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Questions for atheists


The purpose of this is not to offend anyone or put anyone down. I just want to understand why you are an atheist. First I will start with a little bit about myself. I do believe that there is a universal creator and an after life. I do not follow any religion but I do believe that there is more then just us in the universe and that everything was created by a universal creator. So now for some questions.

1. Why are you an atheist? I am curious why you would close your mind to the possibility of something more then just us and that there is any existence after death.

2. Why do some atheists put so much energy into something they don't believe in? By this I mean I know and have met some atheists that have their beliefs and don't care about my beliefs and are happy to do their thing and let me do my thing belief wise. Then there are atheists I have met that feel that it is their life mission to bash God and bash peoples belief in God and I just don't understand why you would put so much energy into something you don't believe in. I'm not talking about defending your beliefs as an atheist. I am talking about atheists that go out of there why to bash God or someone's belief in God. When no one is putting down their beliefs.

3. I have herd a lot of atheists say that they don't believe in a universal creator or God because they believe in evolution. My question here is why can't you believe in a universal creator and evolution. I believe in both. How can I do that you ask well let me explain. We now that evolution is true because things change and evolve. What we have not been able to prove is the theory of evolution as to how everything was created. So with the theory of evolution and the theory of creation both being unproven I don't see any reason why we can't look for proof of both. I mean if there is a universal creator who's to say that they didn't create everything by evolution. I mean the father of the big bang theory was Georges Lemaître a catholic priest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre He discovered it before Edward Hubble. If some of our greatest scientists have been catholic or catholic priests and they believe in a universal creator why don't you? http://www.realclearscience.com/lists/priests_who_were_scientists/scie nce_and_religion.html

4. Why don't atheists believe that a man named Jesus lived? I understand why an atheist would not believe that Jesus was the son of God but I am curious to know why many of you say that Jesus is a myth or never lived. First I would like to start with the bible. I know the bible is not 100% fact. What I am getting at is that the bible was all written as separate books before is was all put together as one book so why would four different people. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John write four separate books about their lives with Jesus if he never lived. And why would the apostles go out and spread the message of Jesus and start a church based on his teachings if he never lived. All of this can be found in the book of Acts another book written separately by Paul and other apostles. Also Jesus has been written about outside of the bible. http://carm.org/non-biblical-accounts-new-testament-events-andor-peopl e Why is it that people have no problem believing that historical figures like Plato, Aristotle, Alexander the Great, King George III, lived but when it comes to Jesus, suddenly a different standard is offered. Even though the historical evidence for Plato and Aristotle is in written form and people have no problem with that when it comes to the same standard for Jesus, many people won’t accept it. Why the double standard?

5. Lastly I would like to address some terms I have heard atheists use that make no sense to me so please explain. 1. "They believe in a talking dead guy" God is a spiritual being who has never lived a physical life so therefore he has never died. And if they mean Jesus Yes, we do believe in a ‘guy’ that died. No, in the 3 days he was dead, his body did not produce any speech however after he rose from the dead, he spoke. So who is the talking dead guy that we believe in? 2. "Magical sky daddy" those of us who believe in a universal creator don't believe God has any magical powers or that God lives in the sky. We believe that the spiritual plane that God exists in is in a whole other dimension.

I hope to have some good conversations about the questions I have asked. Again I do not want to offend anyone or put down anyone's beliefs. If being an atheist works for you that's great. I just want to know why. If you are going to reply to my post with something like you just don't get it please explain what it is you feel that I don't get.

Look up in the sky....

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The purpose of this is not to offend anyone or put anyone down. I just want to understand why you are an atheist


Do you believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Zeus, or Leprechauns?

I feel the same way about them existing as I do with gods - all gods.

Why do some atheists put so much energy into something they don't believe in?


I can't speak for others, but your religion is not a benign one, it's evil one.

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What we have not been able to prove is the theory of evolution as to how everything was created.


The theory of evolution is more tested than the theory of gravity. A scientific theory encompasses all observations about a phenomenon. Any theory is congruent with all those observations.

That's what a scientific theory is. It's not just a guess.

Why don't atheists believe that a man named Jesus lived?


