'How did men go from Jack Nicholson and Harrison Ford to...'
The same way women went from Marilyn Monroe to you.
'Get yourself a real dog. Any dog under 50 lbs is a cat and cats are pointless' - Ron Swanson
The same way women went from Marilyn Monroe to you.
'Get yourself a real dog. Any dog under 50 lbs is a cat and cats are pointless' - Ron Swanson
This is so original, let me laugh.....
An actress that won every award possible, and who grossed over 1.5 billion at the box office. Yes, so shabby.
Yes, because a woman lamenting about men changing is original or something. Sure.
'Get yourself a real dog. Any dog under 50 lbs is a cat and cats are pointless' - Ron Swanson
I know this is a attempt at snark, and a poor one at that. But my question is, why would anyone actually want to be like Marilyn Monroe? Considering the way her life went and all?
If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do. -Angel
You're definitely right, it was more about getting annoyed seeing that line in EVERY commercial for the movie. If that's the best the movie has to offer than it's probably not even worth watching. It's just lazily written and pandering to the lowest common denominator. The specific example I chose is kind of irrelevant though in my opinion. I chose MM for lack of a better example and because many see her as the 'classic' woman.
The point was that the comment makes women sound like they have no input as to how society changes, and that it's all because of men. They're just helpless and along for the ride as what it means to be a man changes through the years. Which is nonsense of course. Times change, as do the norms for the sexes, both male and female. The commercial makes it look like only men have changed from one generation to the next and women haven't changed at all...
'Get yourself a real dog. Any dog under 50 lbs is a cat and cats are pointless' - Ron Swanson
Actually the movie addresses the changes in our society much deeper the a shallow quip in a commercial shows. The movie reflects on the difference in the generations and their approach toward the work place, as well as the changes in the family unit (she is operating a start-up internet company and her husband gives up his successful career to become a stay at home dad) Additionally, she has to deal with snippy full time Moms.
There is a decent exploration (and not much blaming) as to how all our roles in modern society have changed, for better and for worse.
Exploration? The movie couldn't be more shallow and cliche.
share(she is operating a start-up internet company and her husband gives up his successful career to become a stay at home dad) Additionally, she has to deal with snippy full time Moms.
You probably shouldn't feel attacked, it's just a character saying something that she believes (while being drunk, at that). Although the first reaction in such a case might be to feel the need to defend your view of things, her opinion doesn't really mean anything, only yours does, to you. It doesn't even matter that it's in all the trailers, because you know what opinions are like... and really everybody has one (as they should). Don't spend energy to get mad, spend it to laugh at the jokes that work or to enjoy De Niro's simple and effortless acting. But that's just my opinion, really. :))
shareMore like from Audrey Hepburn, Grace Kelly, Ingrid Bergman, Elizabeth Taylor to Miley Cyrus, Kim Kardashian, Lena Dunham and Broad City girls.
shareI can get the Harrison Ford reference, but Jack Nicholson?
He got fat, fast.
More like from Audrey Hepburn, Grace Kelly, Ingrid Bergman, Elizabeth Taylor to Miley Cyrus, Kim Kardashian, Lena Dunham and Broad City girls.
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Although your post is 11 months old (to the day), it will forever ring through...............BRAVO!
everyone deserves the chance to fly!
Actually, my gut reaction to that quip was "from Jack Nicholson and Harrison Ford to...Daniel Craig, Havier Bardem and Tom Hardy"??
How does the comparison between "hollywood superstar and average guy" work exactly? It's not like the average guy from harrison ford's era looked like harrison ford. :P
It doesn't really make sense, it was just there for some portion of the audience to nod and go "mhhhhmm, preach sister!" :D
Excellent points. Like comparing a magazine model to a real person. "Oh, why can't you be just like <insert 2-dimensional model>".
Real person:
Jack Nicholson - had a daughter with 1st wife. They were divorced after 6 years. He has 2 or 3 kids from other women, not married.
Harrison Ford - Divorced twice with 2 kids from each marriage. Had a mid-life crisis and married Calista Flockhart.
Very smooth and debonair. Does everyone want to be like that? Is that what she wants, to have a couple of kids from different marriages? It's her choice.
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The biggest thing I don't like about this show is the way it reveals how much we don't give a damn about our elderly, specifically elderly men. Why does this old man have to get a job anyway? Damn this economy if De Niro's character has to work until he dies while young girls reach heights that they're really not qualified for. This show could have exposed how fcked up Affirmative Action is in the workplace. But, it was trying to be a cute romantic comedy while empowering women.
shareThe biggest thing I don't like about this show is the way it reveals how much we don't give a damn about our elderly, specifically elderly men. Why does this old man have to get a job anyway? Damn this economy if De Niro's character has to work until he dies while young girls reach heights that they're really not qualified for. This show could have exposed how fcked up Affirmative Action is in the workplace. But, it was trying to be a cute romantic comedy while empowering women.If this is a joke post, I apologize for not getting it. I love snark. Seriously.
