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Serioulsy-- why does it make men mad if a woman weighs more than 125lbs?

posted 9 years ago by Jupiter555555
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This is a genuine question. I've encountered it many times (online only), and I want to know why.

Is it because men think we owe it to them to look a certain way for them? And if we drop the ball, we're somehow disrespecting them personally?

Is it transference from some deeply lamented physical flaw that they have and they want to make sure others feel the same pain relating to insecurity? Or like a, "how dare YOU not be consumed with the obsession to look a certain way that I am? How dare you be that carefree!" I mean..I'm at a loss here, what is it?

Or maybe it's women masked as men who are like, "I worked so hard to get down to 118, now if bigger women start becoming acceptable, it was all a waste!" Because honestly I don't encounter this anti-chubby sentiment in real life, only online. I say anti-chubby because really the weight they're targeting doesn't even rise to the level of obesity.

I can understand morbidly obese people being a drain on economics, if it is or was at one point within their control to prevent..that could elicit some political anger..but 145-180 just isn't that big of a deal. Why the hostility and range????

---- Edit: 9 months after original post-----
I believe I've solved the puzzle. Often the word "lazy" comes up which is weird... why do you care if someone else is lazy when it isn't affecting you? Well, what they mean is, "If you wanted to change your appearance and be what I want you to be, you would! The fact that you're not doing it means you don't care about my assessment of your body!!" And there lays the problem: When women defiantly continue to eat and maintain a bigger weight that some men find unacceptable, it is a reminder of their insignificance. These women don't care what these men think or say about them..and they take issue with that.

I also think it has to do with guys who are maybe shorter or social recluses who feel they don't have the pick of the litter when it comes to dating... so they feel they can bully their options into becoming skinnier (not considering the fact that if they were skinnier, they'd probably diet and exercise their way right out of the guy's league.)

Thanks for a rousing debate, everyone! I'm sure it'll continue for years to come... 

[–] NoseofNicko 9 years ago

The opposite for me. I prefer women who weigh over 125lbs.

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[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

Because women who are over 125lbs tend to be fat, and women 125 or less tend to have better figures. Sadly, today's feminist influenced, pro-fat world is increasingly trying to make it "normal" for women to be chubby with no consequence. The loudest, most obscene women tend to be on the chubby side and they always walk around as if they're special and owe nothing to nobody. It has really gone to their heads.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

Because women who are over 125lbs tend to be fat, and women 125 or less tend to have better figures

Obviously this is your opinion and a reason for you personally to not be attracted to them. It is not a reason for them to make you angry-which was my question.

Sadly, today's feminist influenced, pro-fat world is increasingly trying to make it "normal" for women to be chubby

Feminism isn't making it normal for women to be chubby. Women ARE normally "chubby" by your definition, due to extenuating circumstances such as a certain percentage of a woman's body being devoted to reproduction, whether she makes use of that ability or not. That's not an excuse, it's a fact. The women you're influenced by--what you see on TV and in movies, often have a hard time getting pregnant. They're on juicing diets and such which are causing them to weigh less than nature intended, which is fine--but not "normal."

with no consequence.

lmao at you thinking there should be "consequences" for women weighing something you consider unacceptable. Reflect on that a minute. Your audacity is hysterical 

The loudest, most obscene women tend to be on the chubby side and they always walk around as if they're special and owe nothing to nobody. It has really gone to their heads.

What's the definition of prejudice? Assigning a vastly generalized stigma to a group of people based on your tendency to observe something specific from what could only account for a mere fraction of the whole. But ok.

Again I give you credit for actually answering my question...but just as I suspected, the reasoning is stupid.

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder over men who actually want women to look attractive and healthy as opposed to slobs. I mean it's not like women don't want men who have nice pecs/abs/butt/everything else fit. Lets not be hypocrites here.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder over men who actually want women to look attractive and healthy as opposed to slobs.

I've said at least 20 times I understand being attracted to one body type over another. But I don't understand why it's a source of hostility and anger for some men if women let themselves go. We don't owe it to you to look a certain way, you know.

I mean it's not like women don't want men who have nice pecs/abs/butt/everything else fit. Lets not be hypocrites here.

Absolutely. That is true. Women are shallow too. But here's he difference: we ignore men who do not meet our standards. We don't bully and berate them, online or otherwise. That's the mystery to me. Why come on Amy's board and insult her to smithereens along with any of her female defenders, who you've never seen but you're imagining to me of a similar or worse body type. That's something that women actually don't do to men they're not attracted to.

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

Absolutely. That is true. Women are shallow too. But here's he difference: we ignore men who do not meet our standards. We don't bully and berate them, online or otherwise. That's the mystery to me. Why come on Amy's board and insult her to smithereens along with any of her female defenders, who you've never seen but you're imagining to me of a similar or worse body type.

Probably because women like Schumer are constantly being forced on the public as your everyday "average" women and they're trying to push men into accepting them as such. The male equivalents of Schumer are treated as jokes and are never talked about as if they're supposed to be a positive influence on men. It's all about trying to sway men into accepting something they don't find appealing just because it would make things easier for women. Most reasonable men aren't going to like that, which is understandable. It's much easier for women to ignore (ha!) men they don't like than vice versa. There's always an agenda behind women like Schumer getting a push, and that's what makes men angry as you put it.

That's also why people assume her female defenders have a similar or worse body type. A woman with a good body isn't going to be offended or upset if a guy berates someone like Schumer.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

Probably because women like Schumer are constantly being forced on the public as your everyday "average" women and they're trying to push men into accepting them as such

Well here's the thing. In the words of gay people of the 80's who said "we're queer and we're here," minus the rhyming scheme: We're fat and we're here. Deal.

The male equivalents of Schumer are treated as jokes and are never talked about as if they're supposed to be a positive influence on men.

No, for the most part their weight isn't referenced at all until they reach a BMI of at least 5-6 points higher than that of Schumer's. Until then, their weight is irrelevant. Women would love to have that kind of acceptance. We don't want to tell you constantly that our weight is fine: we want to not talk about it at all. You're the ones who insist on discussing it.

It's all about trying to sway men into accepting something they don't find appealing just because it would make things easier for women.

Alright, Skippy. Here's the deal. This is what a lot of women look like. You don't have to sleep with us. But to think you have a right to bully us into looking a certain way for you is just weird.

For our part, there are still several men who are interested in sleeping with us. We also have vibrators, liberation and sperm banks. We don't need you for sexual gratification, financial sustenance or even reproduction. That's right. Men have sold their sperm and these sperm banks are stocked to the rafters with future babies. Then we have our friends for companionship. Essentially women don't need a man in their lives for anything. Men on the other hand would have a much harder time simulating sex with a woman's body and an even more difficult time having a kid without a woman to at least serve as a surrogate (a much bigger deal than buying some man juice.)

So you either accept us as we are...or become a very withdrawn, angry online ranter who frankly sounds like all these mass shooters just before they go off the rails.

Most reasonable men aren't going to like that, which is understandable.

Not accepting women as an example of what you find attractive is one thing; bullying them for it is another 

It's much easier for women to ignore (ha!) men they don't like than vice versa.

This doesn't make sense... I see Seth Rogen and Adam Sandler constantly but I don't go rant about how they're not attractive. And honestly I do hear annoying things in the media about how "he's the lovable every man that you are just so attracted to" even though he's fat and ugly. Yeah I role my eyes but again it doesn't send me into a rage where I go around verbally abusing them and all men who look like them and all men who defend them...like I just don't.

There's always an agenda behind women like Schumer getting a push, and that's what makes men angry as you put it.

This is largely your perception. The woman is just trying to do her comedy and wouldn't have to respond to pressure about her weight if society didn't constantly bring it up.

A woman with a good body isn't going to be offended or upset if a guy berates someone like Schumer.

Wow. You must live in a really sad world where no one ever defends someone who is different from themselves. I'm sure there are fit women who think bullying and body shaming are wrong, and that your anger is irrational and unjustifiable. It must be a sad existence to live in a place where people allow bullying to go on as long as it isn't directed at them.

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

Well here's the thing. In the words of gay people of the 80's who said "we're queer and we're here," minus the rhyming scheme: We're fat and we're here. Deal.

So...you don't like when the guys here automatically assume her defenders have equally bad/worse body types, yet you now say "we're fat and we're here" ? Are they getting something wrong?

For our part, there are still several men who are interested in sleeping with us. We also have vibrators, liberation and sperm banks. We don't need you for sexual gratification, financial sustenance or even reproduction. That's right. Men have sold their sperm and these sperm banks are stocked to the rafters with future babies. Then we have our friends for companionship. Essentially women don't need a man in their lives for anything. Men on the other hand would have a much harder time simulating sex with a woman's body and an even more difficult time having a kid without a woman to at least serve as a surrogate (a much bigger deal than buying some man juice.)

What we have here is a little rant devaluing men, insisting they aren't needed, and you're calling us the angry ones? With an attitude like that you should consider yourself lucky if several men are still interested. The only thing women have on us is the ability to have children, which is no real loss for us. If you want to go through the torture of pregnancy, by all means go ahead. As for sexual gratification, well you realise men can play with themselves too, right? They can also orgasm easier than women. My my, you could even say men don't need women! How bout that?

So you either accept us as we are...

There's something very ironic about a woman giving men the ultimatum to accept them as they are...

or become a very withdrawn, angry online ranter who frankly sounds like all these mass shooters just before they go off the rails.

I really hope you're not honestly comparing me to someone who does that based on three replies which were not threatening in the least. Hey, you're the one who said men aren't needed. Something very genocide sounding about that.

This doesn't make sense... I see Seth Rogen and Adam Sandler constantly but I don't go rant about how they're not attractive. And honestly I do hear annoying things in the media about how "he's the lovable every man that you are just so attracted to" even though he's fat and ugly.

Those two aren't portrayed as something women should be attracted to. They aren't displayed in a way where it feels like someone's trying to make you feel guilty for not finding them appealing. They aren't there to boost the spirits of unattractive men worldwide.

Wow. You must live in a really sad world where no one ever defends someone who is different from themselves. I'm sure there are fit women who think bullying and body shaming are wrong

More like bullying and body shaming is what's keeping them fit. It would be like a cool jock defending some nerd. Sure, it could happen, but it isn't likely. Well...maybe more likely than a fit woman defending a fat one, since women can be colder.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

So...you don't like when the guys here automatically assume her defenders have equally bad/worse body types, yet you now say "we're fat and we're here" ? Are they getting something wrong?

I'm sure Amy has more fans other than overweight ones. However, I don't deny that many of you would find me chubby if you met me in person. I also don't care. It's online--I could mask it if I wanted to. But I choose not to. I choose to TELL you I'm chubby by your standards. Your attempts to make women feel ashamed or withered by your assessment of our appearance is failing.

