So...if Hector sang "Remember Me" to Coco all the time when she was young, how is it that she never realized in all her life that Ernesto's super-big hit song "Remember Me" was the SAME SONG?
I mean, it had the same tune (speeded up, but still), the same words, the same everything. And even if her mother banned music, it was apparently a huge hit - Coco would have heard it in public somewhere, probably many times throughout her life.
So how did she never realize that it was her father's song? How did she never think, "Hey, wait a minute..."? Are we supposed to believe that she somehow avoided hearing it? Or that she thought it was just a massive coincidence that Cruz's big huge smash hit song was the EXACT same one her father sang?
And before you answer, "Well, she just thought de la Cruz wrote the song"...no, she had the original lyrics in her notebook, apparently from a letter Hector wrote to her - the tour guide says so at the end of the movie. Whatever Hector wrote proved that HE wrote the song...yet Coco never realized this. How is that possible? I don't get it.
Of course she had to have heard it in public! But we have no idea what she thought about hearing it on the radio or in the movies, and she wasn't able to tell anyone about her feelings during the course of the movie. But I'd assume that when she heard whatshername singing her father's old song, that either it was a traditional song or her father was singing a song written by his old pal.
If you've ever dealt with someone with dementia, you'd be familiar with the way the brain sort of shuts down neuron by neuron, and sometimes all that's left are fragments of memory or sensation from long ago. The movie was quite realistic about that.
But Coco wasn't born with dementia. Judging from the animations at the beginning of the movie (and the novel), she was a normal young woman who didn't have any cognitive problems when she was young. And since Cruz died in 1942, it's logical to assume "Remember Me" was a huge hit during Coco's young womanhood - and since her father sang it to her all the time, there's no reason to think she DIDN'T immediately recognize it as the song her father sang to her all the time.
And at the end of the movie we're shown that whatever Hector wrote in his letters to Coco, it was enough to give him authorship of the song - "The letters Hector wrote home to his daughter contain the lyrics to all your favorite songs, not just 'Remember Me.'" It's unlikely that Coco kept her father's letters all those years and didn't read them, so she had to know the song wasn't traditional, and that her father wrote it rather than Cruz. Yet the movie acts like she never said anything about it, which is strange.
Put another way: suppose when you were a child, your father wrote a song called "Beat It". He sang it all the time, and since he travelled he wrote you letters containing the lyrics.
Some years later, you're listening to the radio and on comes Michael Jackson's new big smash hit, "Beat It." It's the exact same song your father sang to you as a child. What do you do?
A. Shrug it off as an astonishing coincidence, and watch Jackson become filthy rich and famous off the song
B. Decide that Jackson must have written the song, even though you remember your father singing the song when you were young and you have letters from twenty years ago with those same lyrics in them
C. Realize it's the same song but don't say anything because your mother doesn't like music, even though your family is poor and that song is making Jackson millions and millions of dollars and you have proof that your father wrote the song, and by the way you love your father and want to see his honor is restored
Anyway, there's no way this makes sense in the movie. Logically, Coco would have immediately gone to whoever owned the rights to Cruz's music with her letters, showed them as proof Cruz stole her father's songs, and redeemed his honor. And made her family rich to boot. But of course, if she'd done that there would have been no movie, so the writers just ignore it.
But if your father had been friends and business partners with Michael Jackson, you might think that your father had been singing songs written by his best pal and quoted lyrics written by him in his letters. I suppose you could have suspected that your father helped write some of these hit songs back in the day, but early childhood memories are notoriously unreliable and (I presume) nothing in your father's letters would provide legal proof of authorship. And who knows, maybe you contacted your father's old pal, and he said that yes he'd written that song long before you copyrighted it and your father always liked it.
And when you asked your mother if your father ever wrote songs she told you to shut up and make shoes or she'd give you a whallop...
I agree with the OP. She absolutely had to have known. So did her mother.
All I can really think is that young Coco probably went on her own adventure in her youth trying to get answers about her missing father and failed - considering she was dealing with a murderer who was also a celebrity, I doubt she was able to get anywhere near de la Cruz. Not to mention she was working around her strict mother, who was anti-music. Eventually, she grew old. Maybe we need a Coco 2 to explain this?
I'd be down for that. :-) Although I imagine an adventure like that would probably end up with Coco telling her mother she knew Hector wrote Ernesto's big hit song and they should at least get some money for it, and Imelda answering that she doesn't want any of that "devil money" since Hector abandoned his family.
I saw the movie again and found another weird spot - at one point in the story Miguel says Cruz was a great songwriter and Hector scoffs, BUT doesn't say "Oh yeah? What if I told you I wrote all his songs?" It's strange that Hector doesn't tell Miguel that, since A. it's true and B. that would have been a perfect point in the narrative for Hector to stay that.
But, he doesn't tell Miguel he wrote de la Cruz's songs. I think he should have, because at that point Miguel knows Hector is a BS artist and wouldn't have believed him anyway. So, it wouldn't have changed the narrative - Miguel would have just assumed Hector was lying until later, when the confrontation with Cruz proves Hector was telling the truth.
And it's strange that Hector has no reaction to all those other artists singing "Remember Me" - after all, he wrote it for Coco, and as such how can he have no reaction to hearing his tender, heartfelt plea to his daughter turned into an overplayed pop hit? All it would have taken was for Hector to get a sudden sad, wistful look as he's hearing the song, and Miguel to ask what's wrong, and Hector to just shrug it off. Oh well!