Maybe a guy named Jesus did exist.

A guy named Mohammed did too, in fact, there's more historical evidence that Mohammed existed than Jesus did. Jim Jones has a lot more evidence than either existed. What's your point?

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1. The assumption that it takes a closed mind to be an atheist is inherently wrong. You could even argue that atheists are more open minded than most Christians. Most atheists have -prior to becoming an atheist- flirted with religion. The thing that drives us away is that all it has to back itself up is an ancient book, originally written by a people living in the desert thousands of years ago, then edited multiple times, gospels added and discarded until we have the Bible that we have today. Not very reliable evidence. Certainly not the word of God. Our understanding of science is getting more and more advanced, and we can increasingly explain things that were thought to be God's work as having natural causes rather than supernatural. Simply put; we become atheists because we don't believe in God. That's not closed minded, that's examining the evidence with an open mind. Ignoring this evidence, now that is closed minded.

2. I am not one of those aggressive atheists that goes around actively battling religion. I just like debating the topic. Why? Because to me it's the most interesting debate topic available.

3. You could, if you want, believe God had a hand in Evolution. But it's merely an assumption with no basis in evidence, so it's not accepted by scientists. Science is about facts. Facts require evidence.

Nobody knows how the universe "began" (if it's not eternal), so why jump to a seemingly random conclusion that comes down to: invisible man did it? It's much more reasonable to keep an open mind rather than accept something as true on faith alone.

As for the catholic scientists, over 93% of the west's leading scientists are atheists or agnostic. I think that tells you which side of the argument they are on.

4. The problem with comparing Jesus' evidence against, say, Alexander the Great, is that we can see evidence of Alexander the Great's existence because he once conquered a large portion of the world. He left evidence everywhere. Also, Jesus only gets a negligible amount of mentions in literature outside of the Bible. If there was really such a great man who performed miracles, raised from the dead and even be significant enough to get the attention of both the Jewish High Priests and the Romans, two major authorities at the time, you'd expect him to be mentioned a lot more than once or twice. Also, none of those mentions claim Jesus was an extraordinary man. It's even debatable if they are about the Jesus of the Bible at all.

5. I'm not a fan of these terms but I can explain what they mean. 1. "They believe in a talking dead guy" They mean Jesus after his resurrection. It's just rhetoric intended to be provoking and funny to people who like that sort of condescending humour. 2. "Magical sky daddy" God is "the father" hence daddy. He's magical because he does things that contradict the laws of nature. And people used to think God was literally in the sky, then it became heaven. Again, this is just atheist rhetoric. Every group has it's own rhetoric. Even Christians.

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"1. Why are you an atheist? I am curious why you would close your mind to the possibility of something more then just us and that there is any existence after death."

Believing in God is closing your mind. Atheists have not closed minds, they have considered the existing of god and with all the evidence determined he like Santa doesnt exist.

God was invented by man to explain what we couldnt explain, now 2000 years later we are able to explain things that those that invented "Him" couldnt.

To continue to believe in something that makes no sense is a closed mind.


"4. Why don't atheists believe that a man named Jesus lived?"

I am an Atheist and do believe someone called Jesus lived, but he wasnt the son of god.

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1) I just never grasped the concept of a deity. The idea never made sense to me. A supernatural being created a universe from nothing. Why? What motives did it have? Was it boredom? What created the creator? I tend to focus my "beliefs" on things that can be explained. Science does that for me. My mind is definitely not closed to the possibility to a deity. I just need proof that one exists. Unfortunately, it's not the atheist's job to prove one doesn't exist.

2) Just as with some Christians, some atheists do tend to put others down for other's beliefs. So I can't really speak for all atheists out there. But with me, I hate being lied to, so in return it sucks seeing others being lied to. And I associate religion with a lie. But yes, bashing others for their beliefs is wrong. Some people think that's what it takes to get it through other's head. Definitely doesn't make it right.

3) I know a lot of Christians that believe in both evolution and a creator. They even have it worked in to the story of Noah's Ark. But the bible doesn't support concepts of evolution. In my opinion, one that follows religion must follow their scripture 100% and anything that strays from the text would be wrong. Because I always felt it would be wrong to pick and choose passages that YOU felt were important and ignore the rest. Because why else would it all be in the book?

