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This movie confirms why I will never own an Apple product...


Well, this film is very well made, let's be honest. I'm very anti-Apple because of reasons anyone else is anti-Apple. And it shows in the film just within the first 10 minutes, that even Steve Jobs is struggling with his own decicions.
"Don't you have a screwdriver?"
"It can't be open with a screwdriver, it needs special tools to be opened and I don't have them with me".
(Not an actual dialogue from the movie, just a short version)

I had a friend who was good with technology and could fix *beep* for himself. He had an iPhone and a single water droplet got into jack socket of it and ruined it. He wrote to Apple to fix it on warranty, but they declined as they said he damaged the thing himself and they only could offer to fix it for half the value of the phone. He decided to fix it himself, because he knew he could, but couldnt get inside the *beep* thing without damaging it, because he didn't have the "Special tools".

I have a friend living in London, being die-hard user of iPhone and iPad. He has the cheapest TV in his room (like 20 inches or so) and is going through life as cheap as he can, but he owns those two *beep* things. And once he asked me to borrow my laptop, because he needed to do some online tests and *beep* to get a promotion in his job. I borrowed him my laptop, and when he was done, he asked if he could keep it a bit longer, because he got into some online game that wasn't avaliable for Apple users. I left him my laptop. He gave it back to me couple months ago with some *beep* installed on it, so he can access some Apple media or something, that I can't uninstall (seriously).

I'm anti-apple because I think Apple products are highly overpriced and inaccessible. I dress myself in shops with casual clothing and the way I look at iStore is the same as I look at United Colors of Benetton store - rich hipster's stores. And both are always almost empty when I pass them by in the shopping center.

And the movie proves that behind all what I hated about Apple products stands one guy, that is kinda self-centered dickhead, thinking of himself as artist of computing. I liked the movie, as the movie as it is great job of Danny Boyle and Aaron Sorkin (mostly Sorkin) with actors giving great performances, but it let me understand why I'm so anti-apple. I wonder if when Bill Gates will die, some skilled screenwriter-director team will be able to make movie about him so soon after his death and Apple fans will feel the same.

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Oh, and to be honest I didn't read much about the movie before I've seen it, so I was patiently waiting for it to show Jobs going full douche before iPhone and iPad launch. Luckily it was spared.

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My pal was your polar opposite, he owned a Mac computer because he hated Bill Gates, for no reason I could ever figure out except he was wealthy. Gates, not my pal. And after i purchased my first computer I mentioned to him that (at the time) around 95% of all programs wouldn't run on his Mac, but that didn't faze him one bit. Curious fellow he was, he never delete anything from his Mac, he would re-format the hard drive. I mean like once every couple of weeks, only had a simple 'office" type program and he would print out minutes of meetings at our club, and print out expense reports maybe once a month. And i'd see him at the Vets Club several times a week and he'd mention that he re-formatted his hard drive again. probably only used about 4% of the entire memory the entire time he owned it, didn't have any games, just that one Office Spreadsheet type of program. No way he was going on-line either, I recall tellin' him that I had just purchased a 14.4kb Modem.
Something else odd about him, which made me think all Mac users had a screw loose: He used to go in the club a lot and would leave for a bit, then come back in. Well it turns out that he bet a guy that he could quit smoking, but for about 15 years he would sneak out to his car and drive around the block, just so he wouldn't have to pay up a bet, which was for zero dollars. We didn't find out that he still smoked until after he passed away, and then one of the guys told us he knew for 15 years that the guy was still smoking.
I never owned an Apple product either, just don't understand all the talking heads on TV bragging they have drawers full of old Apples, and that they have to buy one of every new Apple device, don't know what I'm missing, oh well.

