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Hey guys,

We're the filmmaking team behind CIRCLE and figured we'd start a thread to chat with people who had seen the movie and wanted to share theories or ask questions. Assume this will have spoilers, so if you haven't seen the film yet, read at your own risk!

Thanks,

Team Circle

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Well, that's nice of you, I'll use this opportunity. I've made a thread here about a theory of mine concerning the start of the film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3118452/board/thread/249661659
I'd like to know what you guys think about it and if maybe you could confirm or refute it.

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First I just want to say, thanks for checking out the film! I like this theory a lot, though I'm sorry to report that the Aliens had nothing to do with the first guy's death, or ANY death for that matter... Not directly, anyway.

The aliens were 100% hands off this entire exercise, once the players begin the game. The machine they're in has rules - Don't move, Don't touch anyone, etc. - But it's all automated. Their goal was to let the humans decide who should survive... Any interference on their part would taint the proceedings completely.

Whatever mechanism the aliens used to sedate the players after abduction made their memory foggy. Like any drug, it affects everyone differently. Some people wake up before others. Some people remember more from the time before and during sedation. Man 1 was one of those people. He remembered they had been abducted. He remembered the ships. When the Teenage Girl asks where they are, his response is "where do you think?" He knows what's going on, at least on some level. His awareness would have been an asset to the game... had a random vote not taken him down. In some ways, it's unfair that the rules weren't told to the players ahead of time. Though really, we don't always know all the rules before we play in the real world, either.

From a storytelling perspective, it was important to us to establish that no one's safe in this group and that valuable people often do not get the chance to live up to their potential. Players are frantic, closing their hands, shouting, not realizing that they're choosing others around the circle for death. In this early stage, it would only take two votes...

For us, Man 1 was, in many ways, an example to the players and to the audience that all bets were off.

-Mario

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Alright, thanks ! I liked the movie a lot, for proof I created a IMDB account just to discuss it here..

So basically I was right when I said Man 1 knew a little more than most along with the survivor, but he was just killed by random bad luck, okay that's fine. Though I can't help but feel sorry for the others who killed off their most valuable asset without even knowing it. Had he lived a little longer the College Guy strategy would have been rewarded.

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For sure it's unfortunate that he got killed, for both him AND the others. We wanted him to feel like a heroic character who didn't have the opportunity to be a hero. But that's true of all the early deaths, including the man and woman who accidentally stepped off of their spots. Potential wasted simply because they didn't know any better.

It's great to hear that you liked it. It's not a traditional movie in a lot of ways and so we never really knew what to expect when we started putting it out there, but it's been really gratifying that people like it enough to have discussions about it afterwards.

Thanks!

-Mario

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Hy, guys, i really enjoy the movie. Saw on Netflix. But i would know what was your intention to put the kind of flashback in the final of the film. When the winner goes out the ship we see flashes from when he was in the ship saying the rules. I didn't understand why you put this, because was pretty clear without those flashback what was the rules.

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Same here. I really liked the movie. And even more after reading this Mario comment. But I didn't understand that flashback too.

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I wonder if that wasn't his first time in one of those murder circles?

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Hey that's awesome your taking the time to answer people.

I'm giving the movie a 10, I rate on enjoyment as essentially that's what I'm looking for when I turn on the TV.

It also has kept me thinking about physiology afterwords.


SPOILER BELOW
But please give me one hint. The group our survivor came across, we're they other survivors or just people waiting to play (or hadn't played).
SPOILER ABOVE

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Thank you, that's really kind.

The group of people waiting outside were all other survivors of other circles. The "winners" of their own ordeals.

-Mario

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I just watched it :)

When I saw the ending it looked like the group of people on the street were a new batch ready to be taken up for a game. I took the trance they were in (staring at the ship) as a way the aliens lure people into a group before being taken. The guy in the end I thought was going in for another game and I thought "what are you crazy!", then the credits rolled and I came here lol. I didn't think they were survivors of different games at first.

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Yeah, think of their reactions as kind of PTSD/Shock, but they're definitely survivors.

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Just watched it on Netflix. I enjoyed it, but how come the unborn baby was still alive? Even if the mum was dead, the baby was still way out of the vicinity of the red circle. Surely that would've offed it?

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Thanks for watching!

The machine is automated... The red circles sense life, that's why you can't vote for empty spots or spots with dead bodies on them. No life, no engagement with the game. When the pregnant woman was killed, she was, as you said, knocked off her circle.

However, if you look at where she landed, she actually fell onto ANOTHER circle, one that used to belong to a neighbor. She landed in such a way that the baby was positioned just over it. The machine has a set of parameters it follows. Life signs off the circle, it fires. Life on a circle, it continues its cycle. Sensing life on two circles after a round ends, Eric and the baby, the machine triggers a tie. Not realizing that one of those lives is an unborn child without a vote.

It's a bit twisted, admittedly, but we wanted to explore a few things with this route, including forcing Eric to justify and face one final decision against an "innocent" non-participant within the circle. It also gave us an opportunity to go a little more in depth about how the machine works. The automation is an important characteristic - Who lives and who dies was ALWAYS in the hands of the players, even when they didn't realize it. The machine just helped keep things moving along.

