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The ending was completely unexpected and doesn't fit with the comic tone present in much of the movie. I didn't see a point in killing off EVERY single character. There was no reason why Jyn and Cassian couldn't have escaped at the end the way they escaped the desert planet.
So they complete their mission only to have the Death Star arrive and kill them?
They could have gone a different path, as they originally had planned.
But I think it's a most excellent story of self sacrifice for the greater good. Not unusual in a war setting when you think about the thousands of soldiers and civilians who die every day for a cause they believe in.
And then it's the obvious complaining that would occour if they had lived, about them not appearing in the original trilogy etc. And as much as I hate seeing heroes of movies die, their deaths give A New Hope a whole new emotional depth that wasn't there before.
So all in all, I think they did the right choice.
I agree with you.
shareTheir beliefs and their struggle against the Empire to restore hope to the galaxy was worth sacrificing their own lives.
That's the point to the ending.
How could anyone miss that?
1. The series is called "Star WARS". War is not pretty. People die.
2. Rogue one is the prequel to the original trilogy, which begins in a rather dark place with the Empire burning off people's flesh and blowing up planets for petty reasons, while the alliance is a puny group of about 30 star pilots. Rogue one shows us why the rebel alliance is so small.
3. the happy ending comes later, when the war ends in Return of the Jedi. Rogue one only served to enhance that happy ending, as it shows the alliance being able to destroy the death star brought hope back to the galaxy and thus helped them get more people to rally around their cause. (in fact, I'm actually considering referring to "Star Wars" as "A New Hope" again in light of Rogue One, not the "prequels")
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The "Civil War" in the Marvel movie is referring to the rift that forms between The Avengers, it wasn't a full scale war.
Star Wars is a full scaled war.
also, Captain America: Winter Soldier was pretty damn brutal.
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1. While it's titled Star Wars, it's never been really much of a "war movie" franchise. It's an adventure serial. I'm not saying that a mature war film can't be worked into Star Wars, but the title doesn't belie the tone of the series.
3. Unless you count the new films, in which case the ending of Return of the Jedi is a false positive. Han Solo leaves Leia (and loses the Falcon...somehow...), the New Republic never cements their government and fails to contain the remnants of the Empire, the ashes of the Empire blast that Republic into dust, Luke loses hope and faith and runs away - a broken coward, Leia is back to leading rebels because she couldn't hack it as a politician, and...yeah...original trilogy's ending is wasted and a non-starter.
****, I hate the backstory they wrote for The Force Awakens.
I agree. I didn't even look for spoilers when seeing Force awakens or The Last Jedi, but I didn't like those things either. But then again I was never asking for an episode 7, 8, and 9 anyway. Frankly if I had it my way, George Lucas would've produced them back in the 80s right after Return of the Jedi so that all my favorite characters would get the focus. Though that is a problem with doing a sequel to a popular older movie series. Since all the actors are old you now have to put less focus on the popular characters from the past movies and put new characters in to the franchise to take up their mantle. Then you end up doing things with the older popular characters and it makes longtime fans angry.
I do agree with people that Rey as a character is kind of stupid since she was able to use the force well without anyone giving her any kind of instruction or training. At least with Luke in the original movie Obi Wan was able to give him a few lessons on the force on their way to Alderon but with Rey she just uses the force without anyone training her. I've already been spoiled of the reveal in the latest movie which I've decided I won't see of Rey being Palpatine's daughter. Which doesn't even make her ability to use the force without training seem justified. I also wish they'd done what was rumored they'd do with Obi Wan being her relative.
I haven't seen the new film, either, although I plan to so I thank you for your black barring of spoilers.
I don't mind so much that the new franchise had new characters. I didn't even really mind that Rey could wield the Force so easily. She does feel a bit like a "cheat character", but I didn't really care. TFA is fun for what it is, so it didn't bug me too much. I also like Finn. I love coward characters (like Rincewind in Discworld) so having a coward be at the heart of a Star Wars movie was interesting.
My main objections with that movie are what they did to the old characters and the old ending. There had to be a way to build on the ending of Return of the Jedi without invalidating it. A "here we go again" kind of thing instead of "well, that didn't work..." It reset all the progress, not just politically, but personally by making Han abandon his friends. He grew out of that mercenary mindset in the first Star Wars. For instance.
I also recognise that the movie just follows the first film beat for beat and lacks a lot of originality. That's a problem, but not as bad because the movie in and of itself is fun. Like, if TFA were the first ever Star Wars, I think we'd all like it a lot more. This is why I prefer VII to I, II, or III - those films had wandering plots and bland characters and when I picture them being the first film of the franchise, I feel like it would've gained a cult following for "that weird sci-fi movie with the laser swords", but I don't think it would've inspired the same religious fervor that the original film did.
Rincewind is a fantastic character, but his relationship with The Luggage is what really makes the character, in my opinion. There's just something so deliciously ironic about it, if you know what I mean.
shareALso, I agree with everything you say about TFA.
shareIf it didn't end that way, people would be bitching about it being too "Disneyfied" or something.
shareThere was no reason why Jyn and Cassian couldn't have escaped at the end the way they escaped the desert planet.
I didn't see a point in killing off EVERY single character.
I thought the point of this ending was that they did send the Death Star plans out and Princess Leia received them, and that allowed Luke Skywalker to destroy the Death Star in A New Hope.
Yes its a "war movie" but even Saving Private Ryan kept one guy from that platoon alive at the end. So this movie ends in a worse massacre of the main heroes than even one of the most legendary war movies ever made. Also the tone in most of this film is rather light so the dark ending makes even less sense.
The dominant tone of the film is not light, it's dark. There is some light tone infused, but nowhere near enough to balance out the film's dark tone.
shareI thought the point of this ending was that they did send the Death Star plans out and Princess Leia received them, and that allowed Luke Skywalker to destroy the Death Star in A New Hope.
Also the tone in most of this film is rather light
Exactly. Hamlet has more laughs.
shareThis movie is the best example of getting a story right. Everyone had to die, otherwise it makes no sense why we never hear of them again.
I’m usually the first to complain but there isn’t much to complain about in this movie. IMHO.
doesn't fit with the comic tone present in much of the movie
So they complete their mission only to have the Death Star arrive and kill them?
Yeah one might as well say Han's death in TFA is out of tone with all those cute Rey/Finn moments throughout most of TFA. Oh wait, TFA starts with a classic Imperial massacre, and R1 starts with the death of the hero's mom.
shareYes...... I completely agree with you! They could've easily made a sequel to Rogue One by having both Jyn + Cassian SURVIVE at the end and continue in a sequel and have them become strong lovers! At the rebel alliance rendezvous in deep space in Return of the Jedi, Mon Montha says about the new death star "MANY BOTHAMS DIED TO GIVE US THIS CRITICAL INFORMATION"~ boom!!!!!!! There it is...... Gyn and Cassian help the bothams steal the plans of the new death star....... Kathleen Kennedy blew a huge opportunity to a great romance inspired sequel!!!!
shareKennedy tried to ruin the movie by having Jyn single handedly do everything by herself at the end. But test audiences laughed at how stupid it was so they quickly reshot a heap of scenes and rescued the film in the end.
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