Hey, you're the one who said men aren't needed. Something very genocide sounding about that.

The truth is, I worship the ground my husband walks on. He's the best thing that's ever happened to me. Our union is very strong. But that's me. First of all, I'm not implying genocide. Men can stay, they're not really in the way. And are necessary when it comes to war, fire fighting, carpentry, plumbing etc. And fat women can get those things done for them as long as they make enough money to purchase a man's trade. But when I see someone like you online boasting about how women should adhere to YOUR standards of attractiveness, it needs to be said: they don't need to, and they'll be just fine.

Those two aren't portrayed as something women should be attracted to. They aren't displayed in a way where it feels like someone's trying to make you feel guilty for not finding them appealing. They aren't there to boost the spirits of unattractive men worldwide.

Again, it's YOUR distorted perception that Schumer is here to boost the spirits of unattractive women worldwide. She's just an entertainer--making her living in her chosen field. Don't read so much into it. If she happens to make others feel good about themselves, that's great. Only a severely disturbed person would go on a rampage to counteract that with hate.

More like bullying and body shaming is what's keeping them fit.

Oh so you think your anger is doing the world a favor? Keeping them fit?? You were probably beat as a child, am I right?
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

At any rate, you need to be checked. If Schumer unintentionally represents anything in the way of a guiding force for society's perception of women it is not that men have to find overweight women appealing, but moreover that women weren't put here to look good for you. Your reaction to Schumer and your fear of the impact she is having on women is proof that you have been taught otherwise somewhere along the way. It's time for you to learn your place.

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

It's online--I could mask it if I wanted to. But I choose not to. I choose to TELL you I'm chubby by your standards. Your attempts to make women feel ashamed or withered by your assessment of our appearance is failing.

Well I'm glad to hear that, and your attempts at trying to shame men into dropping their standards because they might hurt the feelings of some women are also failing.

First of all, I'm not implying genocide. Men can stay, they're not really in the way. And are necessary when it comes to war, fire fighting, carpentry, plumbing etc. And fat women can get those things done for them as long as they make enough money to purchase a man's trade.

So men are good for doing your dirty work, keeping you safe, die trying (war), etc. Your husband must be a very lucky man. Is it safe to assume you're one of those women who wants 'equality' as long as the end result suits you? You're a dime a dozen.

For someone who goes on about how women weren't put here to look good for men, you're rather shameless with your uses for men.

You were probably beat as a child, am I right?

Nope, but thank you for asking.

At any rate, you need to be checked.

I'm not experiencing any physical trauma, but again, thank you for your concern.

If Schumer unintentionally represents anything in the way of a guiding force for society's perception of women it is not that men have to find overweight women appealing, but moreover that women weren't put here to look good for you. Your reaction to Schumer and your fear of the impact she is having on women is proof that you have been taught otherwise somewhere along the way. It's time for you to learn your place.

What place might that be? Do tell me. The underlying message of your whining here is that you think men should be accepting to all women. That men shouldn't have any standards. Let me tell you how it works in the real world.

- women require men to be financially stable before they'd even give them the time of day.
- women require men to have full independence, ambition, and a list of goals to be working towards.
- women require men to be confident, outgoing, assertive, with a strong sense of fun and adventure.
- women require men to be physically attractive, which could include anything from being physically fit to something stupid like being covered in tattoos (those are big with women for some reason).

In short, women's shallow standards puts men's to shame. And a lot of it is personality ontop of being physically attractive. Personality, and anything mental, is a hell of a lot harder to get someone to 'accept' than dropping a few pounds.

If men choose to like women who are 125 lbs or less, I see nothing wrong with that given what they have to deal with in return. If you want to rant and rave about 'acceptance', you're doing it to the wrong crowd.

[–] cutty2000 9 years ago

SHAME men into dropping their standards? What a tool. Your standards are irrelevant. You can have whatever personal standards you want, but when you come on the Internet and voice your *beep* opinion and try to push everyone in line with your views, prepare to be derided, ridiculed, lambasted, and called out as the insufferable misogynist scumbag you are.

Let me disabuse you of something. You are not "the crowd." You are a very tiny, unfortunately very vocal, minority of a subset of the PUA community that even some of the most staunchly pro-male advocates wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. The MRA/MGTOW 'movement' (as in bowel movement) is indefensible and will never be taken seriously by anyone that matters.

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

Oh look, another masked man hater who thinks men aren't entitled to their own opinions and godforbid they take a stance against women on anything or they "will never be taken seriously by anyone that matters".

The only one in here forcing anything on anybody is the OP. "Women weren't put here to look good for you", yeah yeah she was hostile from the get go. Not to mention her belittling men trying to make them look unimportant. I suppose that's fine and dandy for you, but should a smart MRA/MGTOW guy make similar statements about women, then nobody who matters would take them seriously, right?

[–] cutty2000 9 years ago

Do you live in a bubble? Her post comes amid a sea of your MRA neckbeard posts. There are no 'smart' MRA/MGTOW guys, the position and intelligence are mutually exclusive.

Also, I'm not a masked man hater. I am myself a man. I AM a MRA hater though. Just like I hate racists, anti vaxxers, pedophiles, and anyone else who holds a morally reprehensible, indefensible position.

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

I have not even mentioned the 'MRA' initials until you came along, so where is this sea of MRA posts? Oh, is it because I'm not conforming to the latest trend that "all women are beautiful", which the OP sounds upset that not all guys are following? If you're an MRA hater then you must have issues with extreme feminism too. I mean, it would make more sense to.

Then again, you're self-righteous so you're probably in the mindless position that the woman is always right.

[–] cutty2000 9 years ago

You don't need to mention it fool, it is plainly written all over this board, and your views parrot everything they say. I do also despise militant feminists. Go ahead and add that to my list. But to act like you aren't a misogynist toolbag, when your posts clearly say otherwise, is ludicrous. Your claiming innocence is the equivalent of taking a dump on the floor in a crowded room and then claiming you didn't do it. We can all see that you did it.

I, and others of my mindset, are not claiming that "all women are beautiful" (a subjective term anyway). We maintain that women should be treated with respect regardless of their beauty, and calling a genuinely talented, funny, bright girl a "pig with lipstick on" is never even a little bit ok.

That fact that you can't seem to frame your views in a way outside of "hot or not" is a testament to your immaturity.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

Well I'm glad to hear that, and your attempts at trying to shame men into dropping their standards because they might hurt the feelings of some women are also failing.

Fair enough, but once again: I am not saying men should or need to be attracted to women of a certain size. I'm merely saying the rage against them is weird. That's it! Why some of you are inventing sentences I never said is also weird and speaks to your paranoia.

So men are good for doing your dirty work, keeping you safe, die trying (war), etc.

 Kinda, but I was speaking more for society in general, women that is, not so much myself. I mean-- you guys act like you have all this authority and women should look a certain way for you or else hear your wrath.. and I'm just like, "nah, they'll be fine without your approval.

Is it safe to assume you're one of those women who wants 'equality' as long as the end result suits you?

Well--duh. Here's the thing, anyone who doesn't want to make things as good/easy for themselves as possible is a freaking twit.

At any rate, you need to be checked.
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I'm not experiencing any physical trauma, but again, thank you for your concern.

I didn't mean checked in the physical sense. Just verbally. But your obsession with violence causes more suspicion that you were abused as a child. Are you a gamer?

The underlying message of your whining here is that you think men should be accepting to all women. That men shouldn't have any standards.

Dude what are you reading...!?!? Have you own standards. Live by your own standards, that's fine. No matter how ridiculous they are, it's your right to have them. "No thigh gap I no tap." Whatever! I don't care. But you shouldn't flock here and post your rage-fueled excrement targeting the weight of women... that's all I'm saying. Yes freedom of speech and blah blah blah but it is weird, that's all. And makes me curious as to why you feel so strongly about something that doesn't' effect you at all.

What place might that be? Do tell me. The underlying message of your whining here is that you think men should be accepting to all women. That men shouldn't have any standards. Let me tell you how it works in the real world.

- women require men to be financially stable before they'd even give them the time of day.
- women require men to have full independence, ambition, and a list of goals to be working towards.
- women require men to be confident, outgoing, assertive, with a strong sense of fun and adventure.
- women require men to be physically attractive, which could include anything from being physically fit to something stupid like being covered in tattoos (those are big with women for some reason).

In short, women's shallow standards puts men's to shame. And a lot of it is personality ontop of being physically attractive. Personality, and anything mental, is a hell of a lot harder to get someone to 'accept' than dropping a few pounds.
If men choose to like women who are 125 lbs or less, I see nothing wrong with that given what they have to deal with in return. If you want to rant and rave about 'acceptance', you're doing it to the wrong crowd.

Kids, this is your brain on drugs.

Seriously dude, you can find a certain body type unattractive and not go off the f'ing deep end bullying them for it.... One doesn't necessitate the other.

This is what happens when you are close-minded and let your paranoia guide your assumptions about what you think I meant.. then you stop listening/reading and respond to what you think I said even though that's not what I said at all...

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

Fair enough, but once again: I am not saying men should or need to be attracted to women of a certain size. I'm merely saying the rage against them is weird.

I already explained to you, men are tired of being told what to like. Maybe you aren't doing that (directly), but there's a clear message out there which is trying to make the 'fat girl' more and more into the 'every girl'. Men are often vilified for their tastes being "unrealistic" where women aren't, which is odd given the BS women make men go through. How society caters to women whether they're already with a man or trying to attract one is becoming increasingly sickening.

I didn't mean checked in the physical sense. Just verbally. But your obsession with violence causes more suspicion that you were abused as a child.

I never said anything about violence. It was you who asked if I was beat as a child out of the blue. Is that a common assumption you make of men who don't roll over for women?

Are you a gamer?

No.

Dude what are you reading...!?!? Have you own standards. Live by your own standards, that's fine. No matter how ridiculous they are, it's your right to have them. "No thigh gap I no tap." Whatever! I don't care. But you shouldn't flock here and post your rage-fueled excrement targeting the weight of women... that's all I'm saying.

But is that really all you're saying? You originally asked what's wrong with fat women and why they're upsetting for men. When that was explained to you (see first part of this post) you then went on a tirade about how "women aren't here to look good for you" and told me "accept us as we are or become a future mass shooter" (remember that?). Sounds to me like you do have a problem with the standards some men have. You even went as far as saying men aren't needed for anything, but I know I don't need to remind you of that. Bottom line: don't act so innocent.

Kids, this is your brain on drugs.

