It's not as if this movie was promoted or described as being a family drama about loss and depression, it was very clearly promoted as being something dark and sinister right from the get-go, and that made the entire thing feel a bit pointless. Like, we already know the husband and wife are gonna do something weird or crazy, and so the entire time I wasn't thinking "I wonder if they're evil", I was thinking "okay so when are they finally just going to get it over with and reveal it?"
I still really liked the movie and I thought it was quite entertaining and suspenseful, but it was completely predictable and didn't surprise me once.
I think that was inevitable for anyone who saw the trailer but the film wasn't nearly as predictable as I thought it would be
I liked how the writers always found excuses for David and Eden to use when something weird happened. The first two acts were quite ambiguous and I was always wondering whether those guys are actually psychos or Will was getting paranoid and the events in the trailer would be him killing the others, for example. That was certainly a possibility I kept considering and the film provided very well
Also thought the film was suspenseful and entertaining, and also surprisingly well shot for an interiors kind of film. The third act is absolutely brutal and very exciting to watch. Also loved that ending twist with most of the neighbors being members of the cult
I think that there was zero suspense about where the movie was going in terms of Eden and David doing something awful (though at first I thought that they were specifically targeting Will as opposed to the whole group).
For me, the suspense had everything to do with where the characters went and how they evolved during the movie. To me, there were two really important moments:
1) The part where Will is talking to Kira ("They're just people") and you can see that he wants to live--a real change from his earlier remarks about just "waiting to die". He doesn't just want to save his girlfriend. And it isn't just an in-the-moment survival instinct. I think that he does want to stay in the world, even if it means dealing with his pain, loss, and guilt.
2) The part where Eden faces Will, but chooses to shoot herself instead. I think that's the moment (one that built up once the killing started) where Eden realizes that the whole concept of rescuing other people from their pain is garbage. She doesn't want to live anymore, and in order to cope with her pain she bought into this idea of "saving" others. But I think that she sees in Will's face that he doesn't want to be "saved". Making that choice for others is wrong, even if it comes from a warped place of kindness.
I only read a handful of sentences of reviews of this movie (because I was trying to avoid spoilers), and the gist of most of them was that the plot was predictable--I think on purpose--and that the point is more to enjoy the ride.
What did surprise me was who had survived in the end. I had expected everyone to die and then Will to die saving Kira. The fact that Will, Kira, and Tommy were all still standing at the end genuinely shocked me.
I think that if the movie didn't have any depth, I would have been annoyed at its predictability. But the movie intentionally telegraphs the cult element (Eden's dress is basically a cult robe), which lets your attention focus more on Will's mental state as he works through his emotions. I thought that the characters were well-acted and well-written. I liked that the story took time to pause and allow for quieter scenes like Kira's talk with Will or Tommy's conversation with Will in the garden.
I think that there was zero suspense about where the movie was going in terms of Eden and David doing something awful
In a strange way I think that was an interesting choice. Because there is always a twist and things are never as they seem in movies having it play straight out had me constantly second guessing myself trying to figure out the smoke and mirrors. In a way it was completely obvious and a large surprise at the same time.
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In a strange way I think that was an interesting choice.
I totally agree. As an audience member, the clues are so blatant (Eden's cult robe, insisting on rituals, etc) that you almost second guess yourself.
There was one little part of me that thought that somehow it was a group conspiracy to make Will crazy (like they all blamed him for the son's death and were punishing him, or Eden and David wanted him to look crazy for legal reasons or something) . . . but 99% of me knew exactly what was going to happen.
I liked the relief of not having to wait for a "twist". To me, the twist was all about how Will and Eden would ultimately behave in the final act.
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I still thought the twist was twisty enough. I didn't watch the trailer (it's really best to stay away from trailers nowadays). I did know, however, that this was a "horror" film so I knew it wouldn't be just some psychosocial indie drama, and yet I still found myself surprised when the *beep* hit the fan.
I had no issue with predictability, i dont mind knowing where things are going - if the story is good and told well then the ride should be enjoyable. But this wasnt told well, the fragmented story telling through flash backs was boring and irritating. When the characters talk about "what happened" without saying what happened as if its some world shattering secret is just frustrating and It is cheap.
you can infer what happened cant you? i tend to prefer such realistic dialogue (how people would actually speak to each other) rather than dialogue full of exposition. the latter may inform the aduience more but often feels phony
i can. but it's not realistic dialogue at all. and it's definitely not good dialogue. i have all kinds of idiotic frustrating conversations with my son but i wouldn't put an audience through any of them. specially not without the insight that we both already have on the subject. my partner can't even stand it and we aren't even cryptic like this movie was.
but specially the flashbacks were irritating. when i think about key events in my life, i don't just conjure up moments that had little or nothing to do with said events. and if i were to tell my story, i wouldn't dwell in such moments.
edit. i take back the realistic comment. it may be realistic. still not a conversation i cared for
this is why i go blind into films, so i dont know anything and are not spoiled even on minor details. i did figure something was wrong with the hosts just by virtue of it being a movie and the tone of the film, but when choi showed up i really did think that maybe the main character was just being paranoid and thats what the film was about. so the movie certainly kept me guessing
i think it goes beyond "something wrong". the way they were portrayed it was 100% clear how it would turn out. they portrayal should have been "slightly odd", not utterly batcrap crazy and creepy.
I hadn't seen the trailer and knew very little about the film going in, so while I still saw the "reveal" coming considering the entire movie would have otherwise been a bit pointless if it just ended up with the main character simply being overplay paranoid, I did think it was pretty tense throughout and well done.
And there were moments in the film where I did for a second think that maybe Will was just imagining everything. The red herrings were subtle, but cool.
I didn't find the film to be predictable until near the end, when I finally realized what was gonna go down. The only trailer I saw for it was when the director was interviewed on Late Night with Carson Daly about the film, and clips were shown from it, just enough to let you know that the film was going to be a psychological horror drama. What I saw definitely got me intrigued enough to go to the movies and check it out. I wasn't disappointed, because I like both fast-paced action films and slow,quiet films that slow down and take their time with the characters and the plot and let everything just flow kinda smooth, like this film did. It was worth watching all throughout, just for the whole smoldering, suspenseful build-up and gradual realization that something was definitely off about that whole situation, but not being able to pinpoint just quite what it was until the film showed its hand.
We didn't know "what" was going to be wrong or "who". Movies employ misdirection all the time even when we know something is not right e.g. Shutter Island, Twilight Zone series, etc.
This especially works in this film, since the protagonist had his own breakdown in the past.