You're right, though. Had she fallen in another direction or off the circle entirely, no tie would have been activated. The machine would have fired again on her fallen body and finished the job before the round got very far.

-Mario

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I'm curious whether the minor pro-life theme was intentional or not, with the unborn fetus counting as a "life" to the machine?

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I think the fact that she was so far along in her pregnancy takes it out of the pro choice/life debate. I would consider myself pro choice most times but there's no debating that a foetus at that stage of development would be definitely alive and kicking and deserve the right to live.
It's an interesting point you bring up though, I wonder if the undertone would have been more pointed if she had been at a much earlier stage of pregnancy

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I agree, I think that if she was less pregnant and perhaps conflicted about the child's fate, it would have ventured far more into "abortion" commentary.

And as noted above, the mother wanted to keep the child, so really the baby's death is simply murder.

Still, this question was something we were definitely aware of when developing this last scene and decided we just wanted to present the scenario as is and let the viewer determine what's right or wrong.

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Loved your film, it reminds a lot of Exam (2009). Rating a 9 just cause Eric is such a *beep* really, giving my life for 2 is a no-brainer in such a case, it's interesting that you guys showed pregnant women as survivors for that reason.

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the guy vs. baby scenario ventures into the pro-choice/pro-life debate regardless, because americans are so uptight on this issue anyway. as if winning the argument that a baby is a "life" from the moment of conception, even means that they've won their argument that it has just as much right to live as the mother.

i think very few scientists would disagree that a baby is a "life" from the moment of conception. life happens essentially in any organism from the moment that its cells begin the replicate themselves. that's life. identifying a baby as a life from the moment of conception doesn't inherently grant that baby inalienable rights as any other citizen, which is what the pro-lifers try to argue.

that baby - while alive - is still completely dependent organically on the mother, which is the reason she has a right to determine her own fate and the fate of the dependent life growing inside her, not anyone else. Once that life becomes independent of the mother, new story. Now it has rights as an independent citizen and human being.

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We actually were very aware that going this route with the unborn fetus in the tie could and would be perceived by some people as being "pro-life," or a commentary on abortion in general, but I can confirm it wasn't our intention to make it a theme of the film or really comment on it one way or the other.

Just as there may seem to be pro-life themes, I think you could arguably make the same case for "pro-choice," as the fetus, despite being quite developed, still clearly cannot survive without the mother so Eric voting again may seem like a no-brainer.

Ultimately, we were more interested in putting Eric into a tie that may be harder for him to justify voting in... Unlike some of the other players, is a baby arguably a "pure" life since it hasn't yet had a chance to be corrupted by ideas and culture?

Also, considering the pregnant woman wanted to keep the child, the baby's death would TECHNICALLY be considered "murder."

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all the death decisions they made were murder by referendum.

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Exactly. As more than one character points out - They're ALL murderers. Well... unless someone didn't vote at all...

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Hi Circle team! Really enjoyed the movie, but I don't understand the ending and some additional background information. Can you expand on it a bit for me? Are the survivors at the end expected to rebuild civilization? Also, why are the aliens pruning down the number of humans on earth? What's their motivation?

How were groups chosen by the aliens? It clearly wasn't totally random, but they weren't all from the same area.

And please choose your target between the following scenarios:

1) Lesbian vs. Cancer survivor
2) Red suspenders guy vs. sweater vest banker
3) 'Illegal' immigrant vs silent guy

ALSO ... Do you have any fun stories from casting? :)

Thanks for coming on here ... how cool is it to run across this thread RIGHT after watching the movie ;)

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Hi! And Thanks for watching!

When talking about the motivation of the aliens, we have to look at what we know:


A) The aliens never kill anyone directly. They're giving the humans the mechanism to make this choice.

B) The aliens allow the winner of each circle to go back down to earth. This isn't a trap or a trick, they're really free (if they wanted to keep torturing them, they'd have left them locked up).

C) They don't destroy anything. The buildings around the survivors are very much intact.

D) The ships are moving away from the cities (very slightly noticeable at the end) and speeding up their spins. They're actually leaving.


So with all this in mind, it's clear they're not intent on destroying humanity completely. What if they're trying to save it? This is something we humans do all the time to animal species that have gotten out of control. What if the aliens wanted to give humanity a chance to start fresh, but didn't want to be the ones to randomly choose who was valuable as they don't know our societies and cultures. It's more "fair" of them to let the humans decide who deserves to start over in this new world.

As for the sorting of the humans in the ships after abductions, we don't know a lot about this time as most of the characters don't remember. Was Eric telling the truth about the red room? What about the old man who everyone thought was lying? I will say this, it's possible the aliens engaged in a little stereotyping of their own when determining who would go into each circle. Knowing that a circle made up of all the same kinds of people may not yield a very productive exercise (only one or two viewpoints represented when aliens are looking for OVERALL value), they may have sorted the humans so that each circle had several types of people, at least superficially, all given the opportunity to argue their place.

Essentially, the aliens most likely purposefully designed the circles to be microcosms of our society.

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As for my own choosing, I can't decide! (Though "red suspenders" - THE LAWYER - was really asking for it, huh?)

