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The complete SUCCESS on an artistic level.

posted 10 years ago by writing_in_red
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I saw someone talking about how this movie failed artistically and I felt compelled to put forward the counter argument.

It boggles my mind that so many people seem to think this film is shallow. How? It examines the role of the hero. If anything, Captain America: Winter Soldier was a very by numbers movie because Cap was always the hero, he was always the boy scout and always doing the right thing.

In Avengers 2 we examine just what the right thing is.

In trying to save the world, Tony over steps the line and creates something that will ultimately destroy it - but that's not the point. The point of this movie is accepting that we CANNOT save the world, we CANNOT stop evil from happening and all we CAN do is fight to protect what we hold dear.

The lesson is learnt and we see this at the end of the movie. Always Tony Stark has been Iron Man flying through the air but at the end we see him as a normal man driving a normal, real car. He has been humbled. He has learnt that he cannot save the world.

It's a message to all of us, I think. Protect and hold dear but do not try to control and change the world. It won't work, it can't work and it will ultimately lead to conflict and death.

I think Joss touched on this in Serenity, where they talked about how the Alliance were "trying to make people better" but it did not work.

A very thoughtful film with brilliant moments that do hit home. If Avengers united heroes, Avengers 2 humbled them and taught them their role in the wider scheme of things.

10/10 It delivered everything I wanted to see, I had a blast watching it and I found the film's message to be a thoughtful and accurate one.

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[–] AndrewGS 9 years ago

In The Winter Soldier Captain America was doing the right thing but he wasn't sure what the right thing was or what his relationship was or should be with his partners, Natasha realized she had done some wrong and both of them (and the audience) came to have mixed feelings about Nick Fury.

In this film I didn't get the sense that Tony felt he had made a mistake, he was more like "maybe sucks but had/has to be done" until he abruptly quit at the end and Black Widow was pretty much, as usual, ends-justify-the-means (that, after happening one time too many, did lead to the Hulk breaking up with her but that wasn't really dealt with in the ending). Also with Thor creating the Vision and that somehow working I didn't get the sense that the Avengers learned much humility.

[–] kgwrote-854-104240 9 years ago

The theme running through the story is "we are monsters."
But it was a little too obvious-they stated it 2-3 times.

The trouble with these Marvel films is that thanks to Disney, they cant really do much but pander to a family audience--so the ideas have to be very narrow and safe. Characters suffering from angst--"am I a bad person?"

If they had made a villain who could truly be threatening or challenging then they could make the story about the threat--not about whether the Hulk will hitch up with the assassin (which feels really really forced-almost like they throw that in there as a geek fantasy--the nerd ending up with an S and M fetish model).

The stuff with the hammer was amusing but they went too far with the Ultron humor. There was simply no suspense since we knew he would lose.

Compare it to a film like Robocop 1987--now that was a real movie.

The Ed-209 vs Robocop fight was exciting--the Iron Man vs Hulk could have been too-but they made it video game like.

[–] Logan8888 8 years ago

Elizabeth Olsen as Scarlet Witch = ART!