4) I never believed in Jesus. For the sole reason that there is no documented proof. Only the bible. And then writings AFTER the bible was written. Now, the bible was written by middle eastern men roughly 300 years after the life of Jesus. Not one person who helped write the bible ever met him, or laid eyes on him. So, where are all the writings from Jesus' time? Jesus spoke to crowds right? Healed the sick and fed the hungry? Why wasn't any of this note worthy? Other than the bible, what proof is there that he existed? It's like believing in Dionysus. He fits the same description as Jesus. Why don't people believe in him? He just kind of faded away along with all greek mythology. Now, with Plato, Aristotle, etc... there are countless documented evidence showing they had existed. People have seen them, heard them. Books have been written. Life has changed DURING their existence. Jesus doesn't have that. Same goes for Moses. No evidence aside from the Bible. And the Bible is just a collection of local folklore and mythical stories from that time as well as from other cultures.

5) There are many terms atheists use to poke fun of the concepts of deities. I wont lie, "magical sky daddy" is one of my favorites. Right up there with "zombie Jesus." But yes, "They believe in a talking dead guy" refers to Jesus. A man who allegedly died and came back to life 3 days later. "Magical sky daddy"... ok, so... a creator who created a universe from nothing... this doesn't qualify as magic? Now I love magic or as I call it, optical illusions. But I would love to hear how you classify creating a universe from nothing as anything but magic.

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It you were NOT so very stupid (and anyone who belongs to an organised religion is the definition of 'mentally challenged'), you would know the ONLY meaning of ATHEIST is a person who doesn't 'believe' in the juvenile concept of 'gods'. Atheist says NOTHING otherwise about the spiritual beliefs of the atheist.

Organised religions, with their concepts of 'gods', were created by EVIL alphas to control and exploit sheeple like yourself. Humans inherently have spiritual awareness from the simple fact that they live a life. This spiritual awareness has ZERO to do with 'gods' or the need to create organised religions.

Here's a problem for simple-minded individuals like you. You 'KNOW' why you don't believe in all the other gods of all the other organised religions, yet are far too think to understand that the very reasons you have for rejecting those 'gods' apply just as much to your own.

By being a sheeple, and taking pride in belonging to a tribe of conned individuals, you give passive support to the insanely evil people who run your tribe for their own benefit. Each of you little sheep give a little to a few people at the top, and they take all of this support to create a very wicked power base for themselves- the very reason organised religion was invented in the first place.

The evil alphas at the top of each organised religion do not care about how many of their 'followers' suffer horribly, or how many other Humans are made to suffer by the religious campaigns of their followers. Quite the opposite- the whole GAME is to draw as many idiots as possible into the fold.

Take Modern Christianity (which has NOTHING to do with the original Christianity of the original followers of Jesus). This was essentially a JEWISH invention in Rome centuries AFTER the death of Jesus (Jesus rejected Jewish teaching and the birth of what would become the Roman Catholic Church FORCED the Jewish Holy Book- the Old Testament/Torah- into the forefront of Modern Christian teaching). When Rome went officially Christian, immediately ALL OTHER RELIGIONS were declared illegal and persecuted terribly. Before Rome went Christian, Rome had a policy of accepting ALL religions. Yet Modern Christians have the CHEEK to describe themselves as 'good guys'.

Psychologists and conmen both understand the mental weaknesses that make less intelligent/less capable Humans join organised religions. Scientology (just as valid as Modern Christianity) was invented, for instance, when pulp-SF author Ron Hubbard noticed that the fanboys who wrote letters to the magazines that published the stories sounded remarkably like the religious fanatics of Egypt shortly after the death of Jesus. He gained the insight that his fantastical stories were, by accident, creating embryo religious fervour in the minds of many of his readers, and as a consequence, a new 20th Century religion could be created using myths more relevant to the people of that period.