I think in playing the circle, we have to realize that sometimes it's beneficial to keep the crappy people alive. Lawyer and Rich Guy specifically drew ire away from other characters. If I was in the circle, I may keep them alive as long as I could, knowing that at some point they will self destruct (as they did.) I think this is why you see these characters last as long as they did in the film. This is arguably a very viable strategy in the real world, too, but I digress.

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As for fun stories, really the entire production was a lot of fun. Regarding the cast, one thing we really went out of our way to do was to cast a large number of diverse actors with a wide range of notoriety. We wanted actors who looked and felt like everyday people. A few recognizable names that we were big fans of, several character actors with years of experience, and many younger, newer actors who we felt were up to the challenge.

Filming was grueling but rewarding, it felt a lot like summer camp, with everyone laughing and having fun when the cameras weren't rolling. Saying goodbye to a handful of characters every day as you killed them off was really sad in a way. We shot in order, so 50 actors on set one day to 4 actors on set for Day 10 was a surreal experience.

Hope I answered your questions! Thanks for taking the time to ask them!

-Mario

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No, we just dug his audition!

-Mario

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So with all this in mind, it's clear they're not intent on destroying humanity completely. What if they're trying to save it? This is something we humans do all the time to animal species that have gotten out of control. What if the aliens wanted to give humanity a chance to start fresh, but didn't want to be the ones to randomly choose who was valuable as they don't know our societies and cultures. It's more "fair" of them to let the humans decide who deserves to start over in this new world.


Me personally, I think the alien's "trying to save" humans is really thrown out the window the second Eric killed the kid and mother and baby. Had Eric had some revelation after winning (which woudl probably be a movie all on its own) then maybe. But our only experience with a winner is a guy, who seemed to be a good guy, lied to 49 (cant' however many) other people convincingly, and was the one who pulled the trigger on killing the 3 most innocent people (or as far as we can tell, tricks the girl into killing herself prematurely and taking the mother's life) in the movie. As a result of their game, at least some deceptive people win. So there are some good people who are turned into murders and maybe liars, plus any winners that were bad people to begin with. Not really a storyline that makes a strong argument for a non-human race trying to save said human race. If anything, we only see the worst in what appear to be generally decent people with little to no redemption in the end other than they won their survival.

Perhaps the opposite is true? They want to drive them into chaos and our own eventual self destruction? They want to do it for their entertainment? Maybe both? Obviously any movie that has me thinking this much about what it all means, means you guys did a great job. Really enjoyed it!

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Thanks for watching!

We were very interested in exploring the idea of how we determine what in life is valuable and which citizens have value. Doesn't the human race need people who will make hard decisions in order to survive? In a new world, how much could a child and pregnant woman contribute. A pregnant woman and child might be symbolic of the future, but they're arguably an INVESTMENT that requires care and sacrifice in the present. As the Rich Man points out "the world has lots of babies," being young or pregnant in and of itself is not necessarily a laudable characteristic, or one that makes them more "worth" saving than Eric himself.

I think the case could be made both for and against what Eric did, which is why we ultimately went with this ending. Thanks again!

-Mario

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I could support u here, IF at the end scene we didn't have another PREGNANT WOMAN!

So?! o.O

I don't know, the thing for me was too much hard think someone who lies and killed a lot of people and than make a BIG lie to kill one KID and one PREGNANT WOMAN should survive?

Is too much for me :/

I loved the movie like I said, but at the end, the message is cruel.... But... Life is cruel, humans are cruel. So, perfect perception.

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What if they're trying to save it?


I agree with the other poster.

it's disappointing that you guys come up with that question that shows a very shallow perspective on your movie. I was expecting better.

you can't save humanity by keeping the worst of it which only this process allows.

i copy paste from a thread i made before seeing yours :

what is left of humanity after that "cleansing" process?

* a bunch of random uneducated kids that were lucky enough to end up at the end with selfless people
* a bunch of highly manipulative selfish individual that were smart enough to find their way through killing kids & pregnant women in the process without a blink.

it's not going to be heaven on earth after that, more likely hell with power struggles between those psychos with those remaining kids in the middle, victims, again.

there's no way anyone with values like love & selflessness & great leadership skills (great leader set example) would make it through.

There's no way this process can save humanity if you think deep about it, if you think deep about what is great about humanity & what should be saved of it in a let's save humanity process.

this process is twisted & sadistic & cannot save humanity. To believe otherwise is a confession that you guys are very ignorant of TRUE human nature & are totally lost in the consumerist paradigm.

maybe it would be good for your art that you study more of the reality of the universe & earth & humanity. burn your tv, burn your materialistic possession go experience life outside of the neocons globalisation box one year, two years, take as much time as required until you can think out of that conditioned box we live in.

before reading you it was a 7 or 8, now i've read your post, can't be more than a 5 because it's obviously not thought through all the way.

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A) The aliens never kill anyone directly.


this is a sick statement. it's just like saying after shooting someone "i didn't kill him it's the bullet"

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last but not least, you could maybe have hidden better the shallowness of the script by inverting the game & having people voting for who shall live rather than who shall die.

but then movie cannot last very long & it'd be hard to find a twist for the ending.

so yeah disappointing, shame.

