Extremely disappointing movie with an ending that was so illogical it made me go “What the…?”
A company wants the Tasmanian Tiger so bad that they will (despite their own best interests and logic) kill an environmentalist because he MIGHT have seen one once a few years ago (according to his daughter) and will incinerate a mother and child (even though they were able to break in and steal the coordinates from Martin’s desk without waking anyone) will now respond to Martin’s final actions with “Oh, he found it’s den and killed it. That’s a wrap guys! Call off the hunt.” That’s just silly.
I have three major problems with this movie.
1.) Martin was a little bit of a loner in the beginning and not so much at the end. I love subtle but this arc was nearly non-existent, muddled and unnecessary.
2.) The company’s logic is stupefying. Why would anyone bother to kill the environmentalist or his family? It’s an unnecessary risk. It’s not like the Armstrong’s were keeping a pet Tazzy Tiger in the backyard and weren’t sharing it. To that point, if Martin decided he didn’t want to hunt it, then they just would hire another hunter. It’s not like he ran off with their money. Where’s the motivation for anything the company was doing?
3.) The ending; Martin decides to kill the last of the species to keep the company from getting it?!!?!? That’s nuts! Why not just have him go native out there protecting it from other hunters?!? How does he even know it’s the last one, that doesn’t make sense? Others have mentioned the possible medical benefits its body might provide, but what about just saving it for the sake of saving it?
And don’t get me started on Sam Neill’s muddled story line. Not his fault, great actor but was he friends with loggers, sexually interested in Ms. Armstrong, working for the company (and complicate)?!?!?!?
The story is just so busy making its point that it fails to tell a coherent story.
I agree that this film is a mess, from the unnecessary and cliched tension between Martin and Rival Hunter (the name says it all) at the beginning up until the child running in slow motion into his arms at the end. It felt like Martin was driving from the cabin to the forest and back for half the movie, and the characters he met along the way (the townspeople, loggers, stoners, Sam Neill) were poorly written and developed.
Rival Hunter's burning of the house and murder of two innocent, uninvolved people because Martin was behind schedule was far fetched and ridiculous. Rival Hunter had the information he needed, and if not he could have used the family as collateral if he wasn't able to find Martin, or at least he could have chosen not to alert the nonexistent authorities by burning people alive. When Rival Hunter found Martin, he should have been aware and intelligent enough to think that Martin may try to lead him into one of his traps. Also, if the company was so ruthless, I highly doubt they will just give up sending hunters to the area because of Martin's voicemail. The townspeople will still be bothered by the company, Martin will be on the run, and an animal is now extinct.
I thought Dafoe was well cast for this role, but the writers didn't give him enough material to work with, and his arc at the end of the film seemed forced as a result. The final scene with the child running toward Martin in slow motion seemed over the top, and it could have been handled better as well. I hope he's not planning to bring the child along while the company hunts him down.
The cinematography of the landscapes was well done as many have mentioned, and I enjoyed seeing this side of Australia. But, it's hard to mess up shooting such a beautiful area when the beauty is all around you.
I agree. I vacationed in Tasmania so I watched it for the scenery. It could have made clearer the fight to stop logging of old-growth forests for pulp! Too many unncessary suspensions-of-belief are needed for this odd story. Frances O'Connor is hot, and Defoe gives a good performance.
wow guys you said it all, I was having a hard time trying to find words for this mess, you two saved me. Also what the *beep* with 6.7 rating, it lured me to this stinker :(
For modern movies less than 7 is where you should usually get skeptical. There's a lot of weak movies between 6 and 6.5, most people seem to be easily entertained.
writinman - care to elaborate, or answer the points made? Personally, I was also puzzled by those elements. I enjoyed the film, but only because of Willem Dafoe's harrowed face and the unfamiliar landscape. The story made little sense, and the mother and child - lead characters - were dispatched very arbitrarily off-screen and for no clear reason. What exactly was the father? Why was he redleaf? What was Sam Neill about? Who was the other hunter, and what was he about?
Like you, busterboy, I enjoyed the film. I, on the other hand, found no serious plotholes in this tale. And don't get me wrong, I appreciate the gravity of the accusations made in this thread. I too have a real problem with stories not making any sense, and with characters actions being poorly motivated. (If anyone doubts the veracity of that claim, they can go read my scorching review of 'Y - The Last Man' graphic novel series on amazon.co.uk for confirmation). With that said, lets get to it.
Spoilers abound below, but hey, that goes for this entire thread.
Bears points: 1. You'll have to elaborate a bit on this one if you want a more elaborate answer. Mainly: yes, it is subtle, but it is not in any way nonexistant if you care to watch. Martin is a real loner, and not in a small way. He may not be unkind or uncaring, but notice how callously he shuts down the initial approach of the children. Yet slowly, and in spite of himself, he thaws up in an entirely credible fashion. No hollywood hogwash lovestory there. Just credible people starting to get emotionally engaged with each other. That's it. So my guess is that you really have another problem with that arc. Care to share, Bear?