So what you are saying is that Elvis stole “Love Me Tender” from my mom when she sung it to us as kids back in the day? Damn, I never knew.
Of course any parent can sing a song to their kids and it becomes “their” song. It does not mean that the parent wrote it. Even if this song become a hit by someone else later on. Truth is that I have no idea where most of the songs my mom sang to us are from... a few I recognize later on, and so what? I am confident she did not write any of them.
A bigger question to me is; why didn’t the dad seek out his family in the land of the dead in all these years? He even died while being homesick...
They didn't believe him. He was away from the family for a longtime "on the road". They make it clear in the movie that he had sought them out many times and they never wanted to hear from him. Pushed him away and didn't believe his stories.
But I don't believe that Hector intended to never return when he first left.
But I guess that he was persuaded by Ernesto that they had to work outside their town to make it as musicians.
Which would have made a lot of sense too.
But it was made clear that Hector got tired of touring and being away from his family.
However, Ernesto was ambitious enough to steal and lie and even commit murder to become a star.
Unfortunately, Imelda believed that Hector had just abandoned her even after she too died decades later.
But luckily, Miguel managed to make her let go off her anger and forgive Hector...
Tell who exactly? The family wanted nothing to do with music. They wouldn't have encouraged Coco to speak out about something like that. They wanted no musicians in the family. What would be the motive to tell everyone that it was Hector's song? Also, she'd have to tell about the book of songs she had, which she obviously kept to herself and didn't share with anyone. They tried to forget Hector, and Coco was very young when it happened. She was told he abandoned the family, etc.
Her memories were moslty of him when she was a very little girl, but obviously she still remembered him as a terrific man.
So also I guess it wasn't important to Coco to get credit for that song really.
But she could have told the family about everything and lifted the ban on music after the death of her mother.
It is never explained why she didn't do that, when it's clear that she always had fond memories of her father.
However, this story has a case of the title character and the protagonist not being the same person.
So it was up to Miguel to make things right, and he wouldn't get help from Coco until the movie is almost over.
But it makes no sense in-universe, unless Coco still was afraid of her mother even after she passed away.
Which could be it, since we can see that Imelda held the family in a tight grip even on the other side.
So I guess that Miguel singing that song and that she was dying now made Coco finally talk?
I think I may have found a clue to why Coco didn't do anything until it almost was too late.
It is apparently stated in the novelization that Coco rebelled in her youth until she hurt her ankle while dancing.
And now I wonder if she took this injury as a sign that she had to respect her mother's rules in the future?
And she would have just waited for many decades until the time was right for her to talk about her father...
That said, it is implied that she wasn't as strict about upholding the ban on music as Imelda and Elena were.
After all, she still had fond memories of Hector and kept his letters to her and a photo of him in a drawer.
I think I also read somewhere that she had sung for Miguel when he was a baby and triggered his love for music.
Thus, she managed to be an inspiration for the future cycle breaker even if she couldn't fill that role herself...
I highly doubt that they had a radio in Coco's house after Hector left/got murder. I mean when you consider the fact Hector's granddaughter is beating (muscian) with a shoe in the one scene or closing the windows when Pizza Planet truck appears?
Coco’s mother made it clear that music was prohibited in the Rivera family.
My guess is that young adult and middle age Coco and elderly Coco were very different people. The former was very strict about being anti-music and passed it along to Miguel’s Abuelita. She is also very anti-music because Coco taught her to be that way.
So, when Coco heard Ernesto’s “Remember Me”, she probably just ignored it and didn’t say anything to the family due to the anti-music rule. It probably brought painful memories of her father abandoning her. So, she rather not talk about it.
Actually, I don't believe that Coco was as fierce about the music ban as Imelda and Elena were.
It is after all stated in the novelization that she sang for Miguel when he was a baby.
But it would not make sense for Elena to be anti-music and Coco not. Elena was Coco’s daughter. She was born after Hector died and, presumably abandoned his family. So, she doesn’t have the trauma.
So, if Coco loved music, she wouldn’t have passed the anti-music mentality to her daughter.
Well, I have not read the novelization either.
So I got my information from what somebody else has written about it on the Internet.
But anyway, you can read what I think about Coco's role in the story higher up in this thread.
To summarize, my theory is that the injury that she got from dancing made her stop rebelling and fall into line.
And it would have been natural for Elena to admire her strong grandmother and become too much like her.
It is notable that Miguel says that Elena runs the family like Imelda did and doesn't compare her to Coco.
The more I think about it, the more I believe that Coco was different from them.
It is true that we don't know much about Coco between when she was a little girl and when she was really old.
However, just the fact that she kept the letters from Hector and a photo of him shows that she still loved him.
It is clear too that Miguel was really fond of Coco even after she hardly could respond to what he said anymore.
It is probably not a coincidence that the story is named after her even though she's not the protagonist.
While we don't see her do much before her last scene, it would make sense that she inspired Miguel.
So he could do what she never was able to do and make things right with a little help from her in the end...
Well, it is clear that there was a lot of dysfunction going on in that family.
It is like all of them except for Miguel were messed up because of a generational trauma.
And I now think that this also is what made Coco unable to do anything before somebody else had done their bit.