Nope, that's the reality of how the world works regardless of how women try to brainwash the masses. Remember that kids.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

but there's a clear message out there which is trying to make the 'fat girl' more and more into the 'every girl'

Which is what the media did with fat men oh say around 1940 with Jackie Gleason (Honeymooners.)

Men are often vilified for their tastes being "unrealistic" where women aren't, which is odd given the BS women make men go through. How society caters to women whether they're already with a man or trying to attract one is becoming increasingly sickening.

What's deranged is this is 99% your perception. No one ever told you to think Amy's hot. There's even a line in the movie where she's called "pretty-ish," but you wouldn't know that...because you didn't see the movie.

They give a woman a starring role in a TV series and her own movie, complete with promo posters and all, and you weirdos think, "Oh so I'm supposed to think that's hot now???" NO! You're supposed to accept the fact that some find her funny and are entertained by her and hence she has a career in the entertainment industry. That's it. Any other subliminal messages is just you reading WAY TOO MUCH into it... It's also proof that it's hardwired in the American psyche to see a woman and immediately judge her on f-ability. It's like Pavlov's dog. You see a woman and instantly take to critiquing her appearance and assume that's the point of her being in front of you. Just consider for a moment that no one is telling you to find Schumer attractive...they're just telling you to accept her as having a career in comedy. You don't have to like her comedy, you don't even have to watch it! But that's all you're being forced to accept. Your dating choices are still 100% your own and no one is trying to take that away from you.

I never said anything about violence. It was you who asked if I was beat as a child out of the blue. Is that a common assumption you make of men who don't roll over for women?

Violence= I told you men are not essential to the modern woman's life, and you countered with a claim that I'm calling for genocide.
I said you need to be checked, and you assumed I again meant something violent which I didn't.
I asked if you were beat as a child because you implied that you're doing society a favor by berating women into being more physically fit. The "tough love" campaign is often derived of abuse (verbal and perhaps physical) being a positive influence. It's been discounted several times. It simply doesn't work. I thought it was worth asking if you were beat as a child. I'm genuinely trying to figure out the source of this mentality. So you're not a gamer either, hmm? Interesting.

But is that really all you're saying? You originally asked what's wrong with fat women and why they're upsetting for men. When that was explained to you (see first part of this post) you then went on a tirade about how "women aren't here to look good for you" and told me "accept us as we are or become a future mass shooter" (remember that?). Sounds to me like you do have a problem with the standards some men have. You even went as far as saying men aren't needed for anything, but I know I don't need to remind you of that. Bottom line: don't act so innocent.

The problem with paraphrasing is sometimes things get taken out of context.

I do think it needs to be said that women aren't here to look good for you.
Again I will draw the distinction very clearly: I'm not offended by the standards that some men have. I don't mind that in my single days had I met you in real life you would've found me unattractive. The point is that you shouldn't feel rage towards someone just because you don't find them attractive. You think women are the entitled ones but that's a laugh considering you think you're entitled to judge and berate any woman who doesn't meet your standards.

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

They give a woman a starring role in a TV series and her own movie, complete with promo posters and all, and you weirdos think, "Oh so I'm supposed to think that's hot now???" NO! You're supposed to accept the fact that some find her funny and are entertained by her and hence she has a career in the entertainment industry. That's it.

But it isn't just her who gets this treatment. All female celebs who are below average in the looks department seem to carry this weird label (certainly no guy gave them) that tries to make you believe 99% of women out there are like them. Oddly enough, the female celebs who seem to get picked on the most are the stereotypical attractive ones, almost as if it's "bad" to like them. You'll notice male celebs don't get this treatment. Maybe it's because women seem to have bigger 'self-image' issues and always need to be given a reason to feel good about themselves.

Violence= I told you men are not essential to the modern woman's life, and you countered with a claim that I'm calling for genocide.

To point out the hypocrisy of you suggesting I'm going to be like one of these guys who goes off the rails and does a mass shooting (no evidence to suggest why), while at the same time you're talking as if men aren't needed for anything. There's more reason to think you might do that. You've shown spurts of anger here and I think it goes deeper than what you want people to believe.

I said you need to be checked, and you assumed I again meant something violent which I didn't.

You were implying something was wrong with me. I was just covering the bases.

I asked if you were beat as a child because you implied that you're doing society a favor by berating women into being more physically fit.

You can't berate women into being more physically fit unless they want to be. I said women who are already physically fit are more likely to stay that way. Today's women are too stubborn and self-victimizing to be berated into anything.

Again I will draw the distinction very clearly: I'm not offended by the standards that some men have.

Ok. You wouldn't know it though...

You think women are the entitled ones but that's a laugh considering you think you're entitled to judge and berate any woman who doesn't meet your standards.

But they are entitled. And just because women "ignore" every man they have no interest in, doesn't mean they don't make men feel like crap too. You don't need to rage at someone to do that. Women are just better at provoking it.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

All female celebs who are below average in the looks department seem to carry this weird label (certainly no guy gave them)

Then certainly it isn't valid, if no guy gave it to them... 

Sorry to break it to you, but the opinions of women matter too. We are consumers too. We buy movie tickets too... If we find a woman funny, maybe relatable, and her looks don't offend us the way they do you for some reason, we'll watch her. Hence she'll make money. Hence she'll get more backing from studios and networks that wanna make money. it's how business works. You're taking it way too personally...

And again, as unfathomable as it is to you, it doesn't matter what label a guy gave them...

that tries to make you believe 99% of women out there are like them.

1. What does that have to do with attractiveness, or a guy approving of the label before it's given to women?
2. Again this is all in your head. No one says or implies that 99% of women are like them, but enough people are entertained by them to keep them afloat.
3. Hollywood has always been a man's world. It's packed with concepts in which the guys can be shlubs and the women are supermodels, quite literally. It's fantasy-- specifically male fantasy. You've come to expect it because it's deeply engrained in our culture, it's a common theme, you're used to seeing it and oh yeah--it makes you feel better about your prospects, not worse. It's sad that you can't handle a few projects in which women do the same thing to men. It speaks volumes that you want Hollywood to keep repeating the same tired old tropes: young, fit women, men can be whatever and are in fact encouraged to be older/bigger/whatever, doesn't matter...but women we hold to a high standard.

Oddly enough, the female celebs who seem to get picked on the most are the stereotypical attractive ones, almost as if it's "bad" to like them. You'll notice male celebs don't get this treatment. Maybe it's because women seem to have bigger 'self-image' issues and always need to be given a reason to feel good about themselves.

I don't observe these things at all actually. I think it's pretty understandable that people find Victoria's Secret models hot. As for male celebs, as I've told you before, I actually hear a lot of women swooning over fat old guys as if they're desirable and I just don't see it. I find it irksome but it doesn't bother me as much as seeing that treatment of women seems to bother you.

you suggesting I'm going to be like one of these guys who goes off the rails and does a mass shooting (no evidence to suggest why)

Faulty premise to this argument. I never suggested you were going to go off the rails and commit a shooting spree. What I said was you sound like those deranged guys just before they did that. I can see where you thought I was implying you were headed down that road, but I quite honestly wasn't. You have a common ideology with at least two of the men who committed those acts based on their own ramblings and yours. There are commonalities. That alone is disturbing enough. Most people don't go off the rails to that extent so I can safely assume you won't either (or at least I can't safely assume you will,) but you did agree with their plight to some extent even if you don't agree with their actions. Your viewpoint might not be healthy.

You've shown spurts of anger here and I think it goes deeper than what you want people to believe.

Yep. Men believing that women exist to please them and should strive for their approval does anger me, and I don't mind "people" knowing that.

You were implying something was wrong with me. I was just covering the bases.

As any paranoid person would...

I said women who are already physically fit are more likely to stay that way.

Who denied that??? All I said was that I think some fit women would be against bullying of bigger women.

Today's women are too stubborn and self-victimizing to be berated into anything.

This is such a twisted sentence because while it's bad to have a victim mentality and stubbornness isn't always a great quality, it's great to not be berated into anything. So I'm confused what your point is. Are you implying it would be better if women could be berated into things? I do believe that would make you more comfortable. Control issues much?

And just because women "ignore" every man they have no interest in, doesn't mean they don't make men feel like crap too.

So it's not enough that women refrain from being rude and abusive to men they're not attracted to, like you do to women? What's a better alternative? I'd love you to explain, otherwise I'll do something I'd rather not do--jump to conclusions and put words in your mouth. The implication seems to be that you think women are making men feel like crap by not talking to them? Or sleeping with them? They'd have to do both because if they spoke to them without sleeping with them they'd be teases. Basically you'll find any reason to knock women. Really I think some people who think like you do are just frustrated that they can't get what they want from the girls they want.

Women are just better at provoking it.

Classic abusive thug's retort: "She provoked me." 

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

Then certainly it isn't valid, if no guy gave it to them...

Now you're getting it...

1. What does that have to do with attractiveness, or a guy approving of the label before it's given to women?
2. Again this is all in your head. No one says or implies that 99% of women are like them, but enough people are entertained by them to keep them afloat.
3. Hollywood has always been a man's world. It's packed with concepts in which the guys can be shlubs and the women are supermodels, quite literally. It's fantasy-- specifically male fantasy. You've come to expect it because it's deeply engrained in our culture, it's a common theme, you're used to seeing it and oh yeah--it makes you feel better about your prospects, not worse.

1. Because most people don't find below average looking women attractive.
2. Enough women are entertained by them because they aren't threatened by their looks (so therefore they're 'relatable') and they make them feel better about themselves. Especially if they're doing something that slams men or better looking women in the process.
3. Doesn't make me feel any better about my prospects, but at least it isn't ever forceful about anything. Things aren't done underhanded just to please a specific group because they feel their representation is unjust.

I don't observe these things at all actually. I think it's pretty understandable that people find Victoria's Secret models hot. As for male celebs, as I've told you before, I actually hear a lot of women swooning over fat old guys as if they're desirable and I just don't see it.

Fat old male celebs? You sure about that?

I never suggested you were going to go off the rails and commit a shooting spree. What I said was you sound like those deranged guys just before they did that. I can see where you thought I was implying you were headed down that road, but I quite honestly wasn't. You have a common ideology with at least two of the men who committed those acts based on their own ramblings and yours. There are commonalities. That alone is disturbing enough.

What ideology is that? I'm sure there are a lot of men who feel that way to certain degrees. A lot of them would never be as vocal about it because criticism of women is seen as "sexist" even if it's warranted. You may not like what I'm saying and probably think I'm an evil person, but I do not empathize with anyone who carries out such actions no matter who the victims are.

Yep. Men believing that women exist to please them and should strive for their approval does anger me, and I don't mind "people" knowing that.

