Why all the Elba hate?


First off I know this has been talked about a lot, but seriously.

Secondly I am a HUGE DT fan.

Idris Elba is PERFECT for Roland.
He is an amazing actor.

I don't understand why anyone would get angry over his casting.

Confused I get, even to be skeptical too. I just don't see any reason for all the hate.
At least wait and see some production photos or something so we can get a better idea of what kind of film they are making.

Thanks for reading.
PS: KA is a wheel ;)

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I'm a huge fan myself of the Dark Tower novels AND I'm a big fan of Idris Elba, because I think is a brilliant actor.
I don't want to think that all the hate is racism-generated. I think that most of the rage is because this casting speaks alone about the major changes that we surely gonna see in the movie.

The way I see it Clint Eastwood 40 years ago would be the best casting ever for this role.

Said that Idris Elba has all the talent and the instincts to play an AMAZING Roland.
As much as I am preoccupied about this movie (or maybe saga), I know that mr.Elba here will touch the right spots of the character.

Other than that I think this already tell us much about the rewriting of the story. It doesn't feel right to me knowing that the writers are gonna take liberties with the novels and Akiva Goldsman is the man I fear the most...


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He's getting hate because he's black. Pure and simple. It's racists trying to hide behind their idea of a pure adaptation of a fictional character.

Let's be bad guys.

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You haven't read the books. You don't realize how Roland being white plays a big role in the second book. No, wanting a fictional character to be portrayed accurately is not racist, you don't know the meaning of that word and you just use it as a weapon. You are very ignorant





I'm a Gunslinger. I deal in hard calibers.

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No, wanting a fictional character to be portrayed accurately is not racist


It is. If the only problem with the casting is the skin color, then that's the very essence of racist.

It's the same nonsense going on in the Preacher boards.

Let's be bad guys.

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wrong, racism stems from HATE. I don't hate Idris Elba, i think he's a great actor, But he's not right for the role, and yes it is because of the color of his skin. I also don't want a white guy cast as the Black Panther. Does that make me racist towards white people? NO. I also wouldn't want a women cast as Roland, does that make me sexist? NO.



I'm a Gunslinger. I deal in hard calibers.

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But he's not right for the role, and yes it is because of the color of his skin.


The very definition of racism. You don't have to hate someone to be racist. You just have to be prejudiced against their skin color. Which you've just freely admitted.


Let's be bad guys.

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My god you are ignorant, prejudice has to do with not liking someone because of there skin color and for no other logical reason.

I don't not like Elba. I just think he does not fit the character.

If King described Roland as having long blonde hair and they portrayed him with an actor who has short black hair and i protested does that mean im racist and prejudice against all people with short black hair



I'm a Gunslinger. I deal in hard calibers.

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prejudice has to do with not liking someone because of there skin color


Which you freely admitted. His skin color is all you have a problem with. Not his acting ability. Not even him personally. Just the color of his skin.

Look, I get it: no one wants to admit they're racist. But it's these types of castings that bring them out of the woodwork. Does make it easier to just laugh at them once they're out in the open.

If King described Roland as having long blonde hair and they portrayed him with an actor who has short black hair and i protested does that mean im racist and prejudice against all people with short black hair


We all know you wouldn't mind as long as the skin color wasn't too dark.

Let's be bad guys.

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Oh you're a troll

my bad kid, i thought we were having an actual conversation

grow up and learn how to not be a tool and then come back here.




I'm a Gunslinger. I deal in hard calibers.

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Sure, son. After you stop being a racist. Then maybe we can have a real conversation.

Let's be bad guys.

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The very definition of racism. You don't have to hate someone to be racist. You just have to be prejudiced against their skin color. Which you've just freely admitted.


You are retarded, it doesn't make you a racist if you want your favorite character to be accurate in the film.

Does it make the director/producer/casting agent/Stephen King racist for casting a black guy to play a white part??
(The answer is yes)

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No more opinions for you, Steve. You're not responsible enough.

Let's be bad guys.

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I've certainly read the books.

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Detta taking Roland to task over his melanin content occurs for perhaps twenty percent of the The Drawing of the Three and Susannah gets a little mouthy with him at the start of The Wastelands. That's it.