It is HILARIOUS to watch Christians mock Scientology for DARING to use the exact same psychological ploys to win the support of gullible/vulnerable people. Interestingly, Ron Hubbard understood it was time to forgo an actually named series of 'gods' in this 20th Century organised religion.

Yes we have souls, and yes we live in an existence where good and evil, pleasure and pain play a very major part. Our life is, in every sense, a spiritual journey. Sadly, if as an adult, you join an organised religion, you've essentially FAILED this time round- and hopefully will do better next time.

As for the individuals mis-described as 'atheists' who declare we are nothing more than 'robots', and no different from any other lump of atoms- well they represent another TRAP. Science does not, and cannot explain the soul, and we experience everything soul-first - so a personal philosophy disregarding the soul is cretinous. Our bodies exist in the clockwork universe of science and maths, BUT our souls, with science defying free-will, drive these bodies. To fully comprehend the meaning of this is beyond the lifetime of any person, but we are supposed to try.

What we do, that the clockwork universe cannot do, is process MEANING. Meaning is the 'ghost in the machine' for science- irrelevant, pointless, unnecessary. LIFE brings meaning into the universe, but life is NOT of the universe. The rules of our universe is a fundamental but so is the life force represented by our souls. When you quote the SPIRITUAL beliefs of ALPHA scientists it is because they comprehend absolutely that a clockwork universe can exist simultaneously with the fully independent concept of the soul, with neither explaining nor deriving from the other.

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I'll only hit on number 4, as it gives me the most trouble... you state,

"What I am getting at is that the bible was all written as separate books before is was all put together as one book so why would four different people. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John write four separate books about their lives with Jesus if he never lived. And why would the apostles go out and spread the message of Jesus and start a church based on his teachings if he never lived. All of this can be found in the book of Acts another book written separately by Paul and other apostles. Also Jesus has been written about outside of the bible. "

I can go to the public library and find books written about Spongebob Square Pants... I can find several books by different people, I could put them together but it wouldn't mean Spongebob ever actually existed now would it.

But the biggest problem I have is that most people that believe in the bible don't look at it in the historical context for which it came from. It was a group of things written put together under the direction of a dude seeking to unify the Romans at the time... to that end some writings were included and others omitted simply because they wouldn't have helped with the goal of unifying the people into a controllable population. The Gnostic Gospels are missing... What purpose is there in cherry picking the works of 4 of Jesus's followers and leaving out others?

So my real question is have you read the other writings that were left out of the bible and if so how do you know that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are worthy of being followed as gospel while others such as the Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Thomas or Gospel of Judas are not? In fact study the Gospel of Judas and you quickly see why it was left out, because it completely contradicts the others that were included... but it is just as likely that it was correct as the others in which case you are following the wrong instructions to life so to speak... In the end you are relying on blind faith, which is fine in and of itself... so long as you don't try to tell other people that don't share that faith how to live their life... and that is the problem most atheists have, Christians as well as Muslims and other religious folks love to force others to live under their own religious rules... Why can't I buy alcohol on Sunday? There is no rational reason beyond it was some religious reason yet my life is impacted by it whether I believe in god or not, is that right? You see most atheist wouldn't give a damn whether someone wants to worship the sun, a man or a head of lettuce - except that those followers will always start trying to force their beliefs on others.

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Most Christians in their everyday lives don't try and force their beliefs on anyone. The way some of the atheists on these boards go on you would think they bump into a Christian on every street corner trying to force their beliefs on them which is totally laughable. And they are on "this" board of their own accord, no one is forcing them.

As I said most Christians just go about their lives. And I would say the same about most atheists and whether or not they care what someone believes.

When you bring certain laws into it that can work both ways.

It's funny how certain people though think the internet = what is going on in our everyday lives.

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I really hope you'll read this.

I'll respond since you asked so politely, but first I have to adress one thing, you aren't asking atheist what they believe, you are telling them what they believe.

Instead of stating your questions like "why do you believe A?" you should try "Do you believe A, and if so, why?".

Since most of what you seem to think Atheists believe is wrong.

1. Why are you an atheist? I am curious why you would close your mind to the possibility of something more then just us and that there is any existence after death.