That's unfortunate. But at the same time, just as you keep saying men shouldn't be angered by fat women, you shouldn't be angered by men who believe that as well.

This is such a twisted sentence because while it's bad to have a victim mentality and stubbornness isn't always a great quality, it's great to not be berated into anything. So I'm confused what your point is. Are you implying it would be better if women could be berated into things?

I'm simply saying they can't be berated into things. Would it make things easier? Of course, but women are becoming more and more used to things being adjusted for them. They aren't exactly good with accountability.

So it's not enough that women refrain from being rude and abusive to men they're not attracted to, like you do to women? What's a better alternative?

Why, maybe be more open minded? A couple replies back I mentioned some of the things required of all men by women. Now, women want 'equality' with everything that suits them, but we still live in a time where (for whatever reason) the guy is expected to make the first move and meet all her standards before he does. This gives them the unfair advantage of a guy saying "hey I like you but I have no idea how you feel about me". Just what the hell is the point of approaching a girl when you already know ahead of time there's no point? You think women are being harmless by ignoring, but the damage is already done. If they're going to continue making men be the ones that get things done, try not being so cold about it.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

Enough women are entertained by them

That's fine. Still translates to viewership and ticket sales. Turns out the cash register doesn't discriminate the way you do. Money from a woman is still money. Ratings from women watching is still ratings. It's not like wages where a man's work is worth more 

because they aren't threatened by their looks (so therefore they're 'relatable') and they make them feel better about themselves.

That's fine too. This bothers you why??

Especially if they're doing something that slams men or better looking women in the process.

Okay well the former is a different issue all together. If you think that man-bashing is going on, that's actually a valid reason to reject the comedy of a comedienne. The latter too actually... However I don't see this from Schumer. The majority of her comedy is self-deprecating. She seems to have no trouble saying other women are hotter than her and good for them. She may poke fun of men and maleness in general, in the same way that Louis CK, Bill Burr and George Carlin do/did to women. If the latter is okay with you, you're a hypocrite. But honestly for the most part it's all in good fun. And again, if it isn't...the best protest you can make is by ignoring her. Just being on her forum is keeping her relevant.

at least it isn't ever forceful about anything

Oh yes it is. It most certainly is. It's just not ever forceful about anything that offends you.

Things aren't done underhanded just to please a specific group because they feel their representation is unjust.

haha yes it is. Again you just don't notice the agenda because it doesn't bother you.

Men often feel like they're underappreciated. They feel insecure and threatened by men who make more money, are better looking and score the hotter girlfriend/wife. When they shoot for the 9 or 10, and get rejected, they lament "nice guys finish last." When in reality, they're not such nice guys anyway. And even if they were, that doesn't obligate a woman to be attracted to them.

Enter Hollywood. Most filmmakers are males (first and foremost,) with less than movie star looks themselves who couldn't exactly play for the 49ers. Films are their fantasy world in which they cast supermodels with the "lovable" average guy. How often do you hear "average girl" mentioned positively? Not very. But "every man" carries with it a connotation of acceptance in a way that "average woman" does not.

Fat old male celebs? You sure about that?

I'm positive. The disconnect is probably the fact that I'm judging men the way women are judged. I use the exact same criteria. So 28 BMI is considered fat and above age 34 is considered old. You're probably confused because a man would have to be as old as Robert DeNiro (who is still getting leading roles in Hollywood btw,)and fat as Kevin James (ditto on him still getting leading roles) for you to consider them either one.

A lot of them would never be as vocal about it because criticism of women is seen as "sexist" even if it's warranted.

haha if that's the way you choose to justify it, go right ahead. The fact is that many men are aware that women don't exist solely to be something pleasing for them to look at, and that's why they don't get angry when women they deem unattractive make millions of dollars. But if you want to tell yourself that every man agrees with you and is just hen-pecked into subservience, be my guest.

You may not like what I'm saying and probably think I'm an evil person, but I do not empathize with anyone who carries out such actions no matter who the victims are.

Glad to hear it. But if they were still alive, they would upvote a lot of your comments here 

, just as you keep saying men shouldn't be angered by fat women, you shouldn't be angered by men who believe that as well.

Why's that?

Would it make things easier? Of course,

Would it make what easier? Your psychotic crusade to try to get women to adhere to your guidelines of attractiveness? 

They aren't exactly good with accountability.

Neither are men.

Humans in general have a propensity to seek out the path of least resistance, to advocate for themselves and to sometimes get out of responsibilities they don't want to deal with without any repercussions.

we still live in a time where (for whatever reason) the guy is expected to make the first move and meet all her standards before he does.

Making the first move is not against men. In fact it stems from women being oppressed. Women who go for what they want are labeled negative things in all realms. In dating, this type of woman would be called too forward, which is not a "ladylike" trait. Personally, I tell all my single friends to make the first move. Why sit around and wait for what finds you acceptable, when you can just go for what you want. I did that when I was single.
As for meeting all her standards...umm DUH, and women are treated the same way. Men aren't going for women they don't want, and women aren't accepting men they don't want. That's pretty even Steven.

Just what the hell is the point of approaching a girl when you already know ahead of time there's no point? You think women are being harmless by ignoring, but the damage is already done. If they're going to continue making men be the ones that get things done, try not being so cold about it.

 are you sniffing glue??? I meant when they don't find a man attractive. They're actually preventing the man from getting rejected by letting it be known he wouldn't have a shot anyway.

So let me get this straight, you'd prefer it if women were rude, condescending, cruel, nasty, etc when they don't find a guy attractive? Just want to be clear on this before I unleash the beast...

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

Money from a woman is still money. Ratings from women watching is still ratings. It's not like wages where a man's work is worth more

Maybe when women work as hard as men, their whining with the "wage gap" myth might have a little more merit to it. More men face job related injuries and even death. Most physical jobs are men. Men are worth the pay. Women? Well they complain about unearned 'equality', we know that much.

Okay well the former is a different issue all together. If you think that man-bashing is going on, that's actually a valid reason to reject the comedy of a comedienne. The latter too actually... However I don't see this from Schumer.

The general perception I get from female comedians (not saying Schumer before you take issue with this) is a lot of spiteful, shameless guilt tripping where they do what women do best, victimize. Female comedians are typically the rejected type, which is why they're trying to be funny. You could say the same about some male comedians but they don't make things as personal and mean spirited. I could safely assume there's man-bashing thrown in there.

Men often feel like they're underappreciated. They feel insecure and threatened by men who make more money, are better looking and score the hotter girlfriend/wife. When they shoot for the 9 or 10, and get rejected, they lament "nice guys finish last." When in reality, they're not such nice guys anyway.

Nice guys do finish last though. Women even say themselves that nice is "boring" and they'd rather be with an edgy guy. I guess the uncertainty of knowing if you'll even last with him is a lot better than calm stability. Women are more about entertainment value in a relationship than they are anything you'd think a logical person would be seeking. I don't know if it's because they have short attention spans or what, but anything for a wild thrill.

Enter Hollywood. Most filmmakers are males (first and foremost,) with less than movie star looks themselves who couldn't exactly play for the 49ers. Films are their fantasy world in which they cast supermodels with the "lovable" average guy. How often do you hear "average girl" mentioned positively? Not very. But "every man" carries with it a connotation of acceptance in a way that "average woman" does not.

Well you know what? I'm sure if there were more female filmmakers they'd probably reverse all of that for you every chance they could. Then you'd be saying it's all ok, and probably get upset with men who say otherwise. Hey wait, that sounds familiar...

The disconnect is probably the fact that I'm judging men the way women are judged. I use the exact same criteria. So 28 BMI is considered fat and above age 34 is considered old. You're probably confused because a man would have to be as old as Robert DeNiro (who is still getting leading roles in Hollywood btw,)and fat as Kevin James (ditto on him still getting leading roles) for you to consider them either one.

Men play a much wider range of roles, so yeah, they pretty much do have to be as old or fat as those guys to be considered such. Women have a lot more to prove.

So anyway, you saying you know women who swoon over old fat guys...all things considered they probably really aren't that old or fat.

just as you keep saying men shouldn't be angered by fat women, you shouldn't be angered by men who believe that as well.
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Why's that?

Because it isn't healthy to be that angry, wouldn't you agree? I don't think men are as angry about fat women as you make it seem. Irritated is a better word. You on the other hand have clearly been bothered by this. It can't be good. 

Would it make what easier? Your psychotic crusade to try to get women to adhere to your guidelines of attractiveness?

Case in point right here. Psychotic crusade? That's crazy talk. I'm merely saying it would be easier to get a message out, like "You're fat and you love it, we get it, but we're not going to act like it's pretty no matter how much you want it to be!"

Making the first move is not against men. In fact it stems from women being oppressed. Women who go for what they want are labeled negative things in all realms. In dating, this type of woman would be called too forward, which is not a "ladylike" trait.

Women are being more encouraged to go for what they want...except when it comes to dating. They still take the easy route of sitting back, waiting until someone they find attractive enough comes along, someone who makes it clear he likes them so they'll have an easier time dealing with their own insecurities because they already know where he stands. For guys, just the thought of approaching a girl is a lot like feeling around in the dark. You have to be brave just to do it, and you have no idea what you're getting into because you need to get her to like you.

So let me get this straight, you'd prefer it if women were rude, condescending, cruel, nasty, etc when they don't find a guy attractive? Just want to be clear on this before I unleash the beast...

I'm saying that just "ignoring" the guy is rude itself. Women are supposed to be the more compassionate of the genders, right? At least that's how everyone acts. So they should be more sympathetic, and even apologetic.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

Maybe when women work as hard as men, their whining with the "wage gap" myth might have a little more merit to it. More men face job related injuries and even death. Most physical jobs are men. Men are worth the pay. Women? Well they complain about unearned 'equality', we know that much.

hahaha excellent self-congratulatory rant , humorous too, but in the mean time what I said remains truer than you wish it to be : When women spend money at the theater and choose what to watch on TV, it's valid and reflected in the market even though they're merely inferior, unworthy women. Hence Schumer and others like her will find success. You? Well you'll just have to find a way to deal with that 

So far your coping mechanism is lashing out at women in general, while simultaneously saying how horrible man-bashing is. Irony at its finest 

shameless guilt tripping where they do what women do best, victimize.

I guess your philosophy is "if you can't beat them, join them". Because you're pretty good at all that too 

I could safely assume there's man-bashing thrown in there.