Other reasons for Detta being adversarial towards the gunslinger can exist. The plot is not going to get ripped apart because of Elba playing Deschain.

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The plot is not going to get ripped apart because of Elba playing Deschain


I never said it would.


I love your signature by the way. I know it's a quote from shakespeare, it is also quoted by Steve Martin in L.A. Story which is one of my favorite movies.





I'm a Gunslinger. I deal in hard calibers.

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Myself, I got it from another board user on another website a long time ago.

It is so very fitting when it comes to the world wide web.

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Why all the Elba hate?

It's really simple if you are a Dark Tower fan.

It would be like reading the book Roots and then have someone cast Ben Stiller in the role of Kunta Kinte.

It's changing probably the most revered character that Stephen King ever wrote for absolutely no reason.

It's the liberal director/ casting agent/ producer/ author giving a huge middle finger to all of the fans who have been reading the book series, and loving all of the characters over the past 20 years.

Basically there is absolutely no reason to make Roland black, it's won't improve the story at all, at the end of the 7th book he'll still start all over again.

I'm sure Stephen King will really care but I'm not wasting my time on these movies, I'll just keep the memories alive through the books (Like they were meant to be.)

So, why all the Elba hate? Simple, I never had anything against him before but that scumbag is going to ruin my favorite book series over some political protest then I hate him. Simple.

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steve_jussen, you called Roland's actor a "blackbird".

Eff off with your crappy attempt to appear egalitarian.

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It would be like reading the book Roots and then have someone cast Ben Stiller in the role of Kunta Kinte.
The Dark Tower is Fiction
Roots is Non-fiction.

If you cannot tell the difference, you are an idiot.

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Because Roland was written to be Clint Eastwood like. Which Elba just isn't. While Sony is the main company that makes diverse version of Annie just because they can. Which wind up sucking.
They're also involved with the new Ghostbusters which made them women for the hell of it and an unnecessary reboot of Jumanji starring the Rock and Kevin Hart.
I don't know. I think Sony should just write better roles for women and black actors.

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The problem with Sony is that they change how we're used to how a character was written. Then tells us we're sexist or racist if we don't like it. You can't just 20 yrs later say the Gunslinger is nothing like Clint Eastwood and is Elba or that the Ghostbusters are now women. If you don't like it...tough.
It's not that we don't like women or Elba. We just are tired of bad casting forced on us.

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or that the Ghostbusters are now women. If you don't like it...tough.
It's not that we don't like women


Actually, that's exactly what it is. There's no reason women can't be Ghostbusters.

Let's be bad guys.

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Personally, I have no hate for Elba, he's a good actor, and I'm sure he makes a great cowboy/gunslinger as he does have the eyes for it, but the problem is that this is the first ever (big screen) adaptation of the DT series, and for them to immediately deviate radically from the books is where the shoe pinches for me.

I was already disappointed that they decided to go for the movie format, rather than the much more suitable big budget cable TV format, and then this change just added to that.

It would be fine if this were done after a first to-the-letter adaptation, for then people would be familiar with the source material and its concepts, and you could perhaps claim that the black Roland is a parallel universe idea, but now to deviate from the get-go is just a rape of the source material as well as insulting to the fans.

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Will you be giving the film a fair shake, or have you sworn it off altogether?

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Hello nfiz, thanks for the thread.

I think the hate is being misunderstood. It's not so much a racial issue as it is a terrible miscasting of a character. Would Ben Affleck be a good choice for Ali? No, that wouldn't make sense.

As a person who has read the Dark Tower series twice over, I am more bummed than angry. We have been waiting for this to happen and most of us envisioned a Clint Eastwood type character. At least a Roland that looked something like Eastwood did in his old westerns. That is huge, being the main character. Changes a lot, because the story dictates race and racial interaction. It's part of the story!

How is the relationship between characters going to work, according to King's story? Is there a Detta Walker? Does she and Roland have the same racial interactions, as the original story? What else is compromised?

No hate, just disappointment.


Yes, ka is a wheel, but kaka isn't.

Jigger

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