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The endless capacity of Kevin's stupidity

posted 9 years ago by StorkX
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I love the actor, but boy, the way Kevin's character is written . . . It nearly borders on poor writing, because it's so hard to believe that any one character could be such a ceaseless font of stupidity. From keeping the coke to selling it; giving it back to Lowry, thinking that they'd all be square after; to insisting giving up the whole story to Marco; then killing him. It's just not realistic that someone can be so consistently stupid and still be alive.

Same with Meg—it really seemed out of character to have her suddenly turn on John.

John is right about the both of them. To hell with 'em.

You have to blame the father, Robert, here, for how F'ed up they all are—but I think Beau Bridges's character will be the ultimate villain (he will be found to have tainted Robert somehow, which leads to the whole mess, I think).

But really, the whole family needs a Jaws attack.

[–] duffasaurus 9 years ago

It's funny because just when you think you can trace it all back to being one person's fault it turns out that another person was involved. Honestly the real problem is that there's so many awful people living on a tiny island, everyone except the kids is a horrible person.

[–] eileen-guthrie555 9 years ago

It's never just one person or one incident. He's weak, bullied, abused probably by his siblings and father. But, the psychological damaged started long before Sally and Robert met. Robert's father was a cruel, mean, abusive man who shouldn't have procreated another human being. He knew that his father was an abusive misogynist and most likely an alcoholic who ruled his domain with his fist. That left a huge impression on Robert and why he left, he was a psychological damaged psyche. He could have fought against the same anger issues that his own father had, but he made the choice to continue the same pattern.

I'm half way through season 2 and I'm still trying to find out when he started to abuse Danny. Was it before Sarah's death or after? It's obvious that Sarah was his favorite child, but could Robert have been sexually abused her? I'm sensing something odd about that relationship and why Sally wanted to run. Did she find out and is that why she pushed Sarah away? Does anyone have any ideas? Anyone else seeing the unusual dynamic part of this strange and emotionally damaged family? Everything they do is emotional. Was Danny also sexually abused?

Kevin is very emotional, impulsive, quick to anger, acts but doesn't think. When the stress and pressure gets to him, he'll folded like an origami, then starts the self abuse of drinking and doing drugs. But, his personality shows some of the signs of sexual abuse, same with Danny. I guess I'm having a hard time believing all of Danny's rage, anger, hatred and out for revenge for his family is all because of the beating he received after Sarah died and that the family lied about it. There has to be more to it. Netflix doesn't have the same restrictions that network and cable television have and they could go down this path of child sexual abuse at the hands of a parent.

[–] pfarnell 9 years ago

I guess I'm having a hard time believing all of Danny's rage, anger, hatred and out for revenge for his family is all because of the beating he received after Sarah died and that the family lied about it.

I agree that the big vaunted arm-breaking by Daddy and cover-up event Danny suffered does not explain by itself his descent into total oblivion..but , of course, he was also being blamed for sister's death, in circumstances which I at about 2/3 way through S1, have still not had clarified what his culpability in sister's death was.

[–] eileen-guthrie555 9 years ago

For about a year I worked helping abused women and children and have seen the signs of childhood sexual, physical, verbal and emotional abuse. I'm basing my knowledge on my past experiences on these characters. And, every bone in my body tells me it's bad, really bad what happened to these characters as both children and adults. What their father did and why the mother seemed to want to bury her head in the sand. I actually feel sorry for these characters, who most likely grew up in this horrible environment. They all have very serious mental health issues. I see Megan wanting to replace Sarah in her father's eyes, heart and was rejected.

I agree that the big vaunted arm-breaking by Daddy and cover-up event Danny suffered does not explain by itself his descent into total oblivion..but , of course, he was also being blamed for sister's death, in circumstances which I at about 2/3 way through S1, have still not had clarified what his culpability in sister's death was.