Well you seem a little sensitive, so by your definition, probably 

Nice guys do finish last though

Oh yeah like you'd know??? You're hardly a nice guy if you've actually thought half of what you've blasted online. The problem with self-proclaimed "nice guys" is they're never even nice guys. By the way, you have quite the victim complex yourself, feeling wronged by women. I'm not saying this to be nasty, but the truth is if you've been turned down by a lot of girls, it's not a conspiracy, it's def not that you were "too nice," it's for no other reason than you going for girls out of your league. This may or may not apply to you, it may apply to your bitter friends you hear whining about it, and anyone who says nice guys finish last. It's a bunch of crap. Stop assuming you can get Brooklyn Decker because you see it happen in movies, go for a reasonable choice and you won't get turned down.

Women even say themselves that nice is "boring" and they'd rather be with an edgy guy.

Yeah some say that. Usually young ones It's usually a phase. It passes like bad shrimp.

Well you know what? I'm sure if there were more female filmmakers they'd probably reverse all of that for you every chance they could. Then you'd be saying it's all ok, and probably get upset with men who say otherwise. Hey wait, that sounds familiar...

Hello--welcome to our current conversation. Yes, after decades of men doing it I see no problem with the role reversal. You do. You defend a man's right to support such themes over and over again... yet object to a woman doing it. Examine that. I don't necessarily have a problem with men doing it, but see no problem with a female counter to that.

Men play a much wider range of roles, so yeah, they pretty much do have to be as old or fat as those guys to be considered such. Women have a lot more to prove.

haha when you can't argue with logic, you'll just resort to trolly, 4th grade insults  I'll take that as a concession speech.

And yeah, how convenient that roles for men are better and written in a way that doesn't necessitate them to look youthful and slender. I'm sure that's an accident or a coincidence. If it weren't for Schumer, had we met on a different board you'd be telling me the blame is on women for not writing and/or producing their own material, no one is trying to oppress them they're just lazy. But now here we are...meeting on a board where a woman did just that--took matters into her own hands and here you are...trying to blast her for that.

So anyway, you saying you know women who swoon over old fat guys...all things considered they probably really aren't that old or fat.

By your criteria? Probably not. Of course you give men a lot more leniency. Women you think should be held to a higher standard. I guess that's a compliment in a way 

Because it isn't healthy to be that angry, wouldn't you agree? I don't think men are as angry about fat women as you make it seem. Irritated is a better word. You on the other hand have clearly been bothered by this. It can't be good.

Back at ya 

I'm merely saying it would be easier to get a message out, like "You're fat and you love it, we get it, but we're not going to act like it's pretty no matter how much you want it to be!"

Great, and we're merely saying: "We don't care if you think we're pretty!" 

I'm saying that just "ignoring" the guy is rude itself

So if a girl is not attracted to a guy, she shouldn't ignore him. She should be nice to him? Isn't that leading him on? You'd complain about that too.

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

but in the mean time what I said remains truer than you wish it to be : When women spend money at the theater and choose what to watch on TV, it's valid and reflected in the market even though they're merely inferior, unworthy women. Hence Schumer and others like her will find success.

Show me where I said money spent by women doesn't count towards anything. Never said that. Money earned by women, however, is another issue. Wouldn't hurt employers to keep a tighter lid in most cases.

Well you seem a little sensitive, so by your definition, probably

Ha! Me sensitive? I'm not the only guy you've been going back and forth with about Schumer and fat women overall. You keep saying you don't care, that guys can like what they want, but you're still bothered enough by it.

Oh yeah like you'd know??? You're hardly a nice guy if you've actually thought half of what you've blasted online. The problem with self-proclaimed "nice guys" is they're never even nice guys.

That's because when nice guys have had enough and start calling women out on their crap (which there's a lot of), women like to go "*gasps* he's not such a nice guy after all". Maybe if they didn't make that the only way to be noticed, guys wouldn't have to resort to it.

By the way, you have quite the victim complex yourself, feeling wronged by women. I'm not saying this to be nasty, but the truth is if you've been turned down by a lot of girls, it's not a conspiracy, it's def not that you were "too nice," it's for no other reason than you going for girls out of your league. This may or may not apply to you, it may apply to your bitter friends you hear whining about it, and anyone who says nice guys finish last. It's a bunch of crap. Stop assuming you can get Brooklyn Decker because you see it happen in movies, go for a reasonable choice and you won't get turned down.

What would be a more 'reasonable' choice? A below average fat girl? Why can't I assume I can get a Brooklyn Decker? Someone must be able to get her, why not me? Basically what you're doing when you say that is confirming the ridiculously high standards women have. The shallow nature and high maintenance. So what would it take to get someone like that? Oh I know, having money, looks, power, the whole shebang. Guess us poor average joes will just have to settle for someone we're actually not attracted to, because that's the best we can get, right?

You know it's weird, women want men to be full of themselves with 'confidence', but they don't want them thinking they could have a woman they actually find attractive. "She's out of your league". Just another part of their controlling agenda.

And yeah, how convenient that roles for men are better and written in a way that doesn't necessitate them to look youthful and slender. I'm sure that's an accident or a coincidence.

It's because men are just better at covering a variety of topics. You don't have to be upset about it. You don't like how looks are always the focal point of women, but look at it this way: men are still expected to be the pursuers of women. Until women start to change that, and dare I say, start taking the first step towards men, their appearance will always be more important than men's. That's the way things are geared.

By your criteria? Probably not. Of course you give men a lot more leniency. Women you think should be held to a higher standard. I guess that's a compliment in a way

As I said, when women are ready to pull up their socks and take a bigger role in starting relationships, then they could have higher standards. When you expect men to do it all, we have every right to hold women to a higher standard. Take a look at any dating website. You always hear women talk about the hundreds of messages they get and how they're extremely selective in the ones they reply to (picky). You always hear men talk about how hard it is just to get a damn reply. When men have to deal with that, of course they're going to have high standards because women are proving to not be worth it.

So if a girl is not attracted to a guy, she shouldn't ignore him. She should be nice to him? Isn't that leading him on? You'd complain about that too.

It's only leading him on if she's flirty with him. There's nothing wrong with being nice to someone, even if they like you but you don't like them. Pretending the guy doesn't exist is straight up rude.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

Show me where I said money spent by women doesn't count towards anything. Never said that.

I explained why Amy is successful. It's simple economics: She makes money. I said "enough people are entertained by her to keep her afloat." You countered with: "Enough women are entertained by her."...as if that made a difference. Sorry to break it to you: it does not.

but you're still bothered enough by it.

as are you.

Maybe if they didn't make that the only way to be noticed, guys wouldn't have to resort to it.

Transference and justification. Check.

I love how you claim women are the ones with victim complex issues who aren't good at being held accountable, yet you quite clearly blame your bad behavior on women. Some accountability, brother ...

What would be a more 'reasonable' choice? A below average fat girl? Why can't I assume I can get a Brooklyn Decker? Someone must be able to get her, why not me? Basically what you're doing when you say that is confirming the ridiculously high standards women have. The shallow nature and high maintenance. So what would it take to get someone like that? Oh I know, having money, looks, power, the whole shebang. Guess us poor average joes will just have to settle for someone we're actually not attracted to, because that's the best we can get, right?

Wow. You're too far gone. But maybe someone reading this will be helped by what I'm about to say.

If you haven't gotten Brooklyn Decker type, it's because she's out of your league. It's not because you were too nice or because she's a b- tch or anything like that. If you think you can get her, go get her! When you come up empty handed, then you'll know I'm right. If you're right, you'd have her. Someone must be able to, why not you? Because she doesn't want to be with you, that's why. She'll be with someone else. Don't let it make you bitter. Just adjust your expectations.

The thing is, if YOU want to go for someone of such a high caliber, acknowledging that you're an average Joe, why would she not want the same? Why would she want an average Joe when you obviously don't want an average Jane? She doesn't.

You know it's weird, women want men to be full of themselves with 'confidence', but they don't want them thinking they could have a woman they actually find attractive. "She's out of your league". Just another part of their controlling agenda.

If you want a woman you're attracted to: so does she. And she's not wrong for it, as you're implying she is. You're not wrong for it either, but you're foolish. I'm not trying to control you by telling you these chicks are out of your league. I'm doing you a favor. The key to happiness is managing your expectations. If you'd rather continue being lonely, delusional, rejected, disappointed, bitter, angry...go ahead.

Until women start to change that, and dare I say, start taking the first step towards men

Women do make the first move when they see a really desirable guy who has everything they want. Trust me. When it matters, they can't bear the thought of letting him get away without at lest taking a crack at him.

It's because men are just better at covering a variety of topics. You don't have to be upset about it.

What I said totally went over your head.

It's only leading him on if she's flirty with him. There's nothing wrong with being nice to someone, even if they like you but you don't like them. Pretending the guy doesn't exist is straight up rude.

Okay got it. So when women are not attracted to a guy, we should still be nice but when men are not attracted to women, they should call her fat and ugly? Thanks for clarifying, I get confused sometimes. 

Keep in mind, manners came from me pointing out that you're rude to call Amy fat and ugly, at least when women don't find men attractive we don't usually go on their forum to talk smack, we just ignore them. You reprimanded me, that we should still acknowledge men we don't find attractive. Meanwhile defending your right to bully and verbally abuse fat women. No prob. 

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

as are you.

Not really. I know there are still enough level headed men out there that there's nothing to truly be concerned with right now. That's what speaks volumes about your concern.

I love how you claim women are the ones with victim complex issues who aren't good at being held accountable, yet you quite clearly blame your bad behavior on women. Some accountability, brother ...

What bad behavior are you talking about? Aside from what little I've said here about women (all true btw), you really don't know anything about my general and public behavior. If our exchange here has painted me as a bad person in your view, that's your own doing for reading into it that way. Still doesn't change the fact that all the mean and nasty nice guys out there are pushed to a point.

If you think you can get her, go get her! When you come up empty handed, then you'll know I'm right. If you're right, you'd have her. Someone must be able to, why not you? Because she doesn't want to be with you, that's why. She'll be with someone else. Don't let it make you bitter. Just adjust your expectations.

But why do you automatically assume she wouldn't want me? Because women have too high standards, as I've been saying all along. You know it too, otherwise why would you be writing off someone you've never even seen and know little about from being able to get someone like that? I'm sure if I lived a successful, lavish life (on the edge of course) and you were aware of it, you'd think differently about that.

The thing is, if YOU want to go for someone of such a high caliber, acknowledging that you're an average Joe, why would she not want the same? Why would she want an average Joe when you obviously don't want an average Jane? She doesn't.

Ahhhh, so that's it, huh? You're saying only successful hot guys (with an edge) are able to get hot girls. Then why did you say I was too far gone when that's the message after all? You think guys need to shoot lower, which means going for someone they don't find all that attractive. I guess that means successful hot guys (with an edge) and hot girls are the only ones who find happiness with anyone, because who honestly wants to settle for someone they're not attracted to just because they're considered "equal" with them? Forget that. Women are difficult enough, let alone when there's no reward.

