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Gordo should have simply dealt with his own life


I just finished this movie. My thoughts may upset a lot of people but this is how I feel. Although I don't agree with bullying anyone or telling absurd lies about someone - I think we have to realize this is something (meaning what Simon did) that happened in high school- probably close to 30 years ago. It seemed to me Gordo was blaming his own failures in life on Simon. Well, I'm sorry, but IMO Gordo needed to grow up a bit. I never cared for people that would blame their failures in life on someone else. Not condoning what Simon did - but hey, what 18 year old kid hasn't done something really crappy in life?? My feeling was the one that really deserved to be PO'd was the coworker that Simon lied about. Now if I was that guy - yeah, Id be out for revenge big time. But if Im Gordo, well, if I saw Simon, I might be tempted to smack him around a bit - but to be bothered enough to go out of my way to ruin his life? Over something that happened in high school? No, I dont think so. I think only a loser in life looking to blame someone for their own mistakes would do that. Anyway, thats my take - love to hear others. SHould also add, for whatever its worth, I did like the movie. Didnt blow me away or anything but it was definitely worth a look.

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Bullies are a blight on society and it is never too late to get revenge on them.

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You say that you do not condone what Simon did, but actually you do not care.
Since victims of bullying can "just deal with their own life".

Let me guess: no one should ever blame someone else for stuff they did to them, because we all have 100% free will and everything that happens is only your fault.

Then why do we even prosecute anyone?
If all people - like you seem to think - can just freely mold their thinking, why do we have psychiatrists? Or child protective services?
We should take that all down - it only costs money and we don't need it anyway!

Everyone who is hurt so bad that they can't get up anymore is just a loser.
Refugees, war crime victims, traumatized soldiers, suicides - all just a bunch of losers.

Sorry for my harsh words but the lack of empathy you can see in your post is... astonishing.

Imagine this scenario:
Someone had a car accident.
It takes hours until he is cut out of the car wreck when they finally found him. During the time he was stuck and crying for help he could hear the family dog slowly dying in the trunk.
Both of the guys legs are broken multiple times. Because the healing takes long he looses his job. The surgeries were expensive, too, so now he is in dept. He gets depressed, his wife can't take it anymore and leaves him.
All because some guy got drunk. And there won't even be a prosecution because he is a rich guy and just buys his way out.

I say: what a pussy! I was in a car accident once. Even broke my nose! And I got over it, too!

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To crankily-your comparisons are not even close, not even in the same universe as to what Simon did to Gordo. Simon said he was gay - in high school no less. Thats it, thats all he did. The other ramifications came from Gordo's father. Now, once again, do I condone what Simon did -no I dont. However, I would think two things as a man in his mid 40s (which we know Gordo is by the time he strikes back) - #1 - I cant be bothered with Simon, IM too busy -although I might be tempted to call him a puss or make fun of him just to see if hed react. If he did, Id have free reign to smack him around a bit and #2 - I'm not one that holds 18 year olds completely responsible for their actions. I mean think about it - ru anything like the person you were at 18? I know Im not-as a matter of fact, I felt so bad about the way I had treated some girls at that age that i apologized to them years later. ANyway, getting back to Simon, yes, he calls Gordo gay. Youre comparing that with major car accidents, suicides, traumatized soldiers. Its not even close to being a reasonable comparison.

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Id have free reign to smack him around a bit


Internet tough guys, lol.

But Simon didn't merely call Gordon 'gay'. He started a rumor/lie that Gordon was being molested. It started a chain reaction that really ruined every facet of Gordon's life. And not only did that stuff happen, but the bully who lied about it was hailed as a hero by everyone. Something like that could scar you for life as bad as anything like rape or torture or actual physical abuse. And Gordon wasn't a bid bad internet tough guy so "smacking the bully around" wasn't really a feasible option.

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I highly doubt it ruined every facet of Gordo's life. As far as being hailed a hero by everyone - everyone who hailed SImon as a hero wouldve been either A. Long gone or B. Had completely forgotten why SImon was hailed as a hero in the first place. We are talking about things that happened in high school - close to 30 years ago. Personally, I cannot be bothered with stupid things that happened way back in high school. Im of the same age as Gordo and SImon - I cant even remember 90% of what happened in high school nor do I care. ANd once again, I cant be bothered. ANd certainly, no, I am no internet tough guy, I am someone though that would get a helluva lot more satisfaction facing Simon one on one somewhere as opposed to killing fish and raping his wife. What did the fish do to Gordo? Or the wife? The culprit is Simon - a one on one with him is all thats necessary if your foolish enough (or have so uninteresting of a life) to be bothered with him in the first place.

