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Jerome isn't Joker = Destroyed the show

posted 8 years ago by krism_atl25
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So I am going to make it very simple... As I have read/watched Batman for over 20 years

Joker doesn't show up until AFTER Bruce Wayne goes to Tibet and AFTER he becomes the Dark Knight

Jerome is 10yrs too early!! The writers and producers said over and over again that he wasn't Joker and they killed him off. But no crazy fans can't handle rejection so they stalk every form of media with their demands.

So now we have a "forced" fake character masking around as "Joker" and forcing the timeline.

Bruce Wayne is hardly a teenager and people are forcing him to be something he's not ready for!!

Ohh and yess we get a "3 month" interruption as punishment from the horrible show 24! So that means the veiwing for Gotham will suffer very bad and when it returns we will get only 2 months before the summer. Btw this means Gotham will be cancelled very soon.

We should of had 10 seasons aka 10 years of the show but now we will be lucky if we get 4 or 5 seasons.

All of you Jerome idiots ruined Gotham, Congratulations!!

[–] lockon_stratos 8 years ago

Nope it's good

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[–] bobtis 8 years ago

Making this into a TV show is so much more challenging than making a film. First of all the story has to change much more quickly to keep ratings up, second budget dictates the use of lesser paid actors so season 1 is my favorite so far. I started season 2 today and saw a big fall off is actors. I miss Fish and Falcone etc. So I will watch and see how it unfolds. Many here sound angry about how the show has gone. Also the photography in S1 was just great.

[–] Pull_My-Finger 8 years ago

OMG! NO! MY BRAIN CAN'T HANDLE A NEW INTERPRETATION ON THE ORIGINS OF A FICTIONAL CHARACTER! I THINK I'M MELTING! WHAT A WORLD! WHAT A WORLD!

[–] apriloish 8 years ago

That was a good one dude

[–] rickfoleycell 8 years ago

A fan for over twenty years holy cow it's another new Batman fan. I have been watching and reading Batman for over 50 years and this is just yet another interpretation of the existing ever-changing story. Just because it doesn't fit with the interpretation you like does not make it any less valid.

[–] hnt_dnl 8 years ago

This simply doesn't matter when the actor is playing the role so exceptionally. Jerome is easily one of the best things about the series. So people would NOT rather have another great villain just because of some "canon" stuff when this series is it's own entity?

[–] thorney33 8 years ago

Gotham is an interpretation and can do whatever it wants with the characters.

It isn't difficult to understand.

[–] maxthepupp 8 years ago

Yeah I LOVE this show.
It has taken qualities from ALL the different versions of Batman and pulled it off...without Batman. Pretty good trick if you ask me..!

[–] songod-95003 8 years ago

In many respects it is best to view this show as an alternate timeline. Just like the other DC shows on air have zero to do with their cinematic universe (running at the same time - our present) "Gotham" does not have anything to do with previous canon or what is going on in the Cinemaverse.

We're seeing all of the villains ages before they ought to show up... Penguin, Mr. Freeze, Riddler, Mad Hatter... the only one age appropriate for the story as we know it is Selina\Catwoman. Yet even there the relationship with Bruce is uncharted territory. There has been no indication previously (that I know of) that Wayne and Kyle knew each other as kids.

So this is all new stuff. Watch it as such and hang the canon at the door; otherwise you'll be hating on it more and more.

[–] honeycomb2 8 years ago

Nah, the reason this show is brilliant is they have just gone with their own interpretation. They haven't played it safe at all.

Getting rid of Fish Mooney was the other brilliant idea. She was holding it back.

[–] songod-95003 8 years ago

And now that the actor playing Jerome is full on channeling Jack Nicholson's Joker I am glad he's out of the picture... for a while anyway.

No doubt the actor was told to play it up ala Nicholson. Just as Smith was probably told to channel Eartha Kitt. Good thing no one told Camren to channel Julie Newmar!