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Your idea sucks. Also, you think the world, with its innovations and technology and where it is now, has not been so due to selfish yet smart individuals? That is pretty Niave. The thoughts behind the movie were great for me. And Eric, as bad as you think he may be, represents the kind of person that best survives in this world.

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Sad but true. It makes sense now why this only has a 6.0 rating.

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Completely agree. While most of the filmaking team's responses makes sense, this one absolutely DOES NOT! If the people did nothing and didn't result in anything and were free to go, then that would be a true statement. The fact that they are held hostage, and the Alien machine kills randomly every few minutes with no input means the Alien's do kill directly.

I challenge the film makers to abduct someone, put them under a machine that kills that person in a couple of minutes unless they act, and see if a jury doesn't find them guilty of "killing someone directly".

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The unspoken premise (unspoken in the movie) is that the aliens are culling humanity for what may well be altruistic reasons. They've chosen to wipe out 95% of the population, but want humanity to select the 5% who get to live.

It's not that the aliens were selecting based on sneakiness and selfishness. They were leaving the choice entirely up to humanity as a species. The survivors are chosen by the participants in each circle.

We like to think we'd make moral decisions for the greater good, but time and again our species rewards ruthlessness and cunning. It's a cynical view of humanity, but hardly a leap.

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How did you get to 5%? Did they say that in the movie?
It appears that 1 out of 50 survive the circle (excluding unborn), which would equal 2%. Did I miss something?

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Nope you're right & I'm wrong.

But while I've got your attention - you're right that it's murder by the aliens, but the filmmakers aren't trying to portray them as moral beings.

First and foremost, a lot remains deliberately ambiguous.

Secondly, the notion is simply that they're a more advanced life form culling our herd for our own good, entirely without our permission.

Interestingly, as the commentary and Eric's own rant at the end both confirm, the immorality of the aliens' actions kinda sorta justifies the immorality of Eric's actions.

Michael Nardelli (the actor playing Eric) specifically likens his character to Richard Hatch, who won "Survivor" by making alliances, breaking them, and in general being a sneaky guy.

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How the hell do people come up with the 5% figure? If one of every 50 people survive thats 2%.

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It's not "people." If you check the various threads, it's mostly me. My mistake.

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Hi Circle team!

Please explain me the ending.

Why would the Aliens want the ruthless person to survive ?

What was their whole point/motive in letting the humans play such a game ?

Are all humans that we see at the very end survivors of the circle game ?








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The aliens didn't "want" anyone to survive...they let the people decide for themselves. At the end, you see other survivors, and it seems pretty obvious that people in other ships chose to allow the young and the pregnant people to survive.

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Exactly!

-Mario

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why did the pregnant womans survived the others games? they should have to vote against the babies in the final round ? o not?

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Not necessarily...the machine only registered the one baby because it sensed life (the baby happened to fall on the circle). The technology seems to only care about who is on the circle, so once one circle was left, that was considered one person, and that one person won the game. I mean, how would the mother have voted against it?

There's always money in the banana stand.

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Exactly!

-Mario

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No, the machine works via each spot, not differentiating multiple lives on a spot. Pregnant woman and baby would have walked out alive if she was the last person standing...

-Mario

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The one person could have put one foot on someone else's circle while still touching there own. Then move the other leg over so that 2 people are standing on the same circle.

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yes, it did remind me of a giant game of Twister! But remember, with the strategy you mentioned you also have to be sure not to touch anyone. Also, it's arguable that it's not just touching the spot that registers life, but likely the entire vertical space above the spot. so if it's just your foot on there, it might not actually register you as being on any spot and juice you up before you fully shifted over to the next spot.

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Right, once the game begins, if you get at all close to another player, you're toast!

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Hmm, could be worth a shot, but the circles are quite small, I don't think they'd be able to do it without touching the other person, or getting close enough to trigger the penalty.

One thing to note is that the Circle gave the players 3 strikes. 3 chances to learn the rules before the game began, which the Teenage Girl used in the opening of the film (the warning lights and buzzer when she stepped off twice and touched another player. Once the game starts in earnest, you can't even attempt to touch another player without being killed, as shown by the "KILL THEM BOTH" guy being killed when he tries to push the girls off.

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Well, that's interesting. I now need to go back and watch the beginning so I can learn the rules as Teenage Girl does.

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Hey, thanks for watching!

I think it's important to note here that the aliens are not controlling who wins or who loses. The humans are. The aliens are just putting the humans in the situation where they have to choose. The aliens have no "favorites" or any real interest in particular characters.

As for why they're doing this, what if they're doing it for our own good? Humans are arguably overpopulated, greedy, destructive. What if this force is actually benevolent? What if they looked at humanity and said, there is some good here, but they're killing themselves. They need to start over. This is something we humans do on a fairly regular basis with "lesser" species. Culling them down to protect them as a whole.

So imagine if this force decided we need to cut down the human numbers, but we don't know their society well enough to decide who should be left to start over. We'll let them decide. We'll put them in a situation that allows them, as a group, to decide who is valuable.

