But I think they did focus groups and crunched the numbers and wrongful concluded that "if we put women in it we wills ell more toys to girls and get more views in the theatre. if we put an asian in we will sell more to asian kids".
I'm afraid your theory is wrong.
1. If your theory was right, then the logical consequence would be to distribute ethnic group among both good and bad characters, to appeal to all of them. What's happening is that diverse characters are mostly cast as good guys while white males are cast as villains, psychopaths or clowns.
2. If your theory was right, the casting would follow potential audience numbers. Asians, for example, would be far more common than blacks
3. If your theory was right, actors and actresses would be cast to appeal their ethnic group. If you watch Asian movies, you'll realize that most of Asian cast in US movies don't fit Asian taste. East Asians love cute actresses (that's very noticeable in Japan, but the same happens in Korea and China too). If your theory was right, US would cast actresses similar to the ones in Asian cinema.
This is what popular Chinese actresses look:
http://chinafilminsider.com/the-top-10-chinese-actresses-you-need-to-know/
This is Rose in Last Jedi:
https://am23.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2019/02/rose-tico-kelly-marie-tran-last-jedi-1200x675.jpg
4. If your theory was right, there would no reason for characters to fit into ethnic archetypes (the charming and wise black, the tomboyish badass female lead, the cuck on strongens white male...). However, modern US movies cast in order to portray ethnic archetypes.
(That said, at least you use your brain. No matter you're right or wrong, at least you think)
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JlawsANormlHuman (847)
5 years ago
finally some semi coherence. lets use last Jedi as our example since its out.
1. it proves my theory is exactly right. There are way more ethnic groups being shown in the lead, yet the overwhelming are still white people. Daisy Ridley, mark hammil, carrie fisher, Laura dean. Boom you hit women nd whites. John Boyega for African Americans and Kelly tran for "asians". there was only three main bad guys in the last Jedi. In the Star Wars tradition General Hux, is British, Kylo was white American and Smoke was alien. who says they would put more minorities in antaganist roles too? if the idea is to sell them as heroes and sell more toys and make it more appealing. you put them as heroes..is this really a confusing concept for you to get? For example in the last 80s with die hard and other action movies you saw lots of bad guys as Eastern Europeans. does that mean they also put them as leads? lol
2. Your mistake lies YET AGAIN like in point #1 in believing that " we have to have the exact minority representation in film". Like they say "okay blacks make up 25% of the population so we need 25% of the characters black. oh how will we hit that small Arab population. okay throw in 5% of the cast to be arabs" Its not this exact calculation like you think it is because you have shown you clearly don't understand it..
3.YET AGAIN you show you don't know anything. you use china as your example... CHINA HATES Star Wars so much they took it out of the solo name for release in China. also "Asia" is varying with different preferences. The ideal woman in South Korea is different than that of Cambodia, Thailand, Japan, china etc. She doesn't have to be the perfect model of their idea of beauty. The point they have her there is what counts. If I watch a movie do I feel more connected to a lead who is a white male (even if he doesn't have the stereotypical look) than say Tran leading a film? hell ya. Its about putting yourself in their shoes.. welcome to movie making 101 kid.
4. stereotypes are about easily digestible archetypes.... and Star Wars did try and do this. Our male lead boyega is often cowardly and often useless. Rey is brave and strong and capable. YOU LITERALLY PROVED MY POINT.
you are a joke kid. you got embarrassed. and you keep posting the most ridiculous points I've ever seen. I can't believe you actually read what typed and thought "got him now! he can't have a rebuttal to this"
hey kid go back to nitpicking grammar lol.
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kuku (3510)
5 years ago
you are a joke kid. you got embarrassed. and you keep posting the most ridiculous points I've ever seen. I can't believe you actually read what typed and thought "got him now! he can't have a rebuttal to this". hey kid go back to nitpicking grammar lol
My bad. For a moment I thought you were different from the standard SJW. Obviously, I was wrong 😕
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Anyway, regarding the points.
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There are way more ethnic groups being shown in the lead, yet the overwhelming are still white people.
You didn't answer my point. I was not referring the number of characters in this point, but to the distribution among positive vs negative characters.