I am an atheist for 1 reason and one reason only, the god hypothesis has not met it's burden of proof, so I can't accept it. I was an atheist when I was born, and years of religious upbringing never managed to change that.
We haven't closed our minds to the possibility of a god, or life after death, we simply don't think there is enough evidence at the moment. We are very open to being proved wrong, infact, I'll wager we are much more open to the idea that a god exists than you are to the idea that he doesn't.

2. Why do some atheists put so much energy into something they don't believe in? By this I mean I know and have met some atheists that have their beliefs and don't care about my beliefs and are happy to do their thing and let me do my thing belief wise. Then there are atheists I have met that feel that it is their life mission to bash God and bash peoples belief in God and I just don't understand why you would put so much energy into something you don't believe in. I'm not talking about defending your beliefs as an atheist. I am talking about atheists that go out of there why to bash God or someone's belief in God. When no one is putting down their beliefs.


Just because god isn't real doesn't mean his folllowers aren't. The belief in a god has very real effects ont he world, along with superstition in general. I care about people, so when I see for instance that a school is having mandatory prayer, I care about the seperation of church and state, and I care about the children that feel uncomfortable by this. I also care about the children whose parents have scared them with tales of hell, this is child abuse in my mind, and the fact that it's based on a lie makes it even worse.
I never understand this question, why would anyone think I need to believe in a god in order to care about the effects that beliefs have?

3. I have herd a lot of atheists say that they don't believe in a universal creator or God because they believe in evolution. My question here is why can't you believe in a universal creator and evolution. I believe in both.

You can, I just don't also, the idea of evolution simply contradicts many theistic origin stories, it proves them wrong unless you suddenly throw them overboard and say everything is a metaphor, which I always think is a very weak and sad excuse people make up because they don't want to face the fact that their religion is a lie.

e now that evolution is true because things change and evolve. What we have not been able to prove is the theory of evolution as to how everything was created. So with the theory of evolution and the theory of creation both being unproven I don't see any reason why we can't look for proof of both. I mean if there is a universal creator who's to say that they didn't create everything by evolution. I mean the father of the big bang theory was Georges Lemaître a catholic priest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre He discovered it before Edward Hubble. If some of our greatest scientists have been catholic or catholic priests and they believe in a universal creator why don't you? http://www.realclearscience.com/lists/priests_who_were_scientists/scie nce_and_religion.html

Just because a lot of great scientists were religious is no argument for religion. It has to stand on it's own, we need more reason to be religious than just "well, you can be, these people were". Back then everyone was religious, we didn't know better, and the people who weren't religious would still say they were for fear of prosecution.
Again, the only reason I would ever become religious is if it became the more reasonable stance. And at the moment, there is simply no rational justification for being religious, not even close.
Also, although scientists can be religious, they can't be scientific about god and be religious, because science is built on the idea of testing hypotheses and not accepting that something is true until it has been proven. Being a religious scientists just means you are a hypocrite really, plenty of people are.


. Why don't atheists believe that a man named Jesus lived?

See this? This is not something atheists believe, some do, some don't. I don't know, I think a man called Jesus or some variant on that lived around that time, of course, many did probably. But not one that did all the miracles that the bible speaks of. Perhaps there was even some spiritual teacher named Jesus that inspired the stories, I don't know, but from the lectures by Richard Carrier I have to conclude that it's not very likely.

I understand why an atheist would not believe that Jesus was the son of God but I am curious to know why many of you say that Jesus is a myth or never lived. First I would like to start with the bible. I know the bible is not 100% fact. What I am getting at is that the bible was all written as separate books before is was all put together as one book so why would four different people. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John write four separate books about their lives with Jesus if he never lived. And why would the apostles go out and spread the message of Jesus and start a church based on his teachings if he never lived

Like I said, I don't know enough about this particular subject to tell you what we know and don't know exactly, but I do know that just because a book says it was written by multiple people, does not make it true. I also know I can talk to people TODAY who would all swear to have been abducted by aliens. If you want to use the rapid growth of christianity as an argument you have to do the same for Islam, scientology, the church of the flying spaghetti monster, and many others. Also, I know that several accounts from several of the "authors" of the bible contradict each other. And I know that there aren't any reliable second hand accounts from other parts of the world that talk about these great things happening.
But none of this matters, because even if the bible was a great book with perfect references that proved 100% that a man named Jesus lived as a prophet 2000 years ago then that still would prove NOTHING about the veracity of his claims.