Now, I'd argue that the aliens perhaps underestimated the complexity of human culture and emotion by thinking that survival wouldn't bring out the worst in people, or maybe they did see that coming. Maybe people who will "survive at all costs" are incredibly important to have when the world as you know it ends...

The others looking up at the ship at the end were other survivors of other circles. We see a variety of people, including some children and pregnant women who were clearly spared (unlike in our circle). The circles happened all over the world, so the makeup of survivors would vary very much depending on where you are and what your culture values. The group we see are survivors from Los Angeles, California.

Hope that helps!

-Mario

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Curious. Your answers actually make me like your movie LESS :D

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Excellent thank you, I truly enjoyed a movie again after a long while!


"revenge is a dish best served cold"

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Thank you for watching!!

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Wow. I'm in love with the movie. At first I was so mad at how the movie ended but I thought this was a well thought out movie it couldn't have been just for *beep* and giggles". Well I mean in the way that you guys just made the movie and rewarding ending. So I immediately went online to maybe look up some theories of the movie and maybe fan based stuff. I stumbled upon this forum and IT IS GENIUS.

So, this leads me to wonder where did the idea originated. It seems like it could be inspired by a futuristic novel. If not maybe someone could take the liberty to make a novel based off of the movie. I know I'd be interested.

I don't know if you guys are planning on a second movie because the ending reminds me of a show called "The Colony." I wonder if anyone has head of it, look it up on youtube.

Anyways just some brain thoughts from me, I needed to gush a bit. I feel inspired to doodle about this movie.

OOH. hahaha sorry one more thing, it kinda makes sense that a lot of pregnant woman would survive to rebuild society because they would be caring, compassionate and ready to educate a new generation. Maybe even the women in the future after their 50's would be the elders of the community and people look up to them as protectors or "mother earth" figures.

ook I'm done :]

Sincerely,
Echo

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Thanks for watching and your kind words!

Aaron Hann (co-writer and co-director) and myself were wrapping up our webseries THE VAULT and talking about possibly doing a feature. We wanted to take the filmmaking strategies we had developed in creating that show and apply it on a larger scale - simplified, minimal, single set design, a large cast of characters, a sci-fi twist. But what to base it on? One day Aaron suggested "What if we told a story about 50 people who had to choose only one among them to survive?"

This to me sound sounded very much like an episode of the Twilight Zone, a show I'm a huge fan of. I was immediately intrigued. We sat down and started fleshing it out - Who are the people? What are we trying to say? Who is responsible for all of this? Who should win and why? The rest is history.

In writing it, we were definitely inspired by Twilight Zone and 12 Angry Men. We wanted to tell a compelling, speculative fiction story in an unexpected location and try to still keep it cinematic, despite the fact that no one could move and the players can only defend themselves with their words.

As for a sequel, it's too early to say. We think this story definitely is its own beast in a lot of ways, but certainly the idea behind it is rife with possibilities.

We very purposefully included many pregnant women in the ending survivor group. We wanted to show that there is a certain reverence, culturally, for mothers. You want to protect them, and many circles would have done so. But on a more practical scale, if humanity is going to get to start over, it does make sense that pregnant women would be helpful in that regard.

Thanks again for watching and commenting, it's been really great reading everyone's thoughts on the film.

-Mario

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Though I wouldn't be opposed to a sequel, Circle would translate amazingly to the stage. Just think of the possibilities...not to mention the survivor could be different from one show to the next. The audience would REALLY be kept guessing!

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We often talked about how it could be a very interesting stage production... You never know!

-Mario

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I actually thought the ending was the minor flaw of the movie, not in terms of the film itself but regard to the context in which we viewed its world. Because most of the survivors were children or pregnant women it raises the question of why the group we observed was the exception. Why focus on this exception instead--clearly not to show that society is selfish, because from the group that gathers we can see it is, on a whole, not? What message were you attempting to send vs. one in which "our" group has as its survivor, say, the child. (One reason might be "for dramatic purposes." But I argue you could have made it just as dramatic even with that as the end.)

Overall a very enjoyable film -- albeit one full of irksome characters.

Would be interesting if a sequel somehow involved the audience directly -- if we, the viewers, could vote on who stays and who goes, with various alternative plot-threads depending on our choices, a la Clue. But starting with 50 people would leave a damn large number of combinations, more surely than would fit comfortably on a standard reel.

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I think we focused on the exception because we are more interested in telling stories where things DON'T go according to plan. I have a hunch that when people see we have a kid or a pregnant girl in the film, they assume that we won't kill them. That we'll save them somehow. That would have been unsurprising, I think, and even a bit of a cheat.

We liked the idea of really playing with expectations and then asking the question: Is this alternative scenario really wrong?

By showing a lot of pregnant women and children at the end, I don't think we're necessarily saying that end result was the right one... Merely that more people would have chosen it vs allowing, for example, a single man to live.

We do think there is a lot of life in a concept like this, not only just in sequels but also in alternative imaginings of the concept. Maybe even games? Who knows, one might pop up one day...