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I TOTALLY agree. I've never owned any Crapple product and never will. I've always built and repaired my own PCs, and I own a Samsung Galaxy S6 (which I absolutely love). I have friends who own iPhones and I laugh every time I see them use them. All they do with them is text and make phone calls lol. I have various apps on my phone and can do anything from reminding myself to take a pill to tracking flights in the sky by aiming the phone at them. I can put any kind of background on it, reorder the windows, or add widgets that do practically everything. I hate to say it, but since their products are so uncustomizable and ultra-simple to use, most of their users are either women or children. For some people though, Apple is a cult, and its users are part of a religion.

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I have various apps on my phone and can do anything from reminding myself to take a pill to tracking flights in the sky by aiming the phone at them. I can put any kind of background on it, reorder the windows, or add widgets that do practically everything.


I'm not sure if you're joking or being sarcastic, but in case you're not, I thought I should let you know that you can also do all that on an iPhone/iPad. I own Apple products because I had to use them at work and it was easier as I did a lot of home working too. And quite a few people I know have Apple stuff for the same reason - I really don't think it's a cult! It seems weird to me how some people will get all antsy about what devices other people choose to use.

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I couldn't agree more, particularly with your last sentence. Why do people get so hot and bothered about another's preference of devices? Mystery.

I've been using Applr devices since the early 90s. Had to for work, to begin with. Since then I've had four computers, three I got used, bought one new, all Apples. They do last a long time. In all of those years i only had one problem I couldn't fix myself. One.

Years ago I had an Apple monitor that went bad. Called Apple. By the next morning they'd delivered a brand new one to my door and picked up the old one -- no charge. That's customer service.

Seems to me the anti-Apple folks are just as cultish and snobbish as they claim people who like Apple products are. They're just devices, not a hill worth dying on.

Oh, and yes, Jobs was a right arse. No argument.

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The problem is with most people is they don't know what they want in a product whether its apple or whatever. Then when they go to use it and it doesn't do what they want then they get pissed off and condemn the whole company when really its the user that should get most of the blame.

For instance I'm not a computer geek but I'm not computer illiterate either. So after struggling for years with window PCs, apple computers are what I prefer. Now when it comes to phones I stay away from apple because they don't have expandable memory.

The point I'm trying to make is, know your product and what you are going to be using it for. Brand loyalty is such a retarded way of going through life. Check the product out first before you make the purchase.

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...I'm not a computer geek but I'm not computer illiterate either. So after struggling for years with window PCs, apple computers are what I prefer.



But isn't "struggling for years with window PCs" the definition of computer illiteracy? ;)





Now if that bastard so much as twitches, I'm gonna blow him right to Mars.

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The film is brilliant. The way the whole story is constructed completely surprised me. Fassbender, Winslet and the rest did a great job, too.

Steve Jobs wasn't the nicest person out there, but I kinda respect obnoxious people with a vision more than false and always smiling managers with a goal-orientated attitude (that's a quote from IT specialists CVs I had to read once).

So here's what hit me:

1. "Special tools" to open an iPhone? That's a Phillips screwdriver and anything that you can pry the cover open with.

2. That comparison with Benetton... Kinda funny because Benetton is not expensive. It's all mass-production for the middle class. The difference in price between a high-end Android smartphone or tablet and an iPhone or iPad is not that big. You will preach about technical specs most probably, but they mean nothing after a few months of using. Android is not as efficient as iOS.

3. People need stuff for different things. If you need a computer to watch Netflix, you don't need to buy an "overpriced" Mac. But I like the idea of a closed system you can't tamper with but you can rely on. This film made me realize that. My Macbook Air cost me as much as the last good laptop that I had, which was a 10 year old Sony Vaio. The good stuff is never cheap, but if it means I won't have to cry because my computer suddenly died with no warning and an open source software ruined the coding of a whole day's work, then be it.