2. To get any hints of whats going on with the company, again, you need to pay attention to details. Armstrong got paranoid with the company. That means they weren't telling him up front of their intentions. The company also has a cleaner, and this guy is obviously a stone cold killer: heavyhanded and brutal. His encounter with Martin should tell you as much. Armstrong was obviously a dreamer,with sincere eco-warrior (savior) complexes. We can infer: the company will have played him as such. He gets it towards the end: the company wanted the tiger and its dna for one thing only: the toxin. The name Red Leaf suggests bloodwork. Maybe not just engineering the stuff, aye?At any rate, we have a couple of pretty cold businessmen in the background. It should be obvious to everyone that if the cleaner came with the intention of wiping out the entire family, he would have done so first, and looked at the computer later. His main concern was getting info while maintaining secrecy, however. As for what happens to the mother and daughter, that should help clarify it for you. As for what happened to the man... well. Ecowarrior/saviour type is finally confronted in the same fashion as Martin was. He is asked a question. Now. What do YOU think happened? I think it makes pretty good sense, with a cynical company pulling the strings in the background, and a brutal killer up front.
3. He may not know it's the last one. No one could know that, obviously. But he has been searching for long enough to make an educated guess that any other survivors will likely not be found any time soon, and likely just aren't there. While the tiger is still there, the companys prize can still be attained. The cleaner got his position, likely reported it, and they finally went up there by gps. So, he needed to remove the prize lest the company got it, and his message was nothing but a spiteful slap in the face off the company, perhaps also hoping to cause a few responsible heads to roll. 'Nough said.
As for the final protest "what about just saving it for the sake of saving it?" Yes, what about that? Who cares? Eco-warriors? Dreamers? The last one got whacked. It damned near happened to Martin as well. So, what should he do now? catch the old bitch? what's her future, then? Do you think it likely that the company will not get their prize if her body reaches civilization? How about her dna? What would you save? how would you do it? Would you let the company get their prize in the end, after they killed off your last decent shot at having a family, and tried to kill you too?
Those are my answers for Bear.
As for your own, questions, busterboy, I guess I only need to answer for Sam Neills character. He was the companys local guy. The non-professional who just happened to live there, know people, have connections on both sides of the local conflict, and to be a man that could be bought. Red Leaf did so. And the fool spurred them on, first sight of Martin making him uneasy. His arc is about how nice it is to feel that you have power, and how badly suited some people are for that.
The major story arc (in my view) of this whole movie, is not about Tasmania at all. It is about humanity, and the divine comedy of our collective attempts to administer nature at its most vulnerable. Take the climate changes as a completely random example. If those are truly man-induced, I'd say we can only beg and pray that technological developments will provide some easy replacements for fossil fuel, some time awful soon. If left to making hard choices, humanity is going to hell in a handbag... Best of luck to all of us!
I'd say this movie was a 7 or an 8. I gave it a 7. As much as I like subtle, and respect gritty realism, I'm also more into stronger drama. So, while I liked this movie, I'm guessing it won't be one I will see again any time soon.
<em>3. He may not know it's the last one. No one could know that, obviously. But he has been searching for long enough to make an educated guess that any other survivors will likely not be found any time soon, and likely just aren't there. While the tiger is still there, the companys prize can still be attained. The cleaner got his position, likely reported it, and they finally went up there by gps. So, he needed to remove the prize lest the company got it, and his message was nothing but a spiteful slap in the face off the company, perhaps also hoping to cause a few responsible heads to roll. 'Nough said. </em>
Actually, in the exchange he has with Sam Neill's character not long before this, he quite explicitly spells out his position on this, and it's pretty obvious what's going to happen if he ever finds the silly thing. I can't remember the exact wording, but I'll paraphrase it as "as long as it's alive, they'll keep sending hunters after it." By killing the tiger, he shuts down the entire operation.
Yeah it didnt really make sense that just because hes "involved with the locals" they send another dude tocome kill him and take over. I was like really? REALLY?
My thoughts exactly - maybe it's supposed to be an allegory about humans and their fascination with extinction - that's the only explanation i have for it .. maybe if he did not kill it it would be romantic - dunno - it's called hunter and hunters kill - in the movie the grey - the hunter is hunted and i thought that would be the plot here - but i guess it kind of avoided the obvious, satisfying ending and went for a raw "authentic" angle
Overall I liked this movie (and the scenery was great). I didn't see as much muddle as the original poster.
The loner-to-nice-guy arc didn't seem unlikely to me. I've known plenty of real-life people who are chilly with strangers, but warm up after achieving some familiarity.
The Evil Ruthless Corporation is a bit over-the-top as the movie's villain, but this is a stock character in filmdom, even true stories like Erin Brockovich. I'm willing to accept that premise in a movie, unlikely as it may be.
I accepted the ending as something that would make sense in the hunter's mind, not as something I would do in the same situation. It made me think of animal activists' recent objections to talk of cloning a woolly mammoth. They say it would be cruel to bring an animal into a world where it is the only member of its species. Shooting it may make perfect sense to them.
As for Sam Neill's character, I have to agree with the original poster on this one. When the movie was over, I thought, where exactly did HE fit in?
i think the OP might want to watch the film again. the so called eco scientist who is found murdered (the father) was not so much a scientist as he was a hunter. he was sent to kill the tiger just like Martin but got too invested in the place and the trees and got killed because of it. pretty simple.