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Your mistake lies YET AGAIN like in point #1 in believing that " we have to have the exact minority representation in film"
The problem is that I never said there should be an exact representation. I said that if the audience was the cause of 'diversity', then the cast should logically represent the size of that audience. What doesn't make sense it's to focus mostly in the ethnic group that represents the ethnic smaller box office.
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you use china as your example... CHINA HATES Star Wars so much they took it out of the solo name for release in China
Then it wouldn't make any sense to place an Asian character in first place. What doesn't make sense is to argue that it's places because of Asian audience, and then argue that it doesn't fit Asian taste because this audience is not interested in this movie, then why to include that character?
Note: Rose doesn't fit Korean or Japanese taste neither.
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stereotypes are about easily digestible archetypes.... and Star Wars did try and do this. Our male lead boyega is often cowardly and often useless.
Boyega is still way more positive character than non-hispanic white males like Hux. And still most of the characters (badass female Rey, cuck white male Kylo, cuck white male Hux, cuck white male Luke, badass female Leia, tough charming streetwise Hispanic Benicio del Toro) fit the ethnic/gender archetypes.
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JlawsANormlHuman (847)
5 years ago
your post was a joke yet again. man you "logic" skills are completely broke. let me just use 1 since I'm tired of responding to such an idiot
"3. you use china as your example... CHINA HATES Star Wars so much they took it out of the solo name for release in China
Then it wouldn't make any sense to place an Asian character in first place. What doesn't make sense is to argue that it's places because of Asian audience, and then argue that it doesn't fit Asian taste because this audience is not interested in this movie, then why to include that character?
Note: Rose doesn't fit Korean or Japanese taste neither."
China isn't all of Asia.... and they still do some sales there. Yet again this is why your brain is clearly not operating correctly. Rose dent have to be any stereotypical asian beauty. the fact she is asian period is enough.
lol omg man "badass female Rey, cuck white male Kylo, cuck white male Hux, cuck white male Luke, badass female Leia,"
hahaha sorry I didn't realize I was arguing with a total intel loser. LOL yes base female Leia is def a stenotype. you know all those stenotypes of women being action heroes and men being sucks. man you stayed up so late writing drivel. you are going to be way too tired for your mens rights meeting
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kuku (3510)
5 years ago
China isn't all of Asia.... and they still do some sales there. Yet again this is why your brain is clearly not operating correctly.
It's operating correctly enough to have predicted your comment and have already answered it.
People who can't argue usually answer through (1) insults, (2) assigning to the other person words he didn't say (3) jumping to a new argument. Your constant insults are no news. However, I guessed you were likely to jump from China to other Asian countries, that's why I already wrote in my previous comment "
Rose doesn't fit Korean or Japanese taste neither": so the same I argued about China can be argued about them. And China, Korea and Japan are the three big box office countries in East Asia, there's no more countries where you can jump there. Sorry,
what you said was already answered before you said it.
Sadly, you're just another predictable SJW. you're boring me. Bye
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JlawsANormlHuman (847)
5 years ago
hahahahahahahahahahahahahhha
"eople who can't argue usually answer through (1) insults, (2) assigning to the other person words he didn't say (3) jumping to a new argument."
AGIAN TERE ARE MORE COUNTRIES THAN JAPAN AND KOREA. She can't fit all the stereotypical ideas of their beauty standards because they are all different. but again. that doesn't matter! you are apparently too stupid to of read my response twice now. the fact she is asian period means the audience will connect more with her.
its like me watching two action movies. Ones staring a African female black woman. ones staring a guy who doesn't meet my countries standard of "the most handsome guy". no chilled jaw, no blue eyes, not muscular etc. do I still relate to the guy more than the woman? yes. I can't believe you are so stupid you can't understand this.
Also that is literally the three steps you did. you also went back and deleted comments. man how embarrassing. go back to nitpicking grammar.
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5 years ago
1. The First Order officers and troops in the sequel trilogy are more diverse than the Empire's people ever were in the original trilogy.
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kuku (3510)
5 years ago
The original trilogy wasn't "diverse", both Empire and Rebellion were mostly white males. There wasn't any 'evil white males vs good diversity' stuff.
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