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I agree, I couldn't make it 15 minutes into this movie. Just too much ignorance, yelling and arguing...skipped half-way threw the movie, NOTHING changes! Crap! I've always laughed at the Apple guys, always miles behind on technology, and Lighter Wallets too! I guess there's a sucker born every minute. I've owned 2 iphones and they were reliable and still work, but just constant Issues, no sound, random shut downs or freeze ups...I just use them for mp3 players and quick storage devices. But Windows is FAR superior, because of the expandability and interface. I guess some people are just computer illiterate, so they choose apple instead.

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Speaking from a Graphic Desigers point of view, If you're a true designer you'll understand and respect the need for design in all walks of life. Design in form and function. Design for aesthetics. Design for living. Apple stands for all these factors and succeed in doing so. If you are going to spend a chunk of your life designing on a computer, do it with one that is built for it. The processer, the minimalism, the ergonomics, the simplicity. When have you ever seen a PC on a desk as a thing of beauty, an object of lust, an icon of time. There are many points why Macs outweigh PCs and it's not until you enter this 'Apple world' until you realise how much better everything is. Some get it straight away, some take longer. Some don't ever get it and those individuals are usually your average designers.

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Speaking from a Graphic Desigers point of view, If you're a true designer you'll understand and respect the need for design in all walks of life. Design in form and function. Design for aesthetics. Design for living. Apple stands for all these factors and succeed in doing so. If you are going to spend a chunk of your life designing on a computer, do it with one that is built for it. The processer, the minimalism, the ergonomics, the simplicity. When have you ever seen a PC on a desk as a thing of beauty, an object of lust, an icon of time. There are many points why Macs outweigh PCs and it's not until you enter this 'Apple world' until you realise how much better everything is. Some get it straight away, some take longer. Some don't ever get it and those individuals are usually your average designers.


I hope that is satire because if its not you are one giant Apple wanker.

A mac is just a PC with a unix clone os. You know, how you can get PC harder cheaper and put a linux OS on it for half the price of a mac and twice the power. Thats desktops with a real a graphics card and not a laptop gpu inside a "desktop" so it looks pretty.

As for design there are literally thousands of PC cases out there you can buy for a desktop.

As for laptops, err, mac books are boring to look at.

There is nothing a mac can do that a PC can't. Absolutely nothing.

Only "designers" who use macs are low end advertising chumps. Any serious, high end design would be done on a powerful workstation with monitors costing more than a whole mac each.

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The problem with your anti-Apple sentiment is that like most anti-Apple folks it's based on the bare minimum of information. Information which ranges from overgeneralisation to down right myths. Information which is then spread around like it's the be all end all of knowledge and is from a bunch of people who have hardly so much as looked at an Apple device.
The accessibility of Apple devices for example is quite an extreme generalisation as accessibility is variable from device to device I think most Mac laptops these days will require a pentalobe screwdriver but all of this is reasonably easy to find not to mention all you have to do is pop over to ifix it for guides to just about any Apple product you might want to open.
The Power PC era for example was very accessible, you didn't even need a screwdriver to open a Powermac you just pulled a lever and opened it. Though I think back then it's because Jon Rubinstein had a bit more influence back then and now the more design focused Jonny Ive has the power.
The overpriced argument I've always found pretty stupid as well since it's quite a subjective thing and depends on what you place value on. I'd imagine that for you a computer's value goes only as far as it's specs but for me it's a very different thing. I'd rather pay more for a Macintosh because I find it an overall more pleasing experience.
I also had a look and the special tools to open and work on a macintosh consist of a T15 Torx Screwdriver a Philips #1 screwdriver and a 6 in 1 Screwdriver.
Never mind the I don't like Steve Jobs so I don't like Apple comment, it discounts the work of some of the best minds in the industry but whatever.

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I don't see your opinion about not wanting to buy an apple product as wrong at all. They are really for rich hipsters, lol. I use a 2006 Macbook with a white body. It still works really well. I can actually upload Windows 10 to it at some point, so it won't be out of date. I think the older products had more durability to it. The news ones can't do as much as a Windows laptop at the same price.

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