The key to happiness is managing your expectations. If you'd rather continue being lonely, delusional, rejected, disappointed, bitter, angry...go ahead.

Sounds to me more like the key to happiness is never actually getting what you hoped for, but sucking it up and settling for much worse. Real winner there.

Women do make the first move when they see a really desirable guy who has everything they want. Trust me. When it matters, they can't bear the thought of letting him get away without at lest taking a crack at him.

Do they now? Does this happen with any guy who isn't a celebrity?

Keep in mind, manners came from me pointing out that you're rude to call Amy fat and ugly, at least when women don't find men attractive we don't usually go on their forum to talk smack, we just ignore them. You reprimanded me, that we should still acknowledge men we don't find attractive. Meanwhile defending your right to bully and verbally abuse fat women. No prob.

In my defense, I've never actually said anything derogatory about Amy. I initially answered you on why men don't like having fat women shoved on them. Had nothing to do with her specifically but more of a general sense. The worst I've said about her is that women like her because they're not threatened by her. So you're wrong, I'm not talking smack about her on "her" forum. I'm not so bad after all. 

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

I know there are still enough level headed men out there that there's nothing to truly be concerned with right now. That's what speaks volumes about your concern.

Oh, you're into men. That explains why you're not attracted to Schumer...

I'm not "concerned," I'm just as involved in an online debate with a stranger as you are. That's all.

What bad behavior are you talking about?

You keep forgetting our previous conversations. I have to remind you...
This is all about "nice guys finishing last." So I said, self proclaimed nice guys aren't actually nice guys. You defended not actually being a nice guy by saying that women reject the nice guys, leaving those men with no other choice but to not be nice guys. Blaming women for whatever it is that you do. I don't know what that is, but you agreed with me for at least one post that you're not really all that "nice" a guy. You agreed with me and then very quickly blamed women for your behavior.

Honestly I think your "strategy" in this argument is to counter all of my good points with denial that you said whatever prompted the good point.

"show me where I said a woman's money doesn't matter," "what bad behavior are you talking about? you don't know me." 

If our exchange here has painted me as a bad person in your view, that's your own doing for reading into it that way.

I didn't say bad...I merely said not nice. Huge difference.

Still doesn't change the fact that all the mean and nasty nice guys out there are pushed to a point.

Excellent "accountability" there, my man.

But why do you automatically assume she wouldn't want me? Because women have too high standards, as I've been saying all along. You know it too, otherwise why would you be writing off someone you've never even seen and know little about from being able to get someone like that? I'm sure if I lived a successful, lavish life (on the edge of course) and you were aware of it, you'd think differently about that.

Just a gut feeling from some of your ramblings about how dating and being attracted to someone works. If you were doing well in the dating dept, happy with the tail you're scoring, you wouldn't be brewing up such anger on the topic. I could be wrong...that's always a possibility. I hope I am, because what I'm thinking made me sad and feel sorry for you. I don't even mean that in a nasty way, I'm serious. However, you haven't made assumptions about me and for that, I thank you. It is quite annoying when people you've never met draw an entire conclusion based on something you wrote online. I can't tell you how many assumptions about me have been wrong, So I will say this with unabashed certainty: I could very well be wrong in my assessment of your dating life. However, regardless of your personal situation (and you do seem to be a bit naïve about how the laws of attraction work,) I'm not wrong about one thing: If you (or any man) doesn't want to settle for an average woman; what makes you think women want to settle for an average man? People end up with someone in their own league. Average people end up together. Above average people end up together. I'm not just talking about looks. Looks, personality, youth, money-- all play into the laws of attraction. Combine a person's scores in all those areas and you'll end up with their dating "worth" (yes it's degrading AF but that's life.) The 6's end up with a 5-7. Yeah, people tend to end up with their equal or one degree away from their equal. Not two or more jumps away. There have been studies done on this. Maybe one day I'll care enough to post links. If you want a Brooklyn Decker type, there's no way around it: You're gonna have to be awesome enough in some capacity or in every capacity to contend with the other men going for her. I don't know where these men got the idea from that the essence of them, sans good looks or money, will be enough. Over-codding mother? Too much time in fantasy land? (virtual world, video games, movies, etc)? I'm not sure but it's foolishness.

I guess that means successful hot guys (with an edge) and hot girls are the only ones who find happiness with anyone,

There's another type of person who can find happiness: those with the ability to honestly self-assess, who manage their expectations and decide to be happy...instead of waiting for happiness to happen to them.

You think guys need to shoot lower, which means going for someone they don't find all that attractive.

Don't shoot for lower than yourself. Shoot for equal to yourself.
If you had it your way, the woman would be shooting lower. I know in your warped reality, women are undervalued but don't expect it to translate to the actual world.

Sounds to me more like the key to happiness is never actually getting what you hoped for, but sucking it up and settling for much worse. Real winner there.

Being realistic...it's not really your thing, is it... 

Let me ask you a question. If a kid has a 2.5 gpa and wants to get into Harvard, what would you tell him? He's in the first semester of senior year, way too late to bring that gpa up much. What's your advice to this little engine that could? (and please don't bring up the movie Rudy, you've seen too many movies as it is, that's your problem, kid.)

And by your logic, no one could be happy at CSU or any other university because it's not ivy league! There's no happiness when you're settling for less than what you hoped for...now is there...?

All your life you're gonna hope for one thing, but probably have to settle for less, in all realms. Dating, work, college, eBay. You make do. You get over it. You make happiness happen. Again, some "accountability" for your own happiness 

Do they now? Does this happen with any guy who isn't a celebrity?

Yes.

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

This is all about "nice guys finishing last." So I said, self proclaimed nice guys aren't actually nice guys. You defended not actually being a nice guy by saying that women reject the nice guys, leaving those men with no other choice but to not be nice guys. Blaming women for whatever it is that you do.

Lets get one thing straight, 99% of guys out there are going to have to find their own partner. I don't know what you're on when you say some women do go for it, but that doesn't happen. Nonetheless, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say 99% of men (instead of the more accurate 100%) have to find their own partner. It's not going to come any other way, and if women don't find them appealing as a nice guy, then unfortunately for guys, they're left with little other option than to sour things up a bit. It's either that, or never get anything at all, and I know you're going to say they won't get anything being a jerk but you know what? It's no worse than being nice. A lot of guys will even say they started getting women when they just stopped caring.

However, regardless of your personal situation (and you do seem to be a bit naïve about how the laws of attraction work,) I'm not wrong about one thing: If you (or any man) doesn't want to settle for an average woman; what makes you think women want to settle for an average man? People end up with someone in their own league. Average people end up together. Above average people end up together. I'm not just talking about looks. Looks, personality, youth, money-- all play into the laws of attraction.

So what's a guy to do when there's seemingly no female equal? Or if there is any, they're not interested in settling for him? Is he still supposed to shoot lower? Give up altogether?

There's another type of person who can find happiness: those with the ability to honestly self-assess, who manage their expectations and decide to be happy...instead of waiting for happiness to happen to them.

Trouble with that is, if it involves other people there's always a lot you won't be able to help. Sure, you can self-assess. Sure, you can manage your expectations. But when the bulk of what's to follow beyond that relies on the willingness and cooperation of someone else, it might put a little strain on the happiness part.

What's your advice to this little engine that could? (and please don't bring up the movie Rudy, you've seen too many movies as it is, that's your problem, kid.)

Kid? You alluded earlier that you've made some assumptions about me, and you're right about one thing. I've never done that with you. I'm curious though, what must be going through that head of yours?

There's no happiness when you're settling for less than what you hoped for...now is there...?

Not really, no. There's being complacent and content, maybe, but you're always going to be thinking about the "what if's?" and "if only's". And if it's women then it's just going to be "if only's" because there's no hope there.

Yes.

I doubt it.

[–] doggie_rodriguez 9 years ago

If you (or any man) doesn't want to settle for an average woman; what makes you think women want to settle for an average man?

I love it when men complain about not being able to get the "hot chick" b/c the hot chick is too shallow.......failing to realize they are just as shallow for going for the shallow hot chick in the first place.

[–] toastygoodness 9 years ago

Is Amy supposed to be "fat" - you're kidding right? Whoah, she may not have the typical model attributes but she looks fit and yes, nothing like Emma Stone or Keira Knightly but for *beep* sake, if we saw those gals in real life, we would all want to feed them hard!

I wasn't aware she wrote this movie until the end and I was pretty blown away by the entire execution of the script.

She was adorable. This film is a keeper, its going onto big things, major cinematic success and long term love.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

if women don't find them appealing as a nice guy, then unfortunately for guys, they're left with little other option than to sour things up a bit. It's either that, or

...or adjust their standards so that they DO get the girls they go for.

I might also say you could put into place a self improvement plan so you're good enough for the women you want, but that's not entirely fair, I don't think...

A lot of guys will even say they started getting women when they just stopped caring.

Stopped caring isn't the same as being a jerk.

So what's a guy to do when there's seemingly no female equal? Or if there is any, they're not interested in settling for him? Is he still supposed to shoot lower? Give up altogether?

Pardon all clichés but.. just wait for the right one to come along, and enjoy being single in the mean time 

Or post angry, slightly misogynistic rants on imdb 

But when the bulk of what's to follow beyond that relies on the willingness and cooperation of someone else, it might put a little strain on the happiness part.

Fair enough, but all I'm saying is don't go for a 9 unless you're the male counterpart to a 9. I don't know you, but I've known the 'Nice guys finish last' sort and they're always chasing a smoking hot girl who has 0 interest in them, they delude themselves into thinking her random displays of kindness are glimmers of hope (which they're not,) they let it make them bitter and angry and then to boot--they almost always have a nice, less attractive girl chasing them..They think they're too good for her. Or, maybe she's not chasing them but they could probably get her but turn their nose up at her. I have an overweight but nice friend. She's a solid catch. Educated, high earning, ambitious, has almost 6 figures saved up to buy a house... my husband has an overweight friend with 0 money in savings. His friend turned down my friend! Meanwhile, his friend chases 21 year olds with kids who use him for money (which he doesn't have.) Then the real laugh is men who complain about women taking their money after divorce. Yeah, maybe if you had gone for substance over youth and beauty you wouldn't have a judge kicking your a--. No sympathy from me.

There's being complacent and content, maybe, but you're always going to be thinking about the "what if's?" and "if only's".

Okay then here's your choices. You're not gonna like it:

Option A: Settle for less than your fantasy. That's not sad, btw, that's just called life. Settle for a woman who is your counterpart. This is better, trust me. Even if you win the lottery and score the hot girl, you're gonna be kissing her butt and sweating bullets that she'll leave you one day. Complacency is the key to happiness. Focus on what is wonderful about your partner (the one you could get,) instead of letting your head be turned by what else is out there (that you couldn't get.)