Why is it that people have no problem believing that historical figures like Plato, Aristotle, Alexander the Great, King George III, lived but when it comes to Jesus, suddenly a different standard is offered. Even though the historical evidence for Plato and Aristotle is in written form and people have no problem with that when it comes to the same standard for Jesus, many people won’t accept it. Why the double standard?


Because it doesn't really matter if these people existed, and it the claim that they did exist is less big. By which I mean, if someone tells me he has a dog, I believe him, if he says he has a dragon, I don't. Why the double standard? Because one requires more evidence, because it is more unlikely.
And the thing is this, it doesn't matter if Socrates really existed or if Plato invented him (as some believe) because the truth of what Socrates said does not really on him really existing. They are true in and of themselves. If Jesus didn't exist, then his claims were false. The teachings of Socrates aren't dependant on the existence of Socrates, and if Socrates didn't really exist, it wouldn't change much about the world. The same can not be said about Jesus.

5. Lastly I would like to address some terms I have heard atheists use that make no sense to me so please explain. 1. "They believe in a talking dead guy" God is a spiritual being who has never lived a physical life so therefore he has never died. And if they mean Jesus Yes, we do believe in a ‘guy’ that died. No, in the 3 days he was dead, his body did not produce any speech however after he rose from the dead, he spoke. So who is the talking dead guy that we believe in? 2. "Magical sky daddy" those of us who believe in a universal creator don't believe God has any magical powers or that God lives in the sky. We believe that the spiritual plane that God exists in is in a whole other dimension.

The problem is that your version of christianity is new, for instance the olympians did believe the gods ACTUALLY lived on olympus. But more to the point, these are relaly arbitrary distinctions to us. Sky, spiritual plane, who cares? It's meant to make fun of the entire concept and I don't think explaining the joke really gets us much further. I would also like to mention that your signature is "look up in the sky", I don't know if that is in reference to god, but if so, that kinda proves the joke.


I'll add some more things I think you probably don't know. A little intro into atheism.

First of all, atheism does not mean "the belief that gods don't exist", it's actually "the lack of belief that gods do exist". This seems like an arbitrary distinction to many but this distinction is the basis of science, of our justice system, and of all Atheistic arguments.

I'll try to explain the difference. Say we made a bet, I toss a coin, heads, you give me 10 bucks, tails, I give you 10 bucks. I toss the coin, but it falls where we can't see it.

I say "it's heads, give me 10 bucks".
You say "I don't believe it's heads".
I say "well, prove that it is tails".

You understand that this is not fair, just because you don't accept that the coin landed on heads does not mean you accept that it landed on tails, even if there are only two options. And it's unfair to say you should prove it, when I am the one making the claim.

Atheists are the same, we don't make the claim that gods don't exist. Theists make the claim that one does, and we say we are unconvinced, it's unfair to expect us to prove the opposite when we are not the ones making the claim, and not accepting your claim does not mean we accept the opposite claim, or have to prove it.

The same goes in science, you think of a hypothesis, then you and others try to prove it falls. Just because others don't accept your claim untill you prove it does not mean they believe it is wrong. And if we are unable to prove that it is wrong, does not mean it is right, it just means that as far as we know, it is "not wrong".

Same goes with courts, we don't have to prove that a defendant is innocent, the prosecution just has to fail to prove that he is guilty. When they fail, we don't declare the defendant "innocent", we declare him "not guilty".


Remember this when you hear a theist saying "prove that atheism is correct".
This is disingenuous, atheists make no claim, so this sentence makes as much sense as saying "prove that potato is correct".

This comes from a way of thinking about ourselves, we are not a group, not really.
To us, we are just the people, then a group comes to us (theists) and tells us "gods exist". Now we don't really want to be our own group, I think it's ridiculous to define a group by what they don't believe in. Really all you are saying is "this group consists of the people that don't belong that the other group".
You don't have a group of people who "don't play chess". You don't have a group of people who "don't believe in alien abductions". These are just the "normal people", and that is what we atheists are.