All we've actually been told and shown to us was Danny took the boat without permission and without adult supervision. John told him he couldn't and did it anyway. While out in the Ocean, Sarah's necklace falls off and she goes into the ocean to retrieve it, Danny goes in too. The necklace goes between two rocks and Sarah's hand gets stuck. Danny tries to loosen her hand and is unable to do so. We don't know if he was able to release her hand or if her body was recovered. (unless that's shown later in s2). That's what I got from this tragic incident/accident. I don't think or believe he set out to kill his sister, it was an accident. If it was me, I would have told her it can be replaced, it's just a thing, a piece of property. Clearly, Danny had remorse otherwise he wouldn't be talking to his dead sister. But, murder, intentionally harming her, I just don't see it. It was an accident.

[–] ssned5 9 years ago

Kevin is definitely cringe-worthy in his naivete and all-around clueless, self-centered, childish ways.

[–] catbookss 9 years ago

LOL! I had the same reaction with Kevin. Really? You're so stupid that you believe giving what's left of Lowry's coke to the drug lord would make everything okay? Good grief. We knew Kevin was a hothead and not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but this went beyond what we'd been shown.

Yeah, definitely Gilbert is the top villain. … So far.

[–] palzo33 9 years ago

My thoughts exactly. Spot on post. Was selling this series to someone by making the case for realism and consistent characters and then this finale...they lost me with all the points you made so well.

[–] plumlogan 9 years ago

Season 1 was a red flag - nothing I've read makes me think I've missed it by not watching season 2

[–] I_Created_U 8 years ago

Dude, believe me, season 2 is nothing like season 1. I watched the first season last year and was incredibly annoyed and bored pretty much the whole time except for the last 2 episodes that picked up in pace; i eventually settled for a 5.

But for some reason the show stayed with me, i found it to have a wasted potential, but a potential nonetheless and my curiosity was picked when i saw the second season was out and decided to watch it. Boy is this season much better than the previous one! Grit, complexity, tension, richer plot, twists, powerful altercations, compelling dialog, this season has it all. Almost every single scene is useful and furthers the plot in some way, not like the first season and its endless rambling and succession of tiresome tirades about past and present family melodrama. Second season really picked up the pace and the whole undertone of the show noticeably drifted from the drama realm into the thriller realm. It's not about a family tragedy anymore, but about a familial criminal enterprise trying to cover up its crimes. And it's for the better if you ask me. This season is just top notch.

That being said, i have to say in hindsight that season 2 wouldn't have been that good if they hadn't taken the time of setting the scene, thoroughly presenting the characters and creating a believable universe during whole season 1. Now that i have seen the second one, everything makes more sense and i see the first one in a more positive light, which wouldn't have been the case if season 2 had greatly disappointed.

My advice is, give second season a try, it is really worth it, much more intense than season 1. Now the show gets an 8 from me instead of a 5. I even recommend it to friends.

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[–] plumlogan 8 years ago

Thanks for taking the time to deliver a thoughtful response - I'll give a couple episodes a shot - after I finish Stranger Things and Bojack S3

[–] philfeeley 8 years ago

I've only seen up to S01E04 so far and haven't seen any indication of a "familial criminal enterprise". They're going to have to present more of it if they want S02 to be believable.

Each episode so far has ended with a snippet of memory, either of the past or the future. It's going so slow I miss any connection, and can't figure out what's going on. Is there a synopsis of S01 somewhere?

[–] Stirchley 8 years ago

I almost bailed out several times in season 1. One of the slowest-moving shows ever. Wasn't till at least episode 5 that I was hooked. Loved season 2 & looking forward to the final season.

[–] plumlogan 9 years ago

It borders on bad writing like Toronto borders on Canada

[–] Mossap 9 years ago

Ya them both turning on John and Kevin killing the guy seemed a bit forced and out of character for both of them.

[–] apophianstudios 9 years ago

It's not bad writing. There are really people that stupid, lot's of them.

[–] Boricanator (1447) 4 years ago

I was going to say the same thing, lol.

There are really stupid people like Kevin. The thing is that Kevin gets away with many things due to his family connections. If it wasn’t for that, he would be constantly going in and out of jail.

[–] bradnorton 9 years ago

The finale felt very jump the shark-y..

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