Option B: Keep reaching for the stars and being disappointed when you don't reach them.

Option C: Improve yourself so that you're of the quality that the girls you're seeking are seeking. This is difficult and possibly even impossible, and even if you achieve it you may have self esteem/trust issues in which you feel like your partner doesn't love you for you.

-There is a 4th possibility that I alluded to in Option A: Yes its' always possible that you'll land the super model, but it's rare...rare like winning the lottery "But Ben in marketing won the lottery so that's a great thing to strive for..." yeah, the odds are astronomically stacked against you but if you want to waste your life on far reaches, best of luck.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

Is Amy supposed to be "fat" - you're kidding right? Whoah, she may not have the typical model attributes but she looks fit and yes, nothing like Emma Stone or Keira Knightly but for *beep* sake, if we saw those gals in real life, we would all want to feed them hard!

I wasn't aware she wrote this movie until the end and I was pretty blown away by the entire execution of the script.

She was adorable. This film is a keeper, its going onto big things, major cinematic success and long term love.

I agree.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

I love it when men complain about not being able to get the "hot chick" b/c the hot chick is too shallow.......failing to realize they are just as shallow for going for the shallow hot chick in the first place.

Bingo

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

...or adjust their standards so that they DO get the girls they go for.

You really have no grasp of just how difficult it can be to get a girl do you? Of course you don't, you are one. You just sit back and once the guy you desire comes along you let it unfold (spare me the "I'm an exception to that" story).

Stopped caring isn't the same as being a jerk.

Pretty close. Guys will say once they stopped caring what girls thought, or stopped trying to impress them, that's when one magically came along. That kind of attitude can easily venture into jerk territory.

Pardon all clichés but.. just wait for the right one to come along, and enjoy being single in the mean time

Again, you really have no idea do you? Oh, and just in case you weren't already aware, the "right one" doesn't exist. Some people get lucky, some people don't. Some men have all the 'right' qualities and features that all women require before they dare give you a moment. Others not a hope.

I don't know you, but I've known the 'Nice guys finish last' sort and they're always chasing a smoking hot girl who has 0 interest in them, they delude themselves into thinking her random displays of kindness are glimmers of hope (which they're not,) they let it make them bitter and angry and then to boot--they almost always have a nice, less attractive girl chasing them..They think they're too good for her. Or, maybe she's not chasing them but they could probably get her but turn their nose up at her.

Hmm, well, no fat/less attractive girl to act as a weak substitute here. Ain't that a shame...

Meanwhile, his friend chases 21 year olds with kids who use him for money (which he doesn't have.)

Wow, does he actually succeed? Now there's a guy worth taking advice from...maybe not so much the kids part. Girls with no baggage would be more ideal, especially when they have a tendency to create it themselves. Who needs more?

Settle for less than your fantasy. That's not sad, btw, that's just called life. Settle for a woman who is your counterpart. This is better, trust me.

Oh you make it sound so simple...

[–] taijiquan12 9 years ago

@Jupiter555555:

I haven't actually seen this movie, was just on here to get information about it and make up my mind if I wanted to or not, and found this thread. After reading through it and seeing the back and forth between you and the guy, I have to say that your main point about dating and the problems men face seems to be that men should lower their standards, which I hear often when it comes to men.

Do you honestly feel that women often have to lower their standards? Or are told to? I myself have known women that expect Disney prince style men: handsome, wealthy, and with a lot of power and influence, with little of those qualities themselves. I think much of what you're saying about these unrealistic men can be applied to women as well.

I also have to disagree about women making the first move on a man they find attractive in all the areas they're interested in. If you're in the Western world at least, I can tell you that just isn't our culture and just isn't how relationships and dating happens, for the most part.
If you're a single man waiting for women to make the first move, you'll do exactly that, wait. You could easily go out into social situations every day for a year, meet many people, do many things, get exposed to many different people, and not get asked out by a woman once. I think that on a long enough social timeline, most women who regularly go to bars, clubs, other activities etc. with men around will get asked out at least once. I myself don't know of any men (other than friends I have who lie and exaggerate haha) that have been asked out by women, and I have plenty of male friends with functional relationships (that they of course started!).

I would observe that many women want the feeling of being chased or valued by a man stepping forward to make the first move. Then there's the preoccupation with "confidence", which, I can tell you as a man is seemingly the only thing women care about, if you talk to other women. Any and all female friends my whole life have always told me I needed more confidence to be successful in dating, but I somehow think me not being attractive to women in general (for many other factors other than simply just confidence) is more of the culprit! I mean, couldn't one of these "neckbeards" you talk about have confidence? An inflated, pumped up ego that causes him to make the first move?
I sometimes get the feeling that when women talk about a man with "confidence", this man they're imagining is never really a fat, dumpy, poorly dressed guy either haha!

But I digress, the main advice you're giving the guy seems to be that he needs to lower his standards, and that without a woman in his life, he'll be miserable and angry and whatever. If that's true for him, I feel bad for him then, and think that of all things is exactly what he would most have to address, not actually finding a relationship.

I think you should date someone or get into a relationship because you actually want to be with that person, not because you're "settling" for them or they were all that's available. What a depressing concept. Where's your idea of romance? My parents were and still are attracted to each other and have stayed together for over 30 years, so, sorry Jupiter555555, it is possible for a man and woman to actually be attracted to each other, not have to "settle", consider their partner everything they want, and love each other all in one!
You unfortunately might not have any examples of this in your life, but I know I can observe several in my own.

The idea of being with someone just to be with someone is, to me, a part of the reason why many relationships probably don't work. In those cases I think the people involved should've learned to be single, instead of settling for less like you're advocating.

It might not be easy, but self worth and validation can come from a variety of subjects in life, not just romantic or sexual relationships. It can be difficult to train yourself to think this way, but really, it's just a matter of learning to value everything in your life you probably take for granted, and not holding another person hostage with the burden of making you feel good. I think you can find happiness and acceptance in yourself, and I think that's arguably more important than finding happiness from someone else, because it empowers you and doesn't give the responsibility of your happiness solely to another. Again, I'm not saying that if you live this way someone else can't or should not make you happy, just that I think it's liberating to know that you can function as a single person and still have many great experiences. This is what has worked for me, and what I always try to tell my other fellow single guys I know!

Also...sorry for the rant, but judging from the length of some of the posts in this thread, it's not exactly out of place! 😀

"Bulls**t MR.Han Man!!"--Jim Kelly in Enter the Dragon 

[–] Jupiter555555 8 years ago

You and I have had very different experiences. I am in the western world too and I know for a fact girls hit on guys all the time. They're usually guys that rate a 9 or 10 though.

I didn't tell that poster that he'd be miserable without love. Quite the opposite. I told him he'd have to lower his standards if he keeps getting shot down by the girls he chooses and in the meantime enjoy being single instead of letting it make him bitter and resentful.

[–] doggie_rodriguez 9 years ago

They give a woman a starring role in a TV series and her own movie, complete with promo posters and all, and you weirdos think, "Oh so I'm supposed to think that's hot now???" NO! You're supposed to accept the fact that some find her funny and are entertained by her and hence she has a career in the entertainment industry. That's it. Any other subliminal messages is just you reading WAY TOO MUCH into it... It's also proof that it's hardwired in the American psyche to see a woman and immediately judge her on f-ability. It's like Pavlov's dog. You see a woman and instantly take to critiquing her appearance and assume that's the point of her being in front of you. Just consider for a moment that no one is telling you to find Schumer attractive...they're just telling you to accept her as having a career in comedy. You don't have to like her comedy, you don't even have to watch it! But that's all you're being forced to accept. Your dating choices are still 100% your own and no one is trying to take that away from you.

The correct response to this is "You are right." 

If people don't think she's funny, that's fine. It's not her job to be hot. It's her job to be funny.

[–] LukeLovesFilm28 9 years ago

I don't know if its a rage against women so much as it is a rage against the attitude that comes with it. These women don't give a sh!t what men want or find attractive. All that matters to these women is what makes themselves feel better inside. They can get extremely selfish and hostile. We're not here to constantly uplift women and make them feel better about being fat. We can't. That's a full time job. Believe it or not, maintaining a healthy body is NOT a full time job. It means eating right and exercising for 2 hours. That's it!

[–] dl4060 (58) 5 years ago

That is actually a pretty spot on statement Luke.

Personally I don't hate anyone for being fat. I would not consider Amy fat, she just does not look like a physical specimen. The camera tends to add some weight, so she is probably thinner in person.

The issue is that for many women, they seem to NEED men to think Amy is hot because they want to be validated. If someone wants to eat an okay diet, work out moderately for 1/2 hour 3 times a week, and look like Amy, or the male equivalent of Amy, that is fine. I really don't care. I live in Newport Beach, and if you are a man who wants women to think he looks good you are going to have to work VERY hard. The same goes for women. The issue is that many women have a need for men to validate them. That's the problem. If you don't want to make a serious commitment to fitness, that is fine, as long as you are not unhealthy. Just don't expect men, or women, to find you hot. That is what this all boils down to.

For the record, I really don't think Amy is pushing herself as a sex symbol.

I read somewhere that the 'average' woman these days is 5'3" and 180 pounds. I am really not sure how they got they figure, so I can't comment on the veracity of it, but if that is the normal weight for a woman in this country, well that is pretty fat.

[–] LukeLovesFilm28 9 years ago

I understand the biological angle. But I don't approve when these pro-fat feminists shame healthy women for trying to influence women to eat more healthy.

[–] doggie_rodriguez 9 years ago

Because women who are over 125lbs tend to be fat

Have you heard of this new thing called "height"?
Have you heard of this other new thing called "muscles"?

Yes, these things matter.

Anyway, please continue with your ignorant hypocritical rants. 

[–] cutty2000 9 years ago

There is actually an episode of Louie that discusses this a little bit, in an excellent monologue delivered by 'the fat chick' he's on a date with.

My take on the issue is this:

There are two types of men that overly focus on weight and fat shaming women, and their reasons for doing so are different. The first type I'm going to call "the 80's homecoming king." He is generally attractive, in a very traditionally 'alpha' way...strong jaw, reasonably attractive face, well toned body. These are the guys that 'only date 10's'. Physically active, aggressive, not very bright. These men join frats, roofie women at parties, chant "no means yes, yes means anal", that kind of thing. These men are entirely devoid of a tolerable personality, their status is maintained PURELY based on physical traits. Because all of their value is derived from their physicality, they have a vested interest in maintaining the pecking order, in other words, making sure that everyone else also judges the merit of a person based on physical traits. This is why they bully and shame people that don't fit their standards...they have to maintain the social order that keeps them on the top. I called this guy "80's" for a reason...as the movie 21 Jump Street cleverly highlighted, this archetype is rapidly diminishing (at least in blue states). You won't find this guy posting much on the Internet, as he's too busy "crushing it, broh" to be bothered with imdb forums. This is the guy all these MRA/MGTOW doucheschooners think they are.