Every baby is an atheist, because he "lacks a belief in god", every tribesman who has never heard of the concept of a god is an atheist because he "lacks a belief in god", the fact that they also don't believe that gods don't exist is irrelevant, because that's not what Atheism is, it's not a group.


And you see this when you look at the things they protest, they don't protest to have "there is no god" to be taught in schools, they simply protest again "there is a god" being taught in schools. Atheists never protest to force non-belief, they simply protest again forcing "belief".

And ofcourse there are atheists who believe gods don't exist, I am one, but that is not the argument I am making, because I don't have to, all I have to argue is that you have failed to prove that there is one.

Hope you read it and found it interresting.

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I’ll add my two cents here and answer the questions as best I can, with all goodwill, because I commend the OP on his lack of any confrontational tone.

The first thing to understand about atheists like myself is that “atheist” doesn’t mean anti-religion, only an absence of personal association with religious belief. Atheism doesn’t necessarily imply any confrontational stance against religion.

1. Why are you an atheist? I am curious why you would close your mind to the possibility of something more then just us and that there is any existence after death.


I am an atheist because, put simply, the alternative position, i.e. belief in God, doesn’t add up for me. I see no evidence to support the existence of a God, and I see plenty of evidence to support the position that the concept of God is a construct of human beings. There have been many Gods worshipped throughout human history, most of them no longer worshipped. Were all followers of Zeus, Thor, etc, deluded? To my mind, Gods are invented by man to explain the inexplicable; to fill a void in human understanding. Whatever cannot easily be explained by man is attributed to God.

If you look at the major religions of the world today – Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Sikhism, etc – then the one thing we can all agree on is that they can’t all be right. If there is a God then, by definition, the vast majority of humanity are following the wrong one. If Christianity is correct, then all the others are wrong; if Islam is correct, then all the others are wrong; and so on. By definition, no matter what our beliefs – of lack thereof – the majority of us are wrong, because we can’t all be right.

I don’t think most atheists do close their minds to possibility of something more than us, or existence after death. We simply see no evidence of either. Most of us would love nothing more than to see some evidence of the continuation of our being beyond death. It’s a very human emotion to balk at the thought that we die and are no more. We don’t want to believe that our loved ones, the people we admire, or – of course – ourselves, will simply cease one day and be no more. It’s a very compelling idea to imagine that some essence – spirit, soul – will go on eternally.

2. Why do some atheists put so much energy into something they don't believe in? … I am talking about atheists that go out of there why to bash God or someone's belief in God. When no one is putting down their beliefs.


Speaking personally, I only ever “dig in” and confront religious people when their beliefs are being forced upon me, either directly or indirectly. In the Western world our societies are largely built upon a Christian foundation and therefore certain Christian values are built into our society. For example, something as simple as institutions being closed on a Sunday – the result of the Christian belief that Sunday should be a day of rest of worship. An atheist may feel that this represents a bizarre restriction of his freedoms, based on religious beliefs that he doesn’t subscribe to. Most atheists would simply see this as challenging the status quo – the presumption that Christian values are the values that we must all live by.

People like Richard Dawkins are generally challenging the presumption that we must all of us be bound by Christian beliefs, whether or not we are ourselves Christians. Christians may not see the problem because, of course, they are Christian and are therefore happy to have their lives defined and confined by Christian values.

3. I have herd a lot of atheists say that they don't believe in a universal creator or God because they believe in evolution. My question here is why can't you believe in a universal creator and evolution. I believe in both.


The theory of evolution does undermine and contradict much of what is said in the Bible – for example, the Bible’s claim that man was created as the complete and finished entity we see around us today; the conspicuous failure to mention dinosaurs, and so on. You then find yourself in a “house of cards” scenario where, logically, you have to conclude that if those (fairly key!) parts of the Bible are demonstrably untrue, how much else is also untrue? The concept that the Bible is the unassailable truth collapses at this point, and you realise that it more likely the work of men who, in ancient times, wrote about the world as they understood it. The gaps and flaws in the Bible are the gaps and flaws in the human understanding of the primitive men who wrote it, and that does rather undermine the assertion that the Bible is the truth as handed down by an omniscient creator.