Thanks,
Mario

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I interpreted the ending to mean that Eric's group was unique – perhaps in the other circles of 50 there was only a single child or pregnant woman, but with Eric's group you had both, and thus, he thought "ahead of the herd" by realizing they would be the last two survivors and (though an entirely douche-bag action) tricked them into dying, leaving him the sole survivor.

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I think in many ways, ALL the circles are unique. You can predict based on what you know about human nature to determine many of the outcomes, but in one way or another, I bet they're all surprising.

-Mario

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I just saw the movie on Netflix after reading a review in a magazine and was intrigued. As I often do after watching a film, I go on the imdb Message Boards to read the posts. I was eagerly waiting to see if someone had mentioned The Twilight Zone, and sure enough it came from the filmmakers themselves!

That being said, not only did the premise sound a lot like a TZ episode, but a very SPECIFIC one, which I thought may have been the inspiration for the film. It was titled "The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street", written by the man himself, Rod Serling. For those too young to have seen the original (it was remade in 2003), it concerns aliens who spread fear and distrust among a group of neighbors simply by controlling the power in their homes and street. Then all the aliens had to do is sit back and watch, letting the neighbors accuse one another - a brilliant commentary on the '50s Black Listing in Hollywood at the time. (The episode is on YouTube, Season 1, Ep. 22) The similarity is that just like in Circle, the aliens don't decide who lives and who dies - they leave that up to the humans themselves. Unlike Circle, however, there are no survivors -- the episode ends showing neighbors at each others throats, as the aliens move on to the next "Maple Street". Both are a sad reflection of human behavior and the "every man for himself" mentality when survival is on the line.

I enjoyed Circle very much, and will probably watch it again, hopefully catching things I missed the first time around, as some of the dialogue moves rather quickly. I would say that Circle should appeal to both fans of sci-fi and Psychology students. Nice job, guys.

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it kinda makes sense that a lot of pregnant woman would survive to rebuild society because they would be caring, compassionate and ready to educate a new generation.


You can't assume people are automatically caring, compassionate and capable/willing to educate simply because they're pregnant.

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Great film! Thoroughly engaging from start to finish.


We've met before, haven't we?

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Just one thing that kept annoying me a little bit, that's why I rated your movie 9 instead 10, and that was the PR for liberalism PLUS making bad guys look smart = cool. Most producers seem to be PR agents for liberals nowadays and hence classic, conservative people's movies get dissed ie you should read the protesting comments at The last witch hunter forum- I loved that movie too!

Obviously everyone is entitled to her/his own opinion but this liberal mambo jambo is becoming too much cliche.


"revenge is a dish best served cold"

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Thanks for watching and commenting!

We do cover a lot of topics in this film and there is definitely going to be characters and ideas that rub viewers the wrong way. The conversations and the characters we presented here were based on real experiences and real people. These are discussions happening every day, not on a life or death scale necessarily, but they're happening nonetheless. Our production team is made up of a variety of people of varying political opinion, for the record.

The Circle was designed to be a reflection of the world we live in. The scenarios presented in it are, of course, small bite-sized reflections on issues that require a lot of nuance and contemplation... But when you only have two minutes to argue a point, the characters simplify. This is something you see everyday in discourse, from soundbites to internet message boards. In reality, no issue is black and white.

I'm curious which moments you're referring to as "PR for liberalism"?

Also, which "bad guys" do you think we make look "smart = cool"?

For example, if I had to think of two characters who defy this "liberal/conservative" characterization off the top of my head, it would be the Deacon and the Atheist.

Arguably one of the most sympathetic characters in the film is the Deacon (a "conservative" idea). He's someone who is devoutly religious, doesn't attack anyone, and ultimately sacrifices himself because he was horrified that he actually voted for someone in the frantic 5 way tie. A vote he made out of fear.

The Atheist (a "liberal" idea), conversely, could be seen as aggressive and emotional. He attacks others out of fear and ultimately turns the circle against him.

Several other characters are found to have varying conservative and liberal values. They exist on a scale and no one is any one single thing. Some one might be pro-gay marriage but anti-illegal immigration, for example.

As for the ultimate survivor, we know very little about his actual values, only the ones he presents to the group as a front during the film. He could be conservative, he could be liberal, but like most of us, he's probably a little of both.

-Mario

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Was it essientially a lucky fluke for the end guy to live?

Cause till that point we hadn't seen 4 people at once get taken out, if the orb hadn't killed all 4 at once the numbers would have been against him to pull off what he did at the end.

Also I get how he got away with it;

The little girl was too young to understand and the pregnant woman was too emotional to think straight and realize that the little girl didn't had to step off the circle. They could have just stood there and the orb would have taken the guy and little girl out like it previously did with the four players.

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Everything Eric did had a little bit of luck behind it, but that's not to dismiss his skill in manipulation. His greatest strength was capitalizing on the ever-changing nature of the game. For example, he could have told no one that the Man had voted for the pregnant girl in that first tie, but he knew if he saved her and then mentioned it, he could alert the group to the fact that they SHOULD be targets, even if many of them hadn't surmised that yet. He also lied about what he knew early on, in the hopes that people might think him valuable enough to stay alive. He wisely spoke when he was needed, but for large sections of the film he is silent, purposefully so.

