startlingly racist/sizeist trailer
This movie would look decent, except there were way too many racist, ignorant, and fat shaming jokes. Shame on Jason Bateman
shareThis movie would look decent, except there were way too many racist, ignorant, and fat shaming jokes. Shame on Jason Bateman
shareInstead let's all hold hands and sing hymns.
shareI agree, to be honest. The racist Indian jokes were making me cringe and roll my eyes so damn hard. Calling the little kid a "curryhole" and "slumdog" is not funny at all. That crap is racist as f-ck and unfunny, and I wonder when Hollywood is going to move past these overdone curry "jokes". Now, I'm going to wait for of all the racist idiots to tell me to "stop being so sensitive", "it's just a joke, learn how to take it", or "stop being offended at nothing".
shareI just came back from seeing it and some jokes made me feel a bit uneasy but I think that's the point of the movie. This guy is a loser who doesn't care about anybody's feelings. He's a immature douchebag who's only priority is to accomplish his idiotic goal. I just associated all that with the character's personality. Some of it was pretty funny so all in all it was worth it.
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You realize the purpose of those jokes is to show us what a douche the racist character is, don't you?
Movies show racists, murderers, rapists, liars, adulterers, egotists and people with all sorts of reprehensible traits. Sometimes their shocking behavior is ridiculed for comedic effect. That doesn't mean we are meant to condone those behaviors. It's not that people should "learn how to take a joke", it's that people need to understand that in a case such as this, the target of the joke is meant to be the racist himself, not his victims.
Sometimes the main character in a film is not supposed to be "the good guy". "Psycho" and "A Clockwork Orange" are two examples of films where the "main character" does horrible things, and while we may feel pity for him on some level, we aren't meant to cheer for him.
Racist jokes exist, but showing racist behavior by an unsympathetic character is not racist, it is ANTI-racist. It would be racist if the makers of the film intended for us to approve of and cheer for the racist behavior, but I don't think that's the case here.
I know that was the point of the jokes, but my problem with race jokes in movies/tv shows (no matter what their context is) is that it might shape the perception people have of said race/nationality/ethnicity. Even though this movie was trying to be ironic with the racist jokes and use what is called hipster racism, it is still nevertheless racism. Here is a link that talks about ironic/hipster racism: http://gawker.com/5903468/a-girls-writers-ironic-racism-and-other-whit e-people-problems/all
Here's an excerpt from that link: "To avoid getting sucked in the black hole of discussing "hipsters," maybe we should call it "ironic racism." It's a distancing gesture, racism with the acknowledgment that I should know better and I don't care. Assiduously casual, meant to demonstrate a kind of worldliness or edginess, "hipster racism" acts like a behavioral flannel jacket or a trucker cap, a rejection of perceived upper-middle-class values, still wrapped in enough layers of irony to create a distance from the mythical rednecks or hillbillies it's thought to be emulating. Whether or not the hipster racist "actually believes" the *beep* he spouts (or thinks it's some kind of sophisticated satire) is immaterial; it's a posture, a performance, a middle finger to mom and dad and all the "McCarthyist hijackers" who won't let Benjamin Leo say *beep* or whatever his beef is. (Sometimes, to be clear, it's just cluelessness.) The deep-down beliefs of the hipster racist are also immaterial, it goes without saying, to the subjects of his invective."
These jokes are not doing Indian people any favors, whether it's done for the sake of satire or not. I'm not really good at articulating myself, so please feel free to let me know if I'm not making any sense here. :)
For example, the character Apu from The Simpsons. While the intentions of the creator for that character might not have been bad, that character still unfortunately shaped a few stereotypes about the Indian diaspora in the West. I live in the US (specifically the Dallas area of Texas), and I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone make racist Apu jokes whenever they met an Indian. Or how many times they tried to imitate or make fun of the accent. Or how many times they've bragged about bothering an Indian who worked in a convenient store by telling them "Thank you, come again" in that same over the top accent. Those idiots thought they were being hilarious and edgy by doing this stupid crap.
This movie, whether the racism is intentional or not, is not doing anything favorable either. Ironic racism or "hipster racism" is still racism. Indian immigrants who live in the West already get a lot of crap from Westerners for eating curry. I can't tell you how many times both in real life and on the internet, people always bring up curry in a condescending way whenever talking about Indians. I remember when Priyanka Chopra (she's a Bollywood actress) performed at the NFL, some disgusting people on the internet were asking "does her vagina smell like curry?"
Don't even get me started on the "slumdog" joke. I also have to add, even though I am not an Indian (I'm an Afghan woman), I still understand how these racist jokes marginalize certain ethnicities/races. I mean, I as an Afghan have received a lot of racism here and get made fun of all the time by Westerners, and it does hurt me.
I think the type of glib "hipster racism" described in the article is different from the use of racism for satirical purposes in the case of say, the Archie Bunker character on "All in the Family". I recognize that you reject the depiction of racist behavior for satire.
I also think that racism in Texas is a problem with deep social roots that will not be fixed by eliminating racist behavior from fiction.
It's clear that you feel strongly about this issue. Even though you haven't persuaded me to change my opinion, I appreciate that your opinion is the product of reflection and personal experience, rather than a knee-jerk reaction. Thanks for such a thoughtful reply.
You're welcome, and I appreciate that you did not insult me or call me names even though we disagreed about this issue. :)
shareWouldn't it be sizist? or maybe size-ist? or just go ahead and say what you really mean... fattist? But that sounds like and resembles "fattest", which kind of defeats the purpose... I am scratching my head on this one. As made-up words go, I find myself in a confusnundrum.
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The trailer is a bit rude but the movie was great overall. Pleasantly surprised.
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Because the character he plays is a jerk? Makes sense to me.
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Not racist. Ignorant, perhaps. And racist would be wrong. But what is wrong with fat shaming? People can't change their race, but they choose to be fat. And I don't like it.
shareDidn't seem racist at all, he's pretty much just offensive to everyone.
shareIt was politically incorrect and I loved it.
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