4. Why don't atheists believe that a man named Jesus lived? I understand why an atheist would not believe that Jesus was the son of God but I am curious to know why many of you say that Jesus is a myth or never lived.


The issues here are less clear. I think most atheists would happily accept that there probably (stress: probably) was a prophet called Jesus. Again, though, it’s the more fantastical aspects of the story – the virgin birth, the miracles, the resurrection, the identity as the son of God – that people (understandably) have credulity issues with. That there’s a germ of truth to the story, albeit heavily built-upon with fiction, would be most atheist’s take on Jesus, I think – not that I speak for all atheists, of course!

The main problem with the Jesus story is that there is so little evidence. This wasn’t a completely primitive society; this was a province under Roman rule, and the Romans were extremely diligent record-keepers. They mapped out Europe accurately, and they administered a vast empire – extremely effectively. Their histories and records are, largely, still in existence. That there should be so little hard evidence of Jesus does beggar belief, to some extent. I think most atheists would accept that there probably was a real historical figure behind the legend, but that his story has been augmented and fictionalised so heavily it’s hard to get to the truth of the story anymore.

5. Lastly I would like to address some terms I have heard atheists use that make no sense to me so please explain. 1. "They believe in a talking dead guy" 2. "Magical sky daddy"

Erm, I don’t use those terms myself, but I guess they’re just deliberately facetious descriptions of those religious concepts, designed to communicate to believers how “out there” and unlikely they sound to non-believers.

Anyway, hope you found at least some of that interesting, and none of it insulting.

EDIT: Whoops, marked Question 5 as a "spoiler" rather than a "quote" - fixed :)

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Although I'm not the OP, I'm always curious as well why someone would believe or not believe.

But your one point about dinosaurs is off. God does bring them up in Job 40. That creature could "only" be a dinosaur. No other creature has a tail like a cedar tree and even their noses cannot be snared. God is talking about the earth age before this one, when they did roam the earth millions of years ago.

God touches on this time throughout the bible. And even in Genesis when it states the earth "was" void -translated back means became or come to pass. Meaning there was a time when the earth was inhabited. God also talks about this age in Jeremiah when he says he beheld the mountains and they moved. He literally shook the earth. It then after that lay and in waste and became void. But when he himself says the mountains moved, that stands to reason why there's no true north on the compass. It's because everything is off. Even when you look at maps you can see where some things once fit together. And that's why animals fossils have been found in regions that they normally aren't, etc.

Also, the bible is meant to bring forth the family that would bring Christ through. It's not meant as a complete history or science book. Adam and Eve aren't the first people on earth in the Bible created, they were the last. And it's through them that Christ would come. All other people were created before them and the world was well populated (a thousand years being as one day to the Lord) when they did come to being. That's how Cain was able to find a wife in the east in Nod. Descendents of Cain are called Kenites and they were an oriental tribe. So Cain married an oriental women, not his sister. Stuff like this is easily checked out.

The irony about some atheists (not all of course) is that they seem to believe what many churches teach concerning the bible, the traditions of men if you will - The bible doesn't teach about dinosaurs, the earth is only 7000 years old, we all have come from Adam and Eve (impossible), eternal hell, rapture and other false doctrines, etc. that aren't backed up in the Bible.

And many thoughts you have pertain to religion, traditions such as places closed on Sunday. In the NT Christ became the sabbath, it's not some day of the week. So it matters not to God if someone works on Sunday, etc.

If I went down that route I'd probably be an atheist as well. But I'm not trying to sway anyone, just pointing out certain things are mentioned in the Bible.

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Job 40 doesn't mention a dinosaur. It describes a big animal that eats grass. Big animals today eat grass. They existed back then, too.

Also, it seems you're using the Bible to prove the Bible but no where in the Bible does it say how old the Earth is. The Galaxy is. The universe is. No where.

-Nam

I am on the road less traveled...

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