Had the 5-way tie not happened, I imagine he would have focused more efforts on the bearded man, trying to sway back any survivors who had been convinced to vote against the kids. Eric very specifically left the bearded man alive as long as possible. He knew that such a villain would probably be able to get easily when the time was right due to his arrogance. It - like every choice he made - was a risk, but one which paid off.

As for the final vote, Eric capitalized on the trust and emotion of the two girls. Everything he had done until then was in service of getting them to do exactly what he said during the final countdown.

Thank for watching and commenting!

-Mario

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I have watched the movie twice over now. I find it incredibly emotive and I would argue everybody who has seen it would state the same and be hard pushed to give a low vote for it due to that reason alone. The fact that at some stage during the movie every subset of people - gay, elderly, sick, ethnic, social status and so forth, will be drawn into the arena of "should this person survive?" This alone will have audiences discussing it, submitting viewpoints and ultimately thinking and philosophising. In a world of vapid, ten-a-penny Hollywood mega-busters, that is by no means an easy feat to accomplish.

As the film progressed I felt as though I began to see patterns and some moral value to the entire thing. I feel sure after reading these posts that this was not the intention of the film-makers, but more a question of how my own mind works. I have Asperger's Syndrome and as a result, for everything that does not make logical sense to me I look for a way that it can. You would be surprised what patterns I see that other do not, but that is just my nature.

Fantastic though the experience of this film was, the one thing that did disappoint me to some degree was the fact that everything eventually turned out to be a matter of skill tempered with a small amount of luck. The point for me is that almost everybody in the circle was amoral and sociopathic. Some good hearted and decent people would clearly rather sacrifice themselves than have their actions decide the fate of another, but for the remainder, no matter how moralistic their attitudes seemed, when the chips were down they would just as easily vote for anybody else if it meant a chance at salvation. This was so true of the last guy, whose honeyed words mesmerised the remaining people to trust him - a trust which he then betrayed to ensure his own survival. For me, this was not a pay-off. He walked free - the most amoral amongst them - to a lesser population which had a far higher concentrate of equally self-centered survivalists. Even then, I see a logic to this in that a world far diluted of the kind-hearted and compassionate would in and of itself become an even greater challenge for those left behind, no matter how well they fared in the Circle.

Still, please do not take this as a criticism in any way. The fact that you have been able to stir these kind of emotions is an absolute credit to the film-makers and how they managed to bring forward the acting they required to produce what I consider to be the most emotive and possibly controversial film of this year. Well done - my vote is 10.

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Very nice thoughts about the movie and glad it resonates with you!!! We only get to see the results of one circle experience in the movie. It's possible that others ended in a more dignified or straight forward way (hence the abundance of pregnant women in that end). I could imagine other circles where sacrifice was more prevalent - the one we got to see in the movie got particularly nasty, but that's the nature of dramatic fiction I suppose.
-michael

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First of all, thank you for watching and wanting to discuss the film! We love talking with people who have theories about it.

Our goal with Circle was to examine the ways in which people value and undervalue each other, both in life and death situations as well as in the real world. This idea of human value is tied inextricably with the idea of morality. The questions you're asking are exactly what hope to stir - What is "moral" in this situation? Who "deserves" to live? What's the right answer here? These are questions the characters struggle with for the entire film. What's "right" and what's "wrong"? Who's "good" and who's "bad"?

We think the film is cynical and hopeful in equal measure, which is a lot like the real world.

In reality, morality and what we value is somewhat arbitrary and subjective. For example, some people find pollution immoral. Some people find sex immoral. There is no one size fits all morality... And as such, there is no one answer to the Circle. People do terrible things, but are they wrong? Eric survives the Circle at the expense of others. If the circle was truly to determine who is deserving of survival, then isn't he the best choice? He manipulated others to win, but he did win. Why is that immoral? Wouldn't it also have been immoral to allow the child to win the game not knowing what was outside waiting for her? What if there were more rounds? What if there was something worse out there?

It's very possible that the circle exists for this very reason, because the aliens realize there is no all encompassing moral code in humanity. We all believe different things. We all value different things. A circle, where those value systems can clash and fight it out might be the best way to find commonalities.

Who is right? Who is wrong? As filmmakers, we didn't want to come down on either side of this debate. We have our own feelings about the actions the characters take, but that's not why we made the film. We wanted to raise the question for the characters and the audience and see where both groups took it.

Thanks again,

-Mario

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"It's very possible that the circle exists for this very reason, because the aliens realize there is no all encompassing moral code in humanity."


Very possible? You are massively anthropomorphizing the aliens.

I've watched the movie - for the second time - today (twice in 3 days - that's how much I like it!) only to find that I don't really care about the why, the who or the what for. You've managed to create a movie that kills all but 1 of its characters yet remains so alive. The film oozes life, human nature, makes the viewer try to project her/him-self in the situation. I got caught in a dozen different scenarios all developed while watching and/or after watching the movie. I saved the little girl, I saved the pregnant lady, I saved the annoyingly unselfish 16 yrs old teenager, I then entertained the thought that - maybe - the one that should get away is the-one-most-likely-to-survive in a world that has as much in common with the one before the abduction as would have the JFK airport with a 16th century dutch village, etc, etc.

