses to what I write that are condescending, that do not actually address the points I bring up, and cast aspersions on the honesty of my opinion, I WILL respond in kind. I will resort to insult.
I don't know what you mean by "a casual fan," but if you're an example, you're right. I am more than a casual fan.
Take a look at the review on rotten tomatoes.com, the link I've included above. Those articles are not written by "real fans," nor are they on the payroll of Netflix. Those pieces are written by reviewers. You will note that their articles express likes and dislikes; but more importantly, they all tell you WHY they like or dislike the show. You see, to do that, one goes into detail. Take a look. You might pick up something you can use instead of the tired, old "on the payroll" line. You might actually get the idea to talk about the show a little. Which is what I do in the part you copied.
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MiketheMechanic
8 years ago
You're protesting way too much! Who's got time to read all that yang yang?
Bottom line, if you're going to get this wordy every time someone disagrees with you, consider changing shows. Maybe there's an opening in Downton Abbey?
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nfaust1
8 years ago
Bottom line, if there are too many words for you to read, don't.
Not that you can read. Calling what I wrote "all that yang yang" and saying I'm "protesting" does not make a whole lot of sense.
I'm not lodging, organizing, or stating a protest. I'm taking what you wrote at face value and responding to it.
I happen to like DOWNTOWN ABBEY. I happen to like all kinds of show and movies and books. And guess what? I can tell you WHY I like them. If I write something on a message board I figure it should be more than just my own value judgement because, who cares about that? A judgment is the least interesting thing about any comment. It's the reasons that bring me to the judgement that will inform others. If I don't share those reasons - just share the judgement - I'm just being pompous, as if my yea or nay actually matters.
Oh my, too many words! This protest, or rather, statement. I know you won't get this far and if you do who knows what show it'll inspire you to suggest next?
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MiketheMechanic
8 years ago
Bottom line, if there are too many words for you to read, don't.
You don't have to worry about that!!
Not that you can read. Calling what I wrote "all that yang yang" and saying I'm "protesting" does not make a whole lot of sense.
Being able to read and being selective in what one chooses to read are two different things.
I'm not lodging, organizing, or stating a protest. I'm taking what you wrote at face value and responding to it.
I happen to like DOWNTOWN ABBEY. I happen to like all kinds of show and movies and books. And guess what? I can tell you WHY I like them. If I write something on a message board I figure it should be more than just my own value judgement because, who cares about that? A judgment is the least interesting thing about any comment. It's the reasons that bring me to the judgement that will inform others. If I don't share those reasons - just share the judgement - I'm just being pompous, as if my yea or nay actually matters.
I'm glad to see that you enjoy Downton Abbey. At the end of the day though, again I state that if you post a comment, judgment, whatever....on a message board, expect to hear opposing positions and don't be so quick to get so defensive.
I've a feeling you're better than that, you're just not showing it.
Oh my, too many words! This protest, or rather, statement. I know you won't get this far and if you do who knows what show it'll inspire you to suggest next?
If
The Get Down can inspire you to be such a wordsmith and if available I wait to hear with bated breath your previously penned review of the classic tv series
M*A*S*H.
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