Q: "What happened to you (men)? How is it that in the space of two generations you went from Harrison Ford and Jack Nicholson to . . . . . (she gestures toward the schlubby, slacker, unshaven, T-shirt-and-sneakers-at-work 20-something guys she's standing next to)." -- Anne Hathaway in "The Intern"
A: The Law of Unintended Consequences* is not optional. Thomas Sowell's maxim “There are no solutions, only tradeoffs” is almost always true. And the bromide 'You (women) can have it all, baby' -- a staple of feminist marketing since it took root in it's 1966-75 heyday -- is a lie (trying to 'do it all' usually results in being mediocre at most of what you attempt). So when women decided that they wanted to be astronauts, firefighters, Navy Seals, MMA fighters, etc., and that being a divorced (or never-married) single mother were all culturally acceptable, they were unaware that they were sending messages to men that they didn't need them (very much) anymore. But successive generations of males did in fact hear that message, and have responded by avoiding the adoption of traditional adult masculine behavior, and remaining in perpetual adolescence, ensconced in video-game-and-comic-book culture. Of course this doesn't happen across the board or all at once; social inertia has retained instances of men with older values. But this is the trend, and it will continue. Nancy Meyers' desire to create a hybrid man -- part Gary Cooper (who will protect her from the dark forces in the world), and part Emo Philips (who will commiserate with her emotions while being her housekeeper) -- must inevitably fail, because it's a Frankenstein monster that can not exist . . . . except in the movies.
* What happens when simple solutions designed to affect one dimension are applied to regulate a complex, multi-dimensional system, where other dimensions adjust to counteract the desired change. This is often initiated by naïve “cost-benefit analyses” launched under the treacherous condition where benefits are small & visible (payback on a short political timescale), while long-term costs are very large, and long-term risks are very hidden.
i reject the Emo Philips part
shareExactly right and as we have been seeing time and time again, women are never happy even when they get exactly what they want.
In relation to the film, Anne's character has benefited from Feminism and yet she still stands there putting the men who have just helped her down.
When you realize you can never win, you stop trying and start pleasing yourself.
It's also important to note that women are no longer the mature types they used to be either, women are also stuck in a type of adolescence just as many men are.
Sometimes a movie or tv show plot is so stupid that only the stupid can understand it.
Every male expect De Niro's character was basicly some kind of degenerated hipster metrosexual boy under his wife's/girlfriend's thumb. Not that many female characters could be described as "strong independent women" either.
And on top of all that plenty of loathsome corporate america culture thrown into mix.
Simply one of the most disgusting and boring films i've seen in a long time. Rating: 5/10
It could also be movies/TV/media's relentless celebration of any female's success being associated with their gender, and any male's failure being associated with their gender.
The feminist undermining of boys is starting to pay dividends for them.
I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe
Just my two cents: a few month ago, I happened to have a flat in front of a residential building, on a quite circulated street. I also forgot my phone (clearly wasn't one of my best days), so I didn't have much choice than to change the tire myself. I not a big person (around 120 pounds), I was having trouble with the 16'' tires - but being on a circulated street, I was kinda expecting that someone would stop and help me...Well, no such luck. One older guy actually watched me from his window, as I was jumping on the crowbar to loosen the screws :)
Being raised in a well-behaved and polite family, this left me a bit underwhelmed...If this is what Anne Hathaway's character was talking about (as in my interpretation) I totally and wholeheartedly agree.
Do.Or do not.There is no try.
You're right - a large woman should have stopped and assisted you.
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OK, what I was trying to say:
Physically, I'm smaller, lighter and weaker. I am, and always have been the weaker sex when it comes to lifting weights and such. I know about it, I accept it as a reality, and I welcome any help offered in these matters.
Mentally, not so. I don't need a man to explain me the news. Or the interest rate. Or whatever. I might need a smarter person sometimes, but it doesn't necessarily has to be a man.
...but I understand it's a hard concept to grasp...for some people...
Do.Or do not.There is no try.
Second, you can thank the lunatics who cry rape if a male looks at a woman or tries to help. A lot of people don't want to get involved now because of this...
We've got a ton of women who think empowerment is being independent and not needing men and then when a man doesn't help you, you're offended?
I enjoyed the film, but this line I had the biggest problem with. Apart from the fact she is stereotyping all men, these nerds had just done something really nice for her, they put their necks on the line, risking their freedom and liberty for her and she returns the favour by insulting them!
And what is she going on about anyway, she married the king of nerds!
I enjoyed the film, but this line I had the biggest problem with. Apart from the fact she is stereotyping all men, these nerds had just done something really nice for her, they put their necks on the line, risking their freedom and liberty for her and she returns the favour by insulting them!
Oh thats right I forgot about the new consent laws that teach us that as soon as we have a drink we completely lose all agency and become completely innocent of all our actions.....
shareOh thats right I forgot about the new consent laws that teach us that as soon as we have a drink we completely lose all agency and become completely innocent of all our actions.....
Agreed; those "boys" had just saved her relationship with her mom, and she not only disses them but engages in stereotyping, something women hate when men do it to them.
But also, by comparing them to Jack Nicholson and Harrison Ford, that's really TWO generations, not one. Should we compare Meryl Streep and Helen Mirren to Lindsay Lohan and Myley Cyrus?