Watching this was an emotional and spectacular experience. Thank you and congratulations!

And y'all should thank my bad English - it's the reason I kept the post short.


"Don't believe shi+ until shi+ happens"
Bernie Mac

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My apologies if this has already been asked and answered. I have not had a chance to read all questions/answers in this thread. I'm curious to know why the woman at the beginning was NOT killed right away. She stepped out of the circle AND touched the person in her neighboring circle. Did I miss something where this was explained?

Also, how many alien vessels participated in the experiment? We saw 2 in the same general area. Was earth's entire population involved?

Thanks

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GREAT catch. She didn't get killed because the game gives players "3 strikes" before the first vote.

The Teenage Girl awakens before the game officially starts. The lights are off, the voting hasn't begun. She tests the system and gets warned, but the machine doesn't fire. This is a bit of a grace period built into the machine by its makers. But you only get 3 strikes. After that, the game won't tolerate other broken rule. The woman who steps out of her circle next, the scared woman, is the 4th strike. It fires.

As for the population, I think it's safe to assume that everyone or nearly everyone on earth was taken up into a circle. It's unclear how long this takes or how many circles can fit into each ship, however.

-Mario

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This is going to be an unpopular thought, but this story and its themes reminded me of "Saw." How desperately do you want to live, and who most desperately wants to live?

As our culture descends into the cesspool of Political Correctness, with the same tool (PC) being used to limit freedom, suppress truth, and silence dissent, tyranny is on the rise.

If I were in a small group of survivors, I would definitely want Eric to be among us. He was definitely "the smartest guy in the room" on several levels.

I really liked this film. I am rarely impressed but I am very impressed.

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If you were a member of a ragtag group of survivors in an unspecified situation would you really want to have a complete sociopath among you?

REALLY?

I reckon you haven't had to deal with true sociopaths in the real world, not that you're aware of at least. If you really did, you'd know that your reasoning is... let's say paradoxical at best.

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Well he also thinks being PC (which is actually just being empathetic and considerate of all and not just a glorified "majority") is the reason for the "cesspool" condition of the world?and nog people actually committing wrongs or crimes against humanity, so of course he would glorify the socio/psyco path who in a heartbeat would turn on his unwitting followers. By all means continue belie in that someone so cunning and so clearly devoted to the self would have any interest of the group in mind.

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Glad you liked the film! It's a circle of 50 with strong opinions in a high stakes environment. So naturally were not going to agree with everyone in there. Hopefully the movie presents a lot of view points without necessarily pushing an agenda of any kind.
-Michael

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Just watched the film twice on Netflix, and quite enjoyed it. I will be enjoying it thoroughly. As you answered the effect of the Circle game(the entire Earth human population), I have a few questions.

One: Bit of a silly question. What happened to people who were in the shower, in the middle of a sexual encounter, or sleeping in the nude? Did the aliens give them clothes to wear, or did they have to suffer through the entire game in their birthday suit?

Two: Will this movie be released on DVD?

Three: Was Eric at all genuine about having the pregnant girl and the child survive, or was he playing a strategy the whole time?

Four: The soldier said he just spent two years in Afghanistan, arrived home a few days ago, and had a seven month year old daughter. Considering that pregnancies last nine months, barring complications that make it shorter, that leads to a 16 month time period in which he was deployed for 24 months. Was he full of hot air, got some leave somehow to visit his wife, or something else?

Five: If the pregnant girl had won, was she supposed to vote against her baby somehow, as they were two life forms?

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Thanks for watching! These are great questions.

One: No question's too silly! The abduction process is a bit of a blur to the survivors but many remember seeing the ships and having time to run before being taken. It's a pretty safe bet that many people had time to dress, etc., before the invasion officially started. That being said, it's entirely possible that there would be some Circles with naked people in them and yes, they would then have to suffer through the entire game that way. Insult to injury, as it were.

Two: We're still exploring home video options but would love to eventually do that!

Three: I think it's safe to assume that most if not all of what Eric said was a lie, or at least a manipulation of the truth. It's possible that he honestly remembered the abduction, since it seemed to jive with many of the others' recollections...

Four: We built in a short leave window for the soldier in the middle of his tour, he was home for a few days and I suppose he and his wife made up for lost time... That being said, you're right to question everyone's stories. He could be lying, but in our minds, he really did have a few days home. :)

Five: No, the pregnant girl only counts as one person. The circle is automated, each red spot senses life on that spot and counts it as one. It isn't differentiating life signs, it's simply sensing if it is there or not, like a heat signature. Had the pregnant girl won, she would have been set free, baby and all. We see this in practice in the final minute of the film - Several pregnant women were survivors of other circles with their babies very much in tact.

The reason why her baby triggers a tie vote after she is dead is because she was knocked off of her circle onto her neighbor's. For some reason, the baby survived the blast that killed its mother; It's possible the aliens didn't factor in human gestational physiology in designing the circle... Suddenly, the sensor is sensing another life on one of the spots and, since it's automated, triggers a tie. It doesn't stop to ask why or how a previously empty circle was reactivated, it just continues as programmed.

Thanks!

-Mario

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