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Any one else find....?


Maybe I am wrong as I have not lived through this and I hope I never have to quite honestly.

Did it seem to anyone that the husband was quite selfish? (again please don't all engage in flame wars) I am just curious, I mean the woman spent got knows how many years married to this man and he could not even give her one year? I understand It hurts to watch someone you love basically vanish, but I think that he could at least have done that considering? Also he then leaves her to take a job? I understand life goes on but this is something that will happen once to him in his life. I mean this is his wife the supposed love of his life and yeah we see a scene where he cries, but I mean it seemed like he was fed up with her? Anyway I digress, I just couldn't imagine doing that to someone.

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I agree that he was quite selfish and its shocking to see such an attitude of a husband to his wife but I find that its a common trait of very smart people who have PHD's and stuff (including my grandfather).

They are not able to see the human factor in people because everything is calculated by science and can be explained by science to them. Example was when both of them went to see the doctor and how Alec was counter arguing with the doctor on a possibility that its not Alzheimer's.

So to him getting his new job far away is calculated by the monetary reward that will be necessary to help with his wife. I can guarantee that even if he would have quit his job a moved to the county side, where rent is cheap.

But the overall portrayal is quite realistic and its not uncommon, unfortunately.

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I don't think his taking the job was about money to take care of his wife. It was a great opportunity of working for the Mayo Clinic, very prestigious and fulfilling for his career. He was tired of being around Alice but did want her to come with him.

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If I ever get sick I don't want my husband to take any other decision.

The last good year is important and certainly any sensible employer would have a place waiting for him if he wanted a sabbatical year, but it would not be the same place.

She decided not to follow him, she would not leave her job if they were in reversed positions, she was upset for a while, but if he made this kind of sacrifice he would not provide for her maintenance or her daughter's.

The only reason she could have a full time unemployed companion was her full time working husband. Someone had to take this responsibility and no other had the income for it.

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Re. the Mayo offer: Alice was the "selfish" one. She wanted to stay in New York,even though her career was over and the move would boost her husband's career and provide much needed funds for her care. John explains that he is not entitled to a sabbatical. Of course, we can't blame Alice because of her condition, but John was a supportive husband. Baldwin gives a solid performance as this stolid character.

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Alice is not selfish for wanting to stay in a place that's familiar to her when her memory is failing.

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Another point not mentioned here was his research work with another deadly disease - cancer. Mayo Clinic opened up doors to further explore his research work. I think most spouses would reach that point where they feel their presence would not make a difference one way or another. This was a huge opportunity for him.

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While I feel he is selfish, until you are in the position it's not fair to claim you'd act differently.

I've watched several couples close to me (grandparents and in-laws) struggle with dementia or a crippling disease. While none of the spouses went to this level of leaving - it's exhausting to live through. They each lost touch with their friends because they didn't have time or ability to do things, family stayed away and life in general was focused solely on the person around the clock.

Friend of mine's dad had a disease that lasted 20+ years and in the last 5 he was very limited physically and in the end limited mentally. It shocked the sons who lived out of town when he died that she declared she was happy he died. The daughters who were there daily completely understood. It took her entire life just to survive.

Friend of mine's mom was diagnosed with Alzheimer's in 2001 and died last month near Xmas. While she had been in a home the last 2 years - it still overcame the entire family.

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I didn't find the husband selfish, he said clearly they need money now more than ever (although to me seemed keeping such big house with high maintenance for 2 people like completely unnecessary luxury especially in this situation, but maybe it's normal in US), so yes while leaving work would be nice from emotional standpoint it is not rational from long term perspective, I guess he needs lots of money to take care about her at home as long as possible (despite she won't be very aware of it) or in some good quality home.

I don't see him selfish when he is scared at home where is she because she doesn't want to have fanny bag to carry mobile, he seemed quite supportive to me.

Plus now he has once in lifetime opportunity for his career and also to gain more money without her income, but in the end decides not to take it.

I would say everyone would deal with this situation in his own way and you can't say which one is good or bad, it's just different and we can't really judge him not being in his shoes.

For me it seemed personally they could just sell the huge house and move to much smaller apartment and he could take some time off to be with her while she is still being herself, but dunno what would happen then, I am not that familiar with US healthcare/insurance.

Peter Markoff
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I agree.

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A monster no scared yes.

How do yo deal with slowly loosing the one you love?

People react differently and he didn't want to face it directly because it was too scary.
I personal didn't want to see this film because its hitting way to close to home.

Seen a neurologist myself recently and iam apparently showing signs of early onset Parkinson.
Iam having increasing memory issues so watching this is frightening.

That said i can understand the horror of watching it happening from both her side and his and the inablty to do anything to help the one you love so much.

Us guys are really good at compartmentalizing and refusing to look to closely or we do what he did in the end and cry.

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Since there is no cure for Parkinson, I wish your symptoms may be delayed for as long as necessary for the achieving of new breakthroughs.

Crying is a blessing, otherwise anger takes control. That's the way i see it, so I hope you have someone close, who you really trust to let your sorrows go for a while.




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"Doing that to someone"? Doing what?

No, he can't take off a year from work. Alice was thinking that, like in her profession, he could take a year off as a sabatical. It doesn't work that way in his field. To take a year off means you quit your job.

Especially with her illness, they needed a steady income because of the expenses. Alice was going to need lifelong care.

This is how it is. Practicalities. She was lucky she had a husband and kids to take care of her. Think of all the unmarried people who get Alz. There is no one to look after their interests.

He was not fed up with her at all. He was sad because he had lost his wife. She was no longer Alice, really. Just her body was Alice's. In all other respects, she was not. Alice was dead. She did not know who he was.

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I agree with you that money is an important factor. She earned lots of money and so did he, the moment she gets ill everything changes. He can't count on her income anymore and, to aggravate matters, she is an unexpected expense for an unknown period.

I think differently about her not being Alice anymore, I think she just returned to her infancy locked inside an adult body.

Since her profession was mentally demanding and her whole life was devoted to be an intellectual over-achiever her daughter's artistic choices just sounded low-profile, lack of ambition or laziness. The moment she befriends her daughter is when she realizes that is just unfair conditioning your admiration for someone you love on her capacity of level your QI rates. She only forgives her daughter for not working the kind of intelligence she matters when she loses her own and has to find new forms of intelligence.

Her daughter was emotionally intelligent because she showed persistence, solidarity, high self-esteem. It was a constant source of deception for her as a mother, up to the moment that becomes all she can count on to define herself.

The irony is that she will become even less smart than her dumbest relative.

The beauty is that she learns to value people the way they are. Her daughter has learnt to live on the shadow of the fantastic mind she used to have, and so does Alice.

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Agree with u. Also feel the movie is a tad overrated.

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I think in this story, the easy way would have been to portray the husband as someone who easily accepted his wife's diagnosis and then selflessly spent the rest of his life patiently caring for her. Real life just isn't like that. They were a relatively young couple to be dealing with this horrible disease. Financially, they needed an income..especially as Alice's care needs increased. Dealing day in day out with someone with memory issues is frustrating and, although you know it isn't their fault, it completely changes the relationship you have with them. I think another frustration for her husband was that, as educated as they both were, there was nothing they could do to stop what was happening. The documentary "The Genius of Marian" gives a true insight of a family living with alzheimer's.

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I did not feel that about the sabbatical. He is presented a lot of times working, speaking about it with Alice. He is presented like Alice: people who thrive on their work. To take a sabbatical would be to loose other fundamental piece of his identity. Alice was obliged to do it. John is loosing Alice. Why compound his loss? I would feel selfish myself if I thought he had to do that. But I thought like you when he wanted to move away.

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