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That's what he gets for putting the dog in the trunk!!! ;)

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It's a fabricated movie. It's not real. Bullies and those evil corporations. Tired old story line meant to get the gullible all workefup. Laughable.

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Hahahaha. It's a stupid movie. It's made up. Some guy wrote a script meant to jerk your emotions arouND and you act like it is real stuff. Laughable. Gullible.

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I felt that he was giving Simon lots of chances to own his mistakes. Initially it wasn't about the revenge but with Simons continued stubbornness and aggression made Gordons reaction bigger. They eached seemed to goad each other until, like Gordon told him, it was too late.
Also, I find saying "growning up" very insensitive. Abuse can affect people deeply, almost every serial killer you could name was a victim of abuse in some way. They didnt need to grow up, they needed someone to help them with their issues. Just look at veterans with PTSD, do they just need to grow up? No they need help understanding what it is that affects them and how to deal with that in society.

"If God was a villain, he'd be me"

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Thanks for dismissing the pain of others because their flaws and weaknesses don't fit into your extremely narrow worldview of Rambo-esque machismo. And thanks for further stigmatizing mental illness with your pseudo-psychology that says being bullied, beaten, tormented, and psychologically damaged is just cowardice. Over 100 years of research and understanding on the human psyche thrown in the bin because people with mental issues are just trying to blame others for their failures. Gotcha. Thanks again, todd.

Of course, the irony here is I actually agree with you. One should take responsibility for one's failures. Except, you know, when it's actually their own fault. Being beaten by a kid and then having him spread a lie that you are gay which enrages your father so much he tries to burn you to death would, strangely, not be your fault. And the lasting psychological effects of this would, strangely, linger well into your adulthood. But I'm sure you're sitting in an office with a PhD in psychiatry and you can lecture us on what the mental state of a person who's gone through all that should be, yes? He should just pull himself up by the bootstraps and get over it, eh toddy boy? Because that's what real men do, dammit!

For *beep*'s sake.

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Wow, whomever you are (blaug...) - I seriously think you have some issues. Intense anger being one of them. Ive posted hundreds of times on the IMDB. I always welcome and respect anyone's opinion. I respect yours as well - although I do have concerns for your mental health.

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Let me replace some words in your post to illustrate how outrageous what you're saying is.
Pretend that instead of having been bullied by Simon, Gordo was molested by him. And that Gordo was a child at the time.

"Although I don't agree with [molesting] anyone ... I think we have to realize this is something that happened ... probably close to 30 years ago. It seemed to me Gordo was blaming his own failures in life on [being molested]. Well, I'm sorry, but IMO Gordo needed to grow up a bit. I never cared for people that would blame their failures in life on [being molested]. Not condoning what Simon did - but hey, what 18 year old kid hasn't done something really crappy in life?? ... But if Im Gordo, well, if I saw Simon, I might be tempted to smack him around a bit - but to be bothered enough to go out of my way to ruin his life? Over something that happened in [childhood]? No, I dont think so. I think only a loser in life looking to blame someone for their own mistakes would do that."

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To the OP, Gordo attempting to befriend Simon and make amends was his way of dealing with his own life.

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I don't think it's about him blaming on Simon for his failing life. It's about the damage it caused. It was traumatic, his father almost burned for 'being gay'. And that pain, it cannot be healed by time.
Simon had a self condoning view on life, that 'time heals everything'. This is bullcrap. In my country there's a saying: 'One who beats just forget about it, one who's got beaten, does not.'

But it's not only about the damage, it's the aftermath. I mean, it's not understood, at any point, that Gordo stalked Simon, their encounter was really a work of chance. And he kind of...tested him, in order to realize how much of a change happened to that 'former' bully. And he found it was nothing.

His behavior was nasty, arrogant and abusive since the beginning. And that moment in the 'borrowed' living room of that house, when he was - in a very tortuous way - to bee nice, when Simon made fun of his supposed attempt on drawing his wife's attention (which he filmed, only to detect these changes) got the point proven.

So, for those who've never been through bullying or under abusive behavior, it's really hard to understand and easy to misjudge actions such as Gordo's. It was crazy, wrong, mean and manipulative, but it was all coming from a human being in a 'serene pain', like a white noise.


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