The second type of person that goes full rage mode when confronted with a 'fat' woman like Amy, I'm going to call "your typical MRA/MGTOW doucheschooner". This guy has never connected with women, he's unattractive and uninteresting. Any woman considered very attractive by traditional patriarchal standards won't give him the time of day. Maybe he got bullied in high school, maybe he was the bully. Either way, since his standards of what is attractive are based purely in physicality (like our first guy), he is unable to hook up with women he considers attractive. All that's left to him are the 'fatties', and he couldn't be more bitter about it. If only all these fat pigs got into shape, I wouldn't have to turn the lights off anymore, he thinks. Since this guy himself is probably a little overweight, and he has a lot of time on his hands (being a basement dwelling virgin), he gets on the Internet and embarks on his rage filled fat skewering campaign.

The point is that normal, well adjusted men don't feel the need to shame others based on their physical appearance. They have standards of attractiveness that extend beyond physical attributes.

The way she puts it on Louie is something like "the really attractive guys, they treat me like a human being. Hell, they'll even flirt with me a little bit, they're so secure with themselves. But the ugly guys? The chubby guys? They are terrified that society will look at them, they'll look at me, and think "yeah, those two belong together."

Their rage is a reflection of their own shortcomings.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

The second type of person that goes full rage mode when confronted with a 'fat' woman like Amy, I'm going to call "your typical MRA/MGTOW doucheschooner". This guy has never connected with women, he's unattractive and uninteresting. Any woman considered very attractive by traditional patriarchal standards won't give him the time of day. Maybe he got bullied in high school, maybe he was the bully. Either way, since his standards of what is attractive are based purely in physicality (like our first guy), he is unable to hook up with women he considers attractive. All that's left to him are the 'fatties', and he couldn't be more bitter about it. If only all these fat pigs got into shape, I wouldn't have to turn the lights off anymore, he thinks. Since this guy himself is probably a little overweight, and he has a lot of time on his hands (being a basement dwelling virgin), he gets on the Internet and embarks on his rage filled fat skewering campaign.

The point is that normal, well adjusted men don't feel the need to shame others based on their physical appearance. They have standards of attractiveness that extend beyond physical attributes.

The way she puts it on Louie is something like "the really attractive guys, they treat me like a human being. Hell, they'll even flirt with me a little bit, they're so secure with themselves. But the ugly guys? The chubby guys? They are terrified that society will look at them, they'll look at me, and think "yeah, those two belong together."

Their rage is a reflection of their own shortcomings.

This is brilliant. 

To build on your excellent points...
The funny thing is, they may try to encourage the women they're left with to shape up, but once she does, she'll be out of his league 

Also, do you feel that a lot of them genuinely think that women "should" be in better shape than them? That's the impression that I get. These chubby guys know they're out of shape, but they think that's okay for them...it's not okay for women. Probably influenced by tv and movies. Then they justify it by saying "well we HAVE to be attracted to her, it's biology" and, "I've seen so many real life rlshps where the woman is much better looking than the guy." Of course they don't want to acknowledge the second half of that--he usually has money. They deny that, saying that makes a woman a whore, etc. For some reason they just have it in their heads that women must look a certain way, it's a double standard that doesn't apply to them, and that's just the way it is... 

[–] doggie_rodriguez 9 years ago

(being a basement dwelling virgin)

Hey! That's my line!

Your post was great. I anxiously await being called one of your socks. 

*EDIT: Oh wow, look who is on ignore......yet keeps responding to me.....while accusing me of stalking. 

[–] Final_Hitokiri 9 years ago

I anxiously await being called one of your socks.

Why would you care, you just put them on ignore anyway?

[–] LukeLovesFilm28 9 years ago

Funny. In my experience in all the years I was fat (not just overweight), it's women that judge men based on their appearance far more harshly than men judge women. You know the old saying. Men will stick it in a fireplug if it shows interest.

[–] drew_atreides 9 years ago

Personally i don't think i've ever seen or experienced what you're talking about. Men getting MAD over a woman's weight.

If you're wondering why there is so much Amy Schumer hate: I think it is because the hollywood machine has decided that she is the IT girl that they are going to force down our throats and love her, dammit!

But there's nothing appealing about her at all. She's not funny. She's not pretty. She comes across as incredibly overrated, and its annoying. The Hollywood machine is completely out of touch with the general public on this one, and it gets annoying after awhile.

"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

[–] cutty2000 9 years ago

Spend 5 minutes on this board, you'll see plenty of examples.

As far as the rest of your post goes...hogwash. This isn't 1992, there aren't 4 channels on TV. There are THOUSANDS of channels on TV, thousands of shows, thousands of movies. The Internet exists, you can craft whatever experience you want, join whatever communities you want...IGNORE anything you don't want. To claim that 'Hollywood' is 'forcing' Schumer down your throat is ridiculous, in the literal sense. Hundreds of carbon copy pretty faced clones get paraded in front of us, 'forced' on us, as you put it, and you decide to single out one hilarious chick who just happens to be 20 pounds heavier than you're comfortable with?

Douuuuuuuuuuche. It is you who are out of touch with the rest of us.

[–] drew_atreides 9 years ago

"The Internet exists, you can craft whatever experience you want, join whatever communities you want...IGNORE anything you don't want. To claim that 'Hollywood' is 'forcing' Schumer down your throat is ridiculous, in the literal sense."

That' the thing, though!

They have managed to get Schumer in LITERALLY EVERYWHERE! I don't go looking for her, she just pops up! I log onto IMDB, and there is a link for an Amy Schumer/Jennier Lawrence vanity project. I am reading an article about Jon Stewart leaving the Daily Show: BAM Amy Schumer is there!

She's very much like Apatow's last pet-project, Lena Dunham. I think maybe the guy is just a master of the media push.

"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

The Hollywood machine is completely out of touch with the general public on this one, and it gets annoying after awhile.

Then why was her movie a hit? I think some guys, like yourself, are just so accustomed to Hollywood being geared for you that you cant handle someone against type getting a push.

Hollywood has long been run by men for men. Someone finally realized there's a broader audience out there who also buy tickets to movies.

The thing is, there's plenty of room for everybody. Instead of there being 12 male-centric movies released each year, there will probably be 8 or 9 now..is that really so bad??? Why can't you just focus on them instead of expelling hate at the ones you can't relate to? I don't get it.

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[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

True.

[–] Final_Hitokiri 9 years ago

You can't possibly know the size of every male member on the planet.

There are around 7.3 billion people in the world. Half of that population are male, so 3.65 billion. Let's take out another 1 billion because some of those males are minors and we don't want to skew stats like you do.

So 2.65 billion. You measured the length of 2.65 billion males?

Assuming they were all lined up and you had your tape measurer with you... and you measured at the rate of 1 male per 30 seconds (excluding the fact that you wouldn't be able to stimulate all of them) it would take you 1,325,000,000 minutes to measure all of them.

That's 920,138.9 days
or 131,448.4 weeks
or 302,531.1 months
or 2,519.3 years.

[–] Browser_ 9 years ago

Let me correct you there. Fit women are often labeled as "skinny" in an effort to shame them for taking care of themselves. It's kind of like how they call fat women "curvy" which is ridiculous and laughable in itself. You see, the modern world is all about making fat women feel good about themselves. Guys who like "skinny" women want what's best for their penis. Yes, shame on men for actually liking what's attractive.

[–] bigdaddyboxmeal 9 years ago

The correct answer to this is that it DOESN'T make men mad when women weigh more than 125lbs. You've created a situation that, by and large, is false. The type of men who have issues with that aren't representative of the whole.

I'd also assert that in this day & age women and men are equally as judgemental of each other's looks. Women probably put more pressure on other women (by way of magazine and online media) to look good than men do.

[–] mrbwiz422 9 years ago

What sort of dream world are you living in?

It doesn't make a guy mad. Just like it doesn't make a women mad that a guy's overweight. We just mostly dislike overweight people, both sexes. Don't act like it's just something men do and how we're all so terrible.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

What sort of dream world are you living in?

It doesn't make a guy mad. Just like it doesn't make a women mad that a guy's overweight. We just mostly dislike overweight people, both sexes. Don't act like it's just something men do and how we're all so terrible.

Whoops sorry to offend. I didn't mean it that way at all, I'm honestly just perplexed because it seems to me that there's an underlining hostility in their comments about the weight of women should it dare be above 130 pounds... Not all men, obviously.. but of the ones who do act that way, I'm wondering why. And your theory about how overweight people in general are disliked doesn't really apply here because those same men I'm referring to, usually wouldn't care at all if a dude is overweight or at least not until he's twice the BMI of a woman they'd readily condemn.

[–] moviefan098 9 years ago

Nope, not at all. It's simply that women are completely useless to men if not for sex or affection. Men are usually not nice to other men online neither. We talk a lot of sht online because other men online are useless to us too. So don't act like women are being *beep* on more than men are. If you are an unnattractive woman online, nobody gives a sht about you so you don't get any special finesse. that's all. Also 125lb isnt fat, don't set the bar so low to make yourself feel better. I bet you're like 150lbs. I know because a 120lb woman would never be treated badly enough to be irritated by this.

[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

Nope, not at all. It's simply that women are completely useless to men if not for sex or affection. Men are usually not nice to other men online neither. We talk a lot of sht online because other men online are useless to us too. So don't act like women are being *beep* on more than men are. If you are an unnattractive woman online, nobody gives a sht about you so you don't get any special finesse. that's all. Also 125lb isnt fat, don't set the bar so low to make yourself feel better. I bet you're like 150lbs. I know because a 120lb woman would never be treated badly enough to be irritated by this.

I was treated badly when I was 138 pounds at 5'5.

At any rate, it's sad if what you said is true--the only use you have in life is for a woman who can get your rocks off. You have a sex addiction problem if that's the case and should seek treatment. It will interfere with your family life, friends and career.

In reality, normal men have use for other men, women they don't want to bone, children, animals, books, summertime and a wide array of other interests that don't directly involve their d-ks.

[–] moviefan098 9 years ago

holy sht. are you for real? children? grown men have use for children? what in the fck. pray tell, what does grown men get from the children of other people? are you a pedo?

at 135 and 5 5, you were not fat and that was not why you were treated badly. maybe your is ugly or you have a horrible personality.