[–] Steefnesss 8 years ago

This show doesn't follow the cannon at all. It's all over the board. The thing that gets me the most about it is Barbara Dean. Why would Gordon EVER name his daughter after her after all they've been through.

I don't really like Jerome, it seems like he's doing his best Heath Ledger impersonation, and it's not nearly as good. I love him as Ian in Shameless, but I just can't stand him on Gotham.

Take your flunky and dangle.

[–] christoffersen366 8 years ago

Well Ledger did combine Nicholson's and Romero's version, and Monaghan (Jerome) seems more inspired by Nicholson and Hamill to me. But I really like his version.

[–] Steefnesss 8 years ago

His laugh is weak. That's the trademark of the character. Do what you will with the back story, adapt it how you want, but you need to keep the essence of the character in place, and the laugh is part of it. It's supposed to be his haunting war drums, striking fear into the hearts of his enemies. Jerome's laugh is just weak.

Take your flunky and dangle.

[–] Pumpyjones 8 years ago

My theory is that Barbara is going to save the baby's life (regardless of if she's adorpted or is newborn and hadn't been named yet) and will die in the process. It will be her one redeeming act and Jim's way of honoring that.

[–] Steefnesss 8 years ago

I'd buy that. Adoption seems more likely as well, since what woman would want her child named after the fathers ex, not to mention a crazy ex.

Take your flunky and dangle.

[–] Jovay-AU 8 years ago

@Steefnesss

Jim Gordon doesn't need to name his daughter Barbara, that is only one part of the ever changing canon in Batman, made that way in 1967 for the 1960's TV Series when Barbara made her first appearance (prior to that Batgirl was Betty/Bette Kane 1961-64). In the Batman and Robin film (1997), Barbara was Alfred's niece (Barbara Wilson), also from 1985 until the New 52/Rebirth in 2011, Barbara was the adopted daughter of James Gordon, she was the daughter of his brother Roger and Roger's wife Thelma.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/roger-gordon/4005-81804

Barbara Gordon's Origin:

In in the Post-Crisis on Infinite Earths DC Universe, Barbara Gordon was no longer James Gordon's biological daughter, but instead his niece and eventually his adoptive daughter. Roger and Thelma Gordon were Barbara's parents. When Barbara was young, Roger's wife Thelma died in a car accident. After the passing of his wife, Roger began to drink heavily, and would eventually die during an operation caused by complications of alcoholism. After her father's death, Barbara moved in with James, and was eventually adopted by him and his wife.

So adoption is already one part of Batman canon, so yeah Gotham could go that route either there own way or close to original.

[–] pizzabagel 8 years ago

So how do you REALLY feel? Please stop beating around the bush.

They were pretty rough, but they had something.
What was it?
I think it was the trousers.

[–] Just_Jimmy 8 years ago

A fan for over twenty years holy cow it's another new Batman fan. I have been watching and reading Batman for over 50 years and this is just yet another interpretation of the existing ever-changing story. Just because it doesn't fit with the interpretation you like does not make it any less valid.

Rick Foley, i don't think anyone could've said it better. Well played.

[–] Crown_22 8 years ago

I like this version of Joker, he's like a mix of Ledger's and Hamill's.

[–] OingoBoingo91 8 years ago

I like this version of Joker, he's like a mix of Ledger's and Hamill's.

Agreed, but I think there's a bit of Nicholson in there too, Cameron Monaghan is so awesome.

I am vengeance. I am the night. I am Batman!

[–] Steefnesss 8 years ago

I don't see Hamill at all in this one. I see a mesh of Nicholson and Ledger, with an unimpressive laugh.

Take your flunky and dangle.

[–] jordstaman89 8 years ago

Well said. They do weird things with characters in the comics. I really enjoy the show.

[–] Zingbot_9000 8 years ago

Gotham is an interpretation and can do whatever it wants with the characters.

So glad most people accept this. Who cares if his time table is different than the comic books. The comics have done so many things wrong: killing Alfred (bringing him back as someone evil) and how many robins have they had. The comics screw up people. Everything they